Transexuality

[TheFathersDaughter]

This seemed like the best place to put this thread but if people disagree then I'll have it move.

Onto the subject, this isn't about the difference between homosexuality and transexuality. They're two completely separate fields. I'd like to find out what people think about it.

I, personally, don't think this is God-sent. Homosexuality is a characteristic, something that is what you are. You don't have to change yourself or think you need to change to be homosexual. But transexuality is different. You're question the way God made you and by saying "I was meant to be a girl" when you're clearly a guy, you're telling God "God, you made a mistake when you made me this way." Obviously, God doesn't make mistakes.

 

[naotmaa]

This seemed like the best place to put this thread but if people disagree then I'll have it move.

Onto the subject, this isn't about the difference between homosexuality and transexuality. They're two completely separate fields. I'd like to find out what people think about it.

I, personally, don't think this is God-sent. Homosexuality is a characteristic, something that is what you are. You don't have to change yourself or think you need to change to be homosexual. But transexuality is different. You're question the way God made you and by saying "I was meant to be a girl" when you're clearly a guy, you're telling God "God, you made a mistake when you made me this way." Obviously, God doesn't make mistakes.

I don't know a great deal about transexuality but I don't have an issue with it. If someone truly feels that they are the wrong gender then I don't have an issue with them changing..as long as it makes them truly happy and be able to live their life more fulfilled.

 

[HaloHope]

I, personally, don't think this is God-sent. Homosexuality is a characteristic, something that is what you are. You don't have to change yourself or think you need to change to be homosexual. But transexuality is different. You're question the way God made you and by saying "I was meant to be a girl" when you're clearly a guy, you're telling God "God, you made a mistake when you made me this way." Obviously, God doesn't make mistakes.

Interesting take. One that certainly crossed my mind when I lost my faith in my mid-teens when everyone was telling me I couldnt be transexual and Christian and I believed them. Fortunately I got over that and eventually got my faith back, but thats another story.

I personally believe gender is completely irrelevant to anything other than a persons state of mind. I don't have any scientific evidence to back this up, I dont have any Bible verses to back this up I am going entirely on my life experiences of someone who knows amny transexuals and is transexual themselves (although I consider that in the past now).

I personally dont think "god sent" homosexuality anymore than he sent any psychological issue or birth defect, however I certainly dont believe that my transexuality was a choice. I waas born to all intents and purposes male, but rom a young age (as early as age 4-5) wanted to be a girl. Now obviously at a young age I didnt think "hey Im transexual" because I was only small, its only looking back I realize such things. It only really dawned on me when I hit my first puberty (being transexual ive kinda had two) and started to mutilate my body as it was the only way I could cope with how horrific it seemed to me. Wanting to physically tear out the lower half of your body as it felt like it was like a part of another person growing on you isnt an experience I would wish on my worst enemy, and its something that continued till I was old enough to get treatment. No amount of ignoring it, counselling or asking fellow "Christians" for support on the matter could change the fact my whole body made my skin crawl.

I self harmed a great deal around the 15-16 mark and at 17 a year before being old enough to qualify for treatment in the UK I attempted suicide by taking an overdose. All this was made slightly worse by the fact my faith took a major battering from the fact I couldnt tell if how I felt was immoral. At times I felt that it would just be better for me to die as if I did what I so badly wanted to do and had a gender change I would be doing something inherantly wrong. In the end I chose to live, abandoned my faith at the time (which I later regained) and went on with the treatment.

Fortunately I firmly believe I did what was best for me, following a rather gruelling and lenghty procedure I no longer want to kill myself, I felt comfortable in my own body, I could look in the mirror without wanting to carve chunks out of myself and pulled myself together.

I rebuilt my life (after shutting myself away for years), I still remember the first time that I was walking down the street and somebody called me miss. It was a homeless guy selling magazines (as they do in the UK) and I proceded to give him a huge hug and buy a big chunk of them as I coudlnt express my happiness and gratitude and being the person I needed to both be for myself and be percived as too.

I eventually got a job, stopped being scared of people, developed a sexuality and got into a relationship. Nobody who knows of me now sees anything other than the person I am and always was inside even in the worst possible times.

I personally think transexuality is a terrible thing to go through. However with treatment to change the physical body to match the mind it can all turn out well in the end. Ive regained my faith, have an identity I like and know that God loves me. Im about to be used for a case study of just how amazingly succesful treatment for transexual people can be, and I am always willing to help other people get through it so they can be themselves.

Anyway Ive wrote way to much there and Id be delighted to hear what people think, even the percentage out there who are sure to tihnk im some kind of sick freak

 

[MercyBurst]

The APA removed Gender Identity Disorder from the DSM.

This seemed like the best place to put this thread but if people disagree then I'll have it move.

Onto the subject, this isn't about the difference between homosexuality and transexuality. They're two completely separate fields. I'd like to find out what people think about it.

I, personally, don't think this is God-sent. Homosexuality is a characteristic, something that is what you are. You don't have to change yourself or think you need to change to be homosexual. But transexuality is different. You're question the way God made you and by saying "I was meant to be a girl" when you're clearly a guy, you're telling God "God, you made a mistake when you made me this way." Obviously, God doesn't make mistakes.

 

[MercyBurst]

Interesting take. One that certainly crossed my mind when I lost my faith in my mid-teens when everyone was telling me I couldnt be transexual and Christian and I believed them. Fortunately I got over that and eventually got my faith back, but thats another story.

I personally believe gender is completely irrelevant to anything other than a persons state of mind. I don't have any scientific evidence to back this up, I dont have any Bible verses to back this up I am going entirely on my life experiences of someone who knows amny transexuals and is transexual themselves (although I consider that in the past now).

I personally dont think "god sent" homosexuality anymore than he sent any psychological issue or birth defect, however I certainly dont believe that my transexuality was a choice. I waas born to all intents and purposes male, but rom a young age (as early as age 4-5) wanted to be a girl. Now obviously at a young age I didnt think "hey Im transexual" because I was only small, its only looking back I realize such things. It only really dawned on me when I hit my first puberty (being transexual ive kinda had two) and started to mutilate my body as it was the only way I could cope with how horrific it seemed to me. Wanting to physically tear out the lower half of your body as it felt like it was like a part of another person growing on you isnt an experience I would wish on my worst enemy, and its something that continued till I was old enough to get treatment. No amount of ignoring it, counselling or asking fellow "Christians" for support on the matter could change the fact my whole body made my skin crawl.

I self harmed a great deal around the 15-16 mark and at 17 a year before being old enough to qualify for treatment in the UK I attempted suicide by taking an overdose. All this was made slightly worse by the fact my faith took a major battering from the fact I couldnt tell if how I felt was immoral. At times I felt that it would just be better for me to die as if I did what I so badly wanted to do and had a gender change I would be doing something inherantly wrong. In the end I chose to live, abandoned my faith at the time (which I later regained) and went on with the treatment.

Fortunately I firmly believe I did what was best for me, following a rather gruelling and lenghty procedure I no longer want to kill myself, I felt comfortable in my own body, I could look in the mirror without wanting to carve chunks out of myself and pulled myself together.

I rebuilt my life (after shutting myself away for years), I still remember the first time that I was walking down the street and somebody called me miss. It was a homeless guy selling magazines (as they do in the UK) and I proceded to give him a huge hug and buy a big chunk of them as I coudlnt express my happiness and gratitude and being the person I needed to both be for myself and be percived as too.

I eventually got a job, stopped being scared of people, developed a sexuality and got into a relationship. Nobody who knows of me now sees anything other than the person I am and always was inside even in the worst possible times.

I personally think transexuality is a terrible thing to go through. However with treatment to change the physical body to match the mind it can all turn out well in the end. Ive regained my faith, have an identity I like and know that God loves me. Im about to be used for a case study of just how amazingly succesful treatment for transexual people can be, and I am always willing to help other people get through it so they can be themselves.

Anyway Ive wrote way to much there and Id be delighted to hear what people think, even the percentage out there who are sure to tihnk im some kind of sick freak

I don't understand your situation, and there is no way I can understand it. I'm sure God understands it though.

You are who and what you are and there is no going back. You have to take your life from this day forward.

Your situation is beyond me. Anybody can have a relationship with God, and transgenders are no exception.

I've heard about support groups for Christian transgenders. I can only recommend that you be a part of one whether in leadership or for your own personal support.

 

[MercyBurst]

Interesting take. One that certainly crossed my mind when I lost my faith in my mid-teens when everyone was telling me I couldnt be transexual and Christian and I believed them. Fortunately I got over that and eventually got my faith back, but thats another story.

I personally dont think "god sent" homosexuality anymore than he sent any psychological issue or birth defect.

Calling all DJYs and Pirates. Where's your 20? Come in please.

The APA removed Gender Identity Disorder from your sacred text, the DSM.

 

[Mickey1953]

I wanted to thank HaloHope for posting.
I have not walked in shoes such as she has...
but, I appreciate your sharing...

Mickey

 

[Zaac]

This seemed like the best place to put this thread but if people disagree then I'll have it move.

Onto the subject, this isn't about the difference between homosexuality and transexuality. They're two completely separate fields. I'd like to find out what people think about it.

I, personally, don't think this is God-sent. Homosexuality is a characteristic, something that is what you are. You don't have to change yourself or think you need to change to be homosexual. But transexuality is different. You're question the way God made you and by saying "I was meant to be a girl" when you're clearly a guy, you're telling God "God, you made a mistake when you made me this way." Obviously, God doesn't make mistakes.

Why can't the transexuals give the same defense that the homosexuals give?

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Why can't the transexuals give the same defense that the homosexuals give?

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No.

Because unlike homosexuality which is a characteristic, transexuality is a lifestyle, since your gender or your interpretation of your gender greatly affects how you live. Sexuality, not so much.

 

[LunarPlexus]

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No.

Because unlike homosexuality which is a characteristic, transexuality is a lifestyle, since your gender or your interpretation of your gender greatly affects how you live. Sexuality, not so much.

Hello there!

Ok, before I get into this I have a couple of questions:

You believe that homosexuality is not a choice as I understand, but do you believe that god actually MAKES us homosexual?

Do you believe that people choose to be transgendered?

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Hello there!

Ok, before I get into this I have a couple of questions:

You believe that homosexuality is not a choice as I understand, but do you believe that god actually MAKES us homosexual?

Do you believe that people choose to be transgendered?

Creates no, but that's because I don't believe we're born with sexuality, any sexuality. But God does plan it.

I believe people may be born transgendered but it's because of an off-key mentality. If that isn't the case, it is a choice. God wouldn't create someone purposely wrong.

 

[HaloHope]

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No.

Because unlike homosexuality which is a characteristic, transexuality is a lifestyle, since your gender or your interpretation of your gender greatly affects how you live. Sexuality, not so much.

Every transexual out there lives a very different lifestyle though.. I mean the only thing all transexual people have in common is going through a period of transition. Once thats done most of us kinda move away from the fact it even happened and get on with our lives like normal people. Just a hell of a lot happier about who we are as we have been treated succesfully.

 

[HaloHope]

Creates no, but that's because I don't believe we're born with sexuality, any sexuality. But God does plan it.

I believe people may be born transgendered but it's because of an off-key mentality. If that isn't the case, it is a choice. God wouldn't create someone purposely wrong.

I personally (there are various views on this) believe that transexuality is caused by something going wrong in development in the womb. It leaves the person with a male/female brain but with the wrong body to match that. Under current procedures the only way of medically helping that person is to chnge the body. Of course its a choice to change the body, but when its a choice between having a gender change and death from manic depression and self harm I think most people would choose the change.

God does not make people transexual im sure. However I dont think God gives people club foot or cystic fibrosis or anything else people are born with too. Yet we treat those. Why shouldnt we treat transexuality in the way we do too?

 

[Zaac]

Creates no, but that's because I don't believe we're born with sexuality, any sexuality. But God does plan it.

I believe people may be born transgendered but it's because of an off-key mentality. If that isn't the case, it is a choice. God wouldn't create someone purposely wrong.

But STill, why can't the same thing be said about homosexuality?

 

[Ohioprof]

But STill, why can't the same thing be said about homosexuality?

I don't think we should label either one as wrong. I think people just are who they are, and we should accept both transgender and gay people as they are.

 

[Mling]

I say the same thing every time this topic comes up, and I will continue to do so. If you've heard my spiel before, feel free to skip this post.

One of my best friends had a younger "brother," who came out as transsexual during high-school. Maybe a year later she began hormones and has now had sex reassignment surgery. Having seen what she went through, I am 100% certain that transitioning saved her life. Had she not been given the opportunity to address what she felt was wrong in her life, and fix it the way that made the most sense to her, she would have either committed suicide deliberately, or started taking more and more reckless risks until one killed her.
I am certain that her body is covered in the scars from that period, which was not the usual sort of cutting. She was not turning emotional pain to physical, or using physical pain as something to focus on. She was expressing violent hatred for her body--slashing herself to ribbons and carving derogatory words into her flesh.
At one point, her mother told my sister that she went to bed every night wondering if her child was going to commit suicide before morning.


It is very easy to sit in front of a computer and think "This is right," or "that is wrong" and find reasons to back it up. But, down in the real world, real people are at very serious risk, and in unimaginable pain.

I did not, for a moment, stop to consider the abstract notions of morality in my support for her. It would be obscene to do so. She is my friend, and I want her alive.
Anything else can wait until that concern is off the table.

 

[OllieFranz]

Whoa! Powerful story. You are truly a good friend. My prayers are with you and with your friend.

 

[HaloHope]

I say the same thing every time this topic comes up, and I will continue to do so. If you've heard my spiel before, feel free to skip this post.

One of my best friends had a younger "brother," who came out as transsexual during high-school. Maybe a year later she began hormones and has now had sex reassignment surgery. Having seen what she went through, I am 100% certain that transitioning saved her life. Had she not been given the opportunity to address what she felt was wrong in her life, and fix it the way that made the most sense to her, she would have either committed suicide deliberately, or started taking more and more reckless risks until one killed her.
I am certain that her body is covered in the scars from that period, which was not the usual sort of cutting. She was not turning emotional pain to physical, or using physical pain as something to focus on. She was expressing violent hatred for her body--slashing herself to ribbons and carving derogatory words into her flesh.
At one point, her mother told my sister that she went to bed every night wondering if her child was going to commit suicide before morning.


It is very easy to sit in front of a computer and think "This is right," or "that is wrong" and find reasons to back it up. But, down in the real world, real people are at very serious risk, and in unimaginable pain.

I did not, for a moment, stop to consider the abstract notions of morality in my support for her. It would be obscene to do so. She is my friend, and I want her alive.
Anything else can wait until that concern is off the table.

Thanks for sharing again Mling. When a person feels like the skin they are in isnt there own it is nessecery to do something about that before the person takes their own life. It is a feeling so unpleasent that plenty of people would kill themselves in order to escape it, fortunately hormones and SRS can change this.

 

[*Starlight*]

This seemed like the best place to put this thread but if people disagree then I'll have it move.

Onto the subject, this isn't about the difference between homosexuality and transexuality. They're two completely separate fields. I'd like to find out what people think about it.

I, personally, don't think this is God-sent. Homosexuality is a characteristic, something that is what you are. You don't have to change yourself or think you need to change to be homosexual. But transexuality is different. You're question the way God made you and by saying "I was meant to be a girl" when you're clearly a guy, you're telling God "God, you made a mistake when you made me this way." Obviously, God doesn't make mistakes.

Transsexuality is a recognized medical condition, and a gender reassignment therapy is the only working treatment for it.

 

[LunarPlexus]

Creates no, but that's because I don't believe we're born with sexuality, any sexuality. But God does plan it.

I believe people may be born transgendered but it's because of an off-key mentality. If that isn't the case, it is a choice. God wouldn't create someone purposely wrong.

We are born with a sexuality, but we are also born with a gender.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't say we are born with our social gender roles, but the minds of men and women do have some differences. I wouldn't say that god is involved, but is it not possible that this is just a matter of the brain developing in a different direction, as our sexuality has?