Traditional Anglican Communion Seeks Full Union With Rome

[a_ntv]

Albion, SpiritualAntiseptic,

Any of you is part of TAC?

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Albion, SpiritualAntiseptic,

Any of you is part of TAC?

No, I'm Catholic. But I am *very* familiar with Anglican-use.

 

[Albion]

Albion, SpiritualAntiseptic,

Any of you is part of TAC?

No, but I am an Anglican and very familiar with Anglican Use.

 

[Albion]

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe the Vatican will do away with the Anglican-use Mass. You have proved no evidence or any reason to believe this.

Right. All I have on my side is what the Vatican's position is.

And you have...what?

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Right. All I have on my side is what the Vatican's position is.

And you have...what?

You do not have on your side what the Vatican's position is. Where did you quote the Vatican? All you did was given your opinion, which was that the Vatican would phase out Anglican-use over time.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

No, but I am an Anglican and very familiar with Anglican Use.

Have you ever been to an Anglican use Catholic parish?

 

[Rhamiel]

Albion

t should also be noted that it is the "use" that is the only thing that amounts to being even partially "Anglican." All the doctrines that are official and expected of members are of course Roman Catholic. There is no equivocation on such matters as Purgatory, the Assumption of Mary, the Infallibility of the Pope, Transubstantiation, Indulgences, etc.

of course, they want to be in communion with Rome, they want to be Catholic, this is what the Church believes, historicly this is what the CHurch in England believed before schism removed most of the english from the visible Church
I would really like to see an Anglican Rite, I think it would be a great thing and make is simpler for more anglicans to join the Church

 

[Albion]

Albion
of course, they want to be in communion with Rome, they want to be Catholic, this is what the Church believes

Certainly. If one joins the RCC, as TAC appears to be asking permission to do, it follows that he accepts all that she teaches.

The problem is that some Anglicans and some Catholics appear to be under the impression that there is some middle ground being negotiated and/or that Anglican Use is not what it is but something more flexible.

 

[Rhamiel]

No middle ground,
This is what the Church teaches, you might be able to keep your traditions of style of litergy but you will adopt all the Traditions and Dogmas of the Church,
Since the Catholic Church does not recognize the ordnation of the anglican priests would they all have to be ordained to be priests in the Catholic Church? I would hope so

 

[Albion]

you might be able to keep your traditions of style of litergy but you will adopt all the Traditions and Dogmas of the Church,

No, this is to fall into the mindset I was speaking about. There is no proposal on the table, no negotiations, nothing asking for keeping anything (except, possibly, a Pastoral Provision for the TAC clergy). Even if the Anglican Use route were offered to these people, it would not amount to keeping Anglican styles of liturgy.

Since the Catholic Churcgyh does not recognize the ordination of the anglican priests would they all have to be ordained to be priests in the Catholic Church? I would hope so

Probably they would all be allowed to come in under the Pastoral Provision which allows married men to be priests, but requires re-ordination.

 

[IgnatiusOfAntioch]

PORTSMOUTH, UK: Traditional Anglican Communion Seeks Full Union With Rome

Statement authorized by the TAC Primate

16th October 2007

"The College of Bishops of the Traditional Anglican Communion (TAC) met in Plenary Session in Portsmouth, England, in the first week of October 2007. The Bishops and Vicars-General unanimously agreed to the text of a letter to the See of Rome seeking full, corporate, sacramental union. The letter was signed solemnly by all the College and en-trusted to the Primate and two bishops chosen by the College to be presented to the Holy See.

The letter was cordially received at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The Primate of the TAC has agreed that no member of the College will give interviews until the Holy See has considered the letter and responded."

+ John Hepworth
Primate TAC

This is absolutely wonderful news. I look forward to soon attending the TAC Mass.

 

[Secundulus]

From the Catholic Herald, UK today.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/news_1.html

. . . Fr Peter Geldard, Catholic chaplain at the University of Kent and a former Anglican priest, has been consulted on the subject by both the TAC and the Vatican.
He spoke several times with Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger who he said was very concerned about how to resolve the situation.
“[Benedict XVI] is very knowledgeable on this whole area and has taken it very seriously,” he said.
Fr Geldard stressed that the arrangement to preserve some of the TAC’s Anglican identity should be made so that it can be applied to other rebel groups, as well as potential converts from the official Anglican Communion.
Fr Geldard also raised the possibility that the Vatican might appoint a Rome-based prelature with authority over the group around the world.

Also, see the editorial: http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/features_opinion/features_4.html

 

[a_ntv]

Please take note that in Rome the 23-24 of November there will be a concistory, that is a meeting between the pope and the cardinals, like a senate.
We are interested in the matter that will be discussed at close doors between the pope and the cardinals the days before the final ceremony (the one when new cardinals are created).

The matter of this session is the 'ecumenism', and it will be possibly the moment when the pope will discuss and debate with the cardinals about this breaking news of the TAC.
BXVI usually listen the cardinals before to take the very important decisions

 

[Albion]

From the Catholic Herald, UK today.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/news_1.html

. . . Fr Peter Geldard, Catholic chaplain at the University of Kent and a former Anglican priest, has been consulted on the subject by both the TAC and the Vatican.
He spoke several times with Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger who he said was very concerned about how to resolve the situation.
“[Benedict XVI] is very knowledgeable on this whole area and has taken it very seriously,” he said.
Fr Geldard stressed that the arrangement to preserve some of the TAC’s Anglican identity should be made so that it can be applied to other rebel groups, as well as potential converts from the official Anglican Communion.
Fr Geldard also raised the possibility that the Vatican might appoint a Rome-based prelature with authority over the group around the world.

Also, see the editorial: http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/features_opinion/features_4.html

Fr. Geldard seems to be holding out the possibility of some retention of an Anglican identity for former TAC members once they join the RCC. If so, this may be more than TAC has asked of the Vatican, but still something Fr. Geldard recognizes as worth consideration if the way is to be open for other Anglican conversions. Anyway, this looks like encouraging news for you, Secundulus, and I hope it works out for you.

 

[Colabomb]

This is a tragedy. I believe in unity, but not unity at the sake of submitting to false teaching.

Roman Catholics are my bretheren, but if I thought their church was the Holy Catholic Church, and that their teaching was Pure, i would be a Roman Catholic.

I seek Unity with my roman brothers, but as an Anglican i must say, Rome needs to Repent, rome needs to take its rightful place as a patriarchate, not a facade of the Universal Church, before true unity can be achieved.

I mean no offense to my roman brothers, but we all know we can't agree all the time

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

You dug up an old thread to tell us we're wrong?

If we believed that, we would be denying the apostolic faith and cease to be Catholic.

 

[Colabomb]

This is an old thread? I didn't know. I must have followed a link or something I don't remember.

Also... I've been reported for "heresy"..... That's odd.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

I did that. I somehow thought this was OBOB when I reported it

 

[Colabomb]

haha, no problem friend. We've all made mistakes like that hehe.

 

[RomewardBound]

WOW! This is wonderful News!!! One more step toward unity. As Jesus said 'you must all be one as the Father and I are one.' Let us all continue to pray for unity.