Transcript of Kirk's killer's messages has been revealed

[Yarddog]

That doesn't mean he wasnt a liberal. He changed. And according to friends, family, the bullets, texts, notes etc. ALL prove it.

Please provide your evidence. His friend, in one of the OP's link, says that Robinson was a Trump fan. The bullets show nothing liberal. Most liberals want gun control with many far left eliminating many.

He was radicalized by the left. He was a leftist. Quit living in denial. How much evidence do you need? Id like to know.

I don't live in denial. I live by facts.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

What is liberal about trans ideology? Don't you know that there are LGBTQ Republicans?

Trump is tapping members of the LGBT community for top spots in his administration — despite Dem hysteria

It’s Queer Eye for the White House guy.

nypost.com

Gays for Trump Why We Stand with the President

Gays for Trump: Why We Stand with the President #GoRightNews Shared by Peter Boykin Founder of Gays For Trump American Political Commentator / Citizen

gaysfortrump.org

Hey, and don't forget, Trump regularly plays the gay anthem "YMCA" at his rallys.

Bruh, look at you. Can't you see you are grasping at straws like the scarecrow after the flying monkeys tore him apart? The guy was obviously a hard leftist. The best explanation is that he felt that way for a very long time and kept it hidden by his highly conservative family to avoid the arguments. Furthermore, if you truly believe what liberals say, he knew he was gay for a very long time but was too afraid to come out of the closet. Because people dont just become gay at first sight. Then he spent one semester in college, got connected with some radical leftist that made him feel accepted, and found the courage to become more open with his sexuality and fell in love with another man who thinks is a woman.

My point is that it is far more reasonable and likely that he was a closet hard leftist for years and was hiding it from his parents than a MAGA conservative turning radically gay, embracing trans ideology, disposing his parents for being Trump supporters, and assassinating a predominant conservative political influencer. If you are intellectually honest, you would know this is true. Otherwise, this is just denial.

 

[Servus]

What is liberal about trans ideology? Don't you know that there are LGBTQ Republicans?

Trump is tapping members of the LGBT community for top spots in his administration — despite Dem hysteria

It’s Queer Eye for the White House guy.

nypost.com

Gays for Trump Why We Stand with the President

Gays for Trump: Why We Stand with the President #GoRightNews Shared by Peter Boykin Founder of Gays For Trump American Political Commentator / Citizen

gaysfortrump.org

Hey, and don't forget, Trump regularly plays the gay anthem "YMCA" at his rallys.

His trans lover is about 10% of all the indicators. His friends and parents saying he became left-leaning and a lot of stuff he said and wrote that's left-leaning is the other 90%. Now go ahead and say something like "there are right-winger Groypers who are described as left-leaning by those who know them best".

 

[Yarddog]

Bruh, look at you. Can't you see you are grasping at straws like the scarecrow after the flying monkeys tore him apart? The guy was obviously a hard leftist.

There is nothing, yet, that shows that he is a any more than leaning left, as his mother said. You guys are showing your prejudicial beliefs. The only thing that you have is he fell in love with a person transitioning into a woman.

The best explanation is that he felt that way for a very long time and kept it hidden by his highly conservative family to avoid the arguments.

You have no evidence to support that claim.

Furthermore, if you truly believe what liberals say, he knew he was gay for a very long time but was too afraid to come out of the closet.

Just what makes him gay? True, the roommate is still legally a man but we don't know if sex had anything to do with it. He clearly approves of the guy transitioning into a woman, so after the process was finished, they would have legally been a male and female.

 

[Yarddog]

His trans lover is about 10% of all the indicators. His friends and parents saying he became left-leaning and a lot of stuff he said and wrote that's left-leaning is the other 90%.

Left leaning is not far left, as many are claiming. It means one is a moderate. He is not a registered Democrat, he is registered as independent, which means he can support both Dems, Republicans, Libertarians, etc..

Now go ahead and say something like "there are right-winger Groypers who are described as left-leaning by those who know them best".

What is a Groyper?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

This is just the tip of the iceberg. He probably has a ton of material he's posted online and a search history that will tell everyting about him. Plus stuff he's said and texted to family and friends. And there's not likely to be any surprises like it turns out he's a "Groyper" etc.

I think the Groyper theory was always highly unlikely on this one, and I think that may have been a little bit of "wishful" thinking on the part of some progressives.

I didn't 100% rule it out when the theory was initially floated, like everyone else, I was waiting for more info to come in and anything's possible... but I think deep down everyone knew the chances were slim and none for it being one of Fuentes's guys.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Please provide your evidence. His friend, in one of the OP's link, says that Robinson was a Trump fan.

The NBC article notes from my OP notes:

Charlie Kirk murder suspect offered his roommate a confession and an explanation, officials say

“I had enough of his hatred,” Tyler Robinson texted his roommate, according to a charging document. “Some hate can’t be negotiated out.”

www.nbcnews.com

Robinson was raised in a conservative family, and his mother told investigators that over the previous year her son “had started to lean more to the left — become more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented,” the court papers said.

Robinson allegedly texted his roommate that he and his dad were on different political pages, adding that “since Trump got into office [my dad] has been pretty diehard maga.”

 

[Servus]

I think the Groyper theory was always highly unlikely on this one, and I think that may have been a little bit of "wishful" thinking on the part of some progressives.

I didn't 100% rule it out when the theory was initially floated, like everyone else, I was waiting for more info to come in and anything's possible... but I think deep down everyone knew the chances were slim and none for it being one of Fuentes's guys.

It's a real mess. On top of a brutal horrifying assassination, are all of the shameful reactions to it online. And starting fights at vigils. Vandalizing memorials. And also this "he was one of your guys" routine. Claiming the assignation was staged. Claiming Charlie Kirk's corpse in his coffin was a wax dummy. And on and on. Talk about taking a bad situation and making it worse. Unbelievable. And from the group that brags about how much empathy and compassion they have. Figuratively speaking, they just might need to hold a funeral of their own for the death of the Democrat party which was already on life support. If they have any political survival instinct at all, which seems doubtful at this point, they'll finally keep quiet and lay low for a stretch and let people mourn in peace.

 

[Servus]

The NBC article notes from my OP notes:

Charlie Kirk murder suspect offered his roommate a confession and an explanation, officials say

“I had enough of his hatred,” Tyler Robinson texted his roommate, according to a charging document. “Some hate can’t be negotiated out.”

www.nbcnews.com

Robinson was raised in a conservative family, and his mother told investigators that over the previous year her son “had started to lean more to the left — become more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented,” the court papers said.

Robinson allegedly texted his roommate that he and his dad were on different political pages, adding that “since Trump got into office [my dad] has been pretty diehard maga.”

Pointing out that he was raised in a conservative family, is like pointing out that a die-hard atheist like Richard Dawkins was raised in a Christian family.

 

[Yarddog]

The NBC article notes from my OP notes:

Charlie Kirk murder suspect offered his roommate a confession and an explanation, officials say

“I had enough of his hatred,” Tyler Robinson texted his roommate, according to a charging document. “Some hate can’t be negotiated out.”

www.nbcnews.com

Robinson was raised in a conservative family, and his mother told investigators that over the previous year her son “had started to lean more to the left — become more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented,” the court papers said.

Robinson allegedly texted his roommate that he and his dad were on different political pages, adding that “since Trump got into office [my dad] has been pretty diehard maga.”

Yes, I read that but what is the point? Being that he became pro gay does not make him a liberal. Trump supported George Santos, does that make him a liberal? He plays the gay anthem at all of his rallys. Does that make him a liberal?

Left leaning does not make him a far left liberal. It makes him a moderate.

 

[tampasteve]

It makes him a moderate.

Moderates don't assassinate people. It is OK to admit that you were wrong.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Yes, I read that but what is the point? Being that he became pro gay does not make him a liberal. Trump supported George Santos, does that make him a liberal? He plays the gay anthem at all of his rallys. Does that make him a liberal?

Left leaning does not make him a far left liberal. It makes him a moderate.

Being so trans-rights oriented that he would be willing to shoot a guy for speaking against it doesn't sound terribly moderate to me.

Hyper-fixation on a single issue (to the point where one would take extreme action against someone else, despite agreeing with the other person bunch of other things) isn't typically a hallmark of a moderate either.


It's also worth noting that conversations gay rights and trans rights (in terms of advocacy efforts) are two very different things.

Trump being a fan of the Village People is very different than trans-rights advocacy.


With the latter, there seems to be a higher propensity for people to want that to be the central focal point of their entire identity, and their whole world seems to revolve around that.

As where, someone liking a song made by a gay person is actually a deprioritizing that aspect, because they're seeing the person as a musician first and foremost.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Left leaning does not make him a far left liberal. It makes him a moderate.

I think a clearer way of expressing this is that moving to the left of a conservative position on a single issue does not necessarily make someone a liberal (let alone a "far-left" one).

The overall impression that I get from his posts (which, to be fair, don't necessarily paint a full picture, both because people don't always say all of their thoughts online, and because his entire chat history wasn't in the indictment) is that he wasn't a particularly political person. He cared about the treatment of trans people and the incendiary rhetoric that people like Kirk spread about them because his girlfriend was trans, but that seems to have been a fairly recent development.

Moderates don't assassinate people.

And you know this because...?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Being so trans-rights oriented that he would be willing to shoot a guy for speaking against it doesn't sound terribly moderate to me.

On the moderate-radical scale, that would indeed make someone a radical. But politically speaking, that single issue isn't enough to categorize someone as "left" or "right," which is what I think the person you're responding to meant by "moderate," based on context.

 

[tampasteve]

And you know this because...?

Because I have common sense?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Because I have common sense?

Every assassin fits neatly into "left" or "right" ideology? I'm gonna need some receipts on that.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

And you know this because...?

Speaking as a moderate (obviously I can't speak of the entire group)

I feel that we're less likely to be hyper-fixated on a single issue, or have such a strong opinion on "one issue among many" that it would foster that kind of radicalization.


I would be interested to know more about what was in Discord chats that the Washington Post reported on
it emerged that Robinson said in a group chat on Discord before his arrest: “Hey guys, I have bad news for you all. It was me at UVU yesterday,” The Washington Post first reported.

...because Discord was quick to engage in some "house cleaning" with his account and issue a swift "we didn't find anything" sort of statement, and it turns out, he confessed to it hours before he was actually taken into custody. Certainly they have to know what other groups he was in.

 

[durangodawood]

Moderates don't assassinate people. It is OK to admit that you were wrong.

I believe there were some assassination attempts on Hitler by people who were much more moderate.

And I think theres similar instances in history when extremists or tyrants get into power.

(Is it OK to admit that you were wrong?)

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Speaking as a moderate (obviously I can't speak of the entire group)

I feel that we're less likely to be hyper-fixated on a single issue, or have such a strong opinion on "one issue among many" that it would foster that kind of radicalization.

I would agree with that characterization, but "less likely" doesn't mean "impossible".

 

[ThatRobGuy]

On the moderate-radical scale, that would indeed make someone a radical. But politically speaking, that single issue isn't enough to categorize someone as "left" or "right," which is what I think the person you're responding to meant by "moderate," based on context.

But with that issue in particular (specifically, the advocacy surrounding it), if he was hanging around in those types of advocacy circles online or elsewhere, typically they don't leave a lot of wiggle room for being conservative on other issues. They tend to be on-board with most of the other left-leaning positions as well.

If you were to go to a trans-advocacy event/rally, would you expect to encounter many people who pro-life, pro-fossil fuels, against universal healthcare, against raising minimum wage, against BLM, etc? Or would holding any of those conservative positions pretty much get you shunned?