Tribulation physics

[Jamin4422]

Please, show me the passage in the Bible that says there was sufficient knowledge of iron working that would enable them to build such a vessel in the GoE.

Why what is the problem? You just keep beating on it with a hammer.
There are lots of places in the world with large cauldrons made with primitive methods.

Some of the oldest mines are the tin mines in England. Brass is mostly cooper and tin.
The cauldrons were steal with a little brass mixed in.

 

[mzungu]

Why what is the problem? You just keep beating on it with a hammer.
There are lots of places in the world with large cauldrons made with primitive methods.

Not a vessel of that size. Besides it clearly states that it was molten and thus cast! Such a large cast would invariably cause the structure to crack unless extremely well controlled cooling was done to allow stresses to dissipate. Sorry but you may as well claim that they also built spaceships back then!

 

[Tiberius]

Why what is the problem? You just keep beating on it with a hammer.
There are lots of places in the world with large cauldrons made with primitive methods.

Uh, okay...

That explains nothing. How did they get such a large amount of iron? How did they form it into the vessel shape from the big lump of iron shape?

 

[dad]

Why what is the problem? You just keep beating on it with a hammer.
There are lots of places in the world with large cauldrons made with primitive methods.

Some of the oldest mines are the tin mines in England. Brass is mostly cooper and tin.
The cauldrons were steal with a little brass mixed in.

 

[Jamin4422]

Not a vessel of that size.

You and your strawman. Whatever, believe whatever you want.
Do whatever makes you happy. I do not have time to mess with this.

 

[dad]

Uh, okay...

That explains nothing. How did they get such a large amount of iron? How did they form it into the vessel shape from the big lump of iron shape?

 

[mzungu]

You and your strawman. Whatever, believe whatever you want.
Do whatever makes you happy. I do not have time to mess with this.

What! that tiny thing cannot compare to the Biblical structure. Try again!

 

[mzungu]

What do talking drums have to do with it

 

[dad]

You and your strawman. Whatever, believe whatever you want.
Do whatever makes you happy. I do not have time to mess with this.

 

[Tiberius]

I said fresh out of it.

Ge 4:22 -And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.

Ah. So Adam and Eve got kicked out of the Garden of Eden.

• Then they had Cain and Abel.
• Then Cain had Enoch.
• Enoch had Irad.
• Irad had Mehujael.
• Mehujael had Methusael.
• Methusael had Lamech.
• Lamech had Tubalcain (after several other children).

So that's seven generations after leaving the GoE. Hardly "fresh out of it," wouldn't you say?

 

[Tiberius]

Is this supposed to be some kind of response? Have you decided to try a new style of argument where you just post a silly picture and hope it somehow relates to the discussion?

 

[Jamin4422]

Uh, okay...

That explains nothing. How did they get such a large amount of iron?
How did they form it into the vessel shape from the big lump of iron shape?

I am glad you asked that question. Because they were FILLED with the Holy Spirit of God.

30 And Moses said to the children of Israel, “See, the Lord has called by name Bezalel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah; 31 and He has filled him with the Spirit of God, in wisdom and understanding, in knowledge and all manner of workmanship, 32 to design artistic works, to work in gold and silver and bronze, 33 in cutting jewels for setting, in carving wood, and to work in all manner of artistic workmanship.

34 “And He has put in his heart the ability to teach, in him and Aholiab the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan. 35 He has filled them with skill to do all manner of work of the engraver and the designer and the tapestry maker, in blue, purple, and scarlet thread, and fine linen, and of the weaver—those who do every work and those who design artistic works.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Acts 7:22[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Moses was educated in all the wisdom of the Egyptians and was powerful in speech and action.

What part of ALL the wisdom of the Egyptians do we have a problem with here?

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[Tiberius]

Ah, magic. Gotcha.

The old religionist standby. When there's no explanation, just say goddidit.

Never mind that your response says that God gave them the knowledge they needed to do it, which contradicts your earlier response of "They just got a lump of iron and hit it with a hammer" (which also contradicts what the Bible itself says about the whole thing...)

 

[mzungu]

I am glad you asked that question. Because they were FILLED with the Holy Spirit of God.

30 And Moses said to the children of Israel, “See, the Lord has called by name Bezalel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah; 31 and He has filled him with the Spirit of God, in wisdom and understanding, in knowledge and all manner of workmanship, 32 to design artistic works, to work in gold and silver and bronze, 33 in cutting jewels for setting, in carving wood, and to work in all manner of artistic workmanship.

34 “And He has put in his heart the ability to teach, in him and Aholiab the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan. 35 He has filled them with skill to do all manner of work of the engraver and the designer and the tapestry maker, in blue, purple, and scarlet thread, and fine linen, and of the weaver—those who do every work and those who design artistic works.

But not of the Metallurgist!
"If it aint in writing it aint valid"

 

[dad]

Ah. So Adam and Eve got kicked out of the Garden of Eden.

• Then they had Cain and Abel.
• Then Cain had Enoch.
• Enoch had Irad.
• Irad had Mehujael.
• Mehujael had Methusael.
• Methusael had Lamech.
• Lamech had Tubalcain (after several other children).

So that's seven generations after leaving the GoE. Hardly "fresh out of it," wouldn't you say?

Took a while to get someone to reach the level of artificer. Stilll if people had kids say every 30 years or so that would be what..a few hundred years till they had an instructor. Fairly fresh after the garden, since Adam was still there and would be for over 600 years still!

Hint: once pwned, don't try to save face..it just gets rubbed in.

 

[dad]

Is this supposed to be some kind of response? Have you decided to try a new style of argument where you just post a silly picture and hope it somehow relates to the discussion?

Hey a big hammer can pound stuff.

 

[Jamin4422]

But not of the Metallurgist!
"If it aint in writing it aint valid"

What part of the word "ALL" do you have a problem with?

"to work in all manner of artistic workmanship."

All of that stuff has awesome spiritual and symbolic meaning. Real Bible students love to get in there to figure out the lesson God has for them in all of this. People who have a real desire to seek and know the truth. This is the hidden wisdom and knowledge of God. But your not even interested in the stuff that is not hidden. That is out in the open for everyone to see. That is your choice. I just hope your happy with the choices that you make in life.

For me I love to study God and the things of God and it does not matter to me if it is hidden from you. Or if you have no desire to seek after and search these things out.

 

[dad]

What part of the word "ALL" do you have a problem with?

"to work in all manner of artistic workmanship."

All of that stuff has awesome spiritual and symbolic meaning. Real Bible students love to get in there to figure out the lesson God has for them in all of this. People who have a real desire to seek and know the truth. This is the hidden wisdom and knowledge of God. But your not even interested in the stuff that is not hidden. That is out in the open for everyone to see. That is your choice. I just hope your happy with the choices that you make in life.

For me I love to study God and the things of God and it does not matter to me if it is hidden from you. Or if you have no desire to seek after and search these things out.

 

[mzungu]

What part of the word "ALL" do you have a problem with?

"to work in all manner of artistic workmanship."

All of that stuff has awesome spiritual and symbolic meaning. Real Bible students love to get in there to figure out the lesson God has for them in all of this. People who have a real desire to seek and know the truth. This is the hidden wisdom and knowledge of God. But your not even interested in the stuff that is not hidden. That is out in the open for everyone to see. That is your choice. I just hope your happy with the choices that you make in life.

For me I love to study God and the things of God and it does not matter to me if it is hidden from you. Or if you have no desire to seek after and search these things out.

So they had computer programing knowledge back then too I bet they even had Gene splicing techniques too!

 

[mzungu]

Actually Genesis was not written in English.

No But the KJV1611 was and according to most American creationists, the KJV is the only Bible accepted. In fact it has been said that even if the KJV differs from the original Greek and Hebrew texts then the KJV is the correct text. Many creationists in America believe Adam and Jesus spoke English!

So I guess you are wrong and Genesis was written in English!