We have buildings that are immensely taller than anything ancient people could have come up with, not to mention we've actually breached the top of Earth and left the planet. Why then has God not smacked us back down like the Tower of Babel? Some might point to the Twin Towers, but that was done by Terrorists in the name of the Muslim God, so that would only show they are the correct ones. Not to mention all the other extremely tall buildings. Also, shouldn't Christian Groups be opposing buildings these in the first place?
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Tower of Babel
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Rafael
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The context of the scripture (surrounding passage and story line) tells us that God wanted mankind to expand, multiply and be fruitful upon the earth - not stay in one place. Had nothing to do with your assertions. Is the pride of man a problem? Oh yeah! Wars, greed, hatred and selling off for blood materialism all come from ones ability to be proud over the other. Will God bring judgment for injustice to the proud and haughty? Yep. The meek shall inherit the earth. Not the proud who hate and use others to get what they want.
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"The context of the scripture (surrounding passage and story line) tells us that God wanted mankind to expand, multiply and be fruitful upon the earth - not stay in one place."
I think you missed my point. The Babel story is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_babel if you don't know it already. I said nothing about not being fruitful, multiplying, ect.
I think you missed my point. The Babel story is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_babel if you don't know it already. I said nothing about not being fruitful, multiplying, ect.
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Rafael
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Well, I don't see that link in the original post....and it was God's intent for man to multiply and be fruitful according to what He told Adam and Eve to do earlier in Genesis, which was not the context, I admit, I was thinking of what God told Adam. and Eve as His will for man a bit earlier in the text.
"let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth"
The context does show God's displeasure with man organizing to stay in one place under one language at that time - even that they might go furthur in their imaginations to realize and go against His will for mankind.
"And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do"
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Jadiell
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If you read the passage (I suggest reading it in the Bible, rather than Wikipedia), you'll see that the reason why God confused them was not due to the fact that they built a great big tower, but rather that they were united and powerful. The tower was just an indication of that.
Has anything changed? Is humanity now united? Or do we still bicker with each other about stupid things like where we come from or what language we speak? In which case, there isn't really any need for God to "smack" anyone. And there's certainly no need to oppose building projects...
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No.
Hi brother, just want to reference the part I highlighted in blue. Christians also hate and use others to get what they want. We all are sinners and being a Christian doesn't change that. We're not supposed to hate, but we do sometimes, and using others, well, plenty do that. Christians suffer the same ills as nonChristians in regards to sin. The difference is we believe that Jesus died for our sins and was resurrected, and we are sealed by the Holy Spirit. We are all in different places in our walk with God. We all stumble. Another difference is God helps us with our sin, as we give them over to Him. He doesn't force sin out of our lives, but works in us our whole lives to take our sin, and change us.
Blessings,
Tapero
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Hi Umaro, I don't understand what you mean that we should oppose buildings? Can you explain that more?
Also, you said,
Are you saying that God opposes buildings and that since terrorists did 911 that only they are the correct ones?
It is not written in scripture, so I don't think that's true.
I don't see in scripture where God opposes buildings.
I think one poster explained very good about why the tower of babel was destroyed.
To me, it's like, it would bring things to quickly to judement had not man been divided, and God desires many in heaven. In other words, if man had gone on with one common language etc, we would have become knowledeable sooner, and God wanted to slow this process down because for sake of more children in the kingdom. Perhaps, I mean like with Noah, how he wiped out mankind from the earth, except those saved, because of the wickedness. So too, I see the tower of Babel a way of preventing final judgement to come to soon. I hope that makes sense.lol
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I have always been told in the past the Tower of Babel was destroyed and the people scattered because they were trying to reach heaven through earthly means. So, my question is based off of that, in which our buildings would be far closer to heaven than anything ancient people could have made.
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It's the intent, not the height of the building. The intent was to flout God's instructions and to reach Him on their own terms. Thus, God scattered us.
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I really think God scattered them for the end would have come too quickly had they accompished so much so early in time. (Meaning the end times.) I believe this is why he scattered them. God wants many to come to him, many descendents. Just my thoughts. Can't support it with scripture though.
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"I really think God scattered them for the end would have come too quickly had they accompished so much so early in time."
Why would earthly progress make the end of the world come faster? Doesn't God already know exactly when the end will occur?
Why would earthly progress make the end of the world come faster? Doesn't God already know exactly when the end will occur?
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God's wrath, His judgement has not been to the point where the end times have come yet.
If the people in re the Tower of Babel, hadn't been spread then they would have reached long ago, where we are today. As we've come along, even though there is nothing new under the sun, the depravity and wickedness has increased and will continue to increase until God has determined it is time for Judgement. (rapture being first, tribulation next, 1000 year reign of Jesus, then the Judgment.)
So there would be less descendents, had not they been given different tongues. This is only my thoughts as to why God stopped mankind from achieving what they could in so early a period of time. So the depravity that gets worse as we go, (which is written) would have caused God to set in motion the end times, and there would not be as many people, believers, as He desires to know Him.
Hope I explained that right.
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"God's wrath, His judgement has not been to the point where the end times have come yet."
I'm confused, doesn't God know the exact hour of the end of the world? Otherwise he wouldn't be omniscient. So nothing we do should change it, right?
I'm confused, doesn't God know the exact hour of the end of the world? Otherwise he wouldn't be omniscient. So nothing we do should change it, right?
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I am sorry as after I posted I realized you had understood my previous answer and was asking a different question.
Some people would believe that God acts in certain ways, and some have different views on how God acts.
It won't be the end of the world, but that's an aside, the rapture, tribulation and millenial reign, then then the final judgement will come when He determines it to come. We are given signs in the bible, such as the increase of wickedness.
Let me give you the scripture. Sorry it's a little long but it speaks to the end times coming and what brings that about:
I'll bold the highlights.
Never mind it's way to long, unless you don't mind, then I will post it. It's a whole chapter.
The link regarding the end times is is Matthew 24, here is a link to that chapter.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=24&version=31
Jesus is speaking here:
So, only the Father knows at the time this was written. I would believe that now that Jesus is with God that He knows also, but at the time, he hadn't died, nor was resurrected and did not have this knowledge revealed to Him yet.
So God knows, but I believe it is dependent on the increase of wickedness. I don't think He has a predetermined date in mind is what I'm saying.
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"I don't think He has a predetermined date in mind is what I'm saying."
I understand that, but my question is wouldn't that limit his omniscience? All knowing would mean He knows when the rapture will be to the second.
I understand that, but my question is wouldn't that limit his omniscience? All knowing would mean He knows when the rapture will be to the second.
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Ah, there's where comes up the different theological understandings.
Some people believe that God has pre ordained everything. It's about predesination and such.
Others believe differently which, is considered a controversial topic per rule 3.5. Open theism which can not be discussed here.
I don't understand alot about that thought, but I now understand God in a different way than I used to.
We would have to move to a different forum, however, since I am not an apologist nor fully grasp what it's all about, nor am I fully convinced of certain aspects, I would not be able to explain my understanding fully. There is an excellent site on it though, which is where I've learned so mcuh.
The site is a bit over my head, since it is written by theologians so I can't grasp it all.
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Yes,
It's http://www.biblicalanswers.com/
Scroll down to see a list of particular questions.
Then there are question and answer, which can b interesting
The forums, for a direct link is here:
http://www.biblicalanswers.com/biblicalanswers_bible_forums_frameset.htm
Enjoy, take care, tapero
It's http://www.biblicalanswers.com/
Scroll down to see a list of particular questions.
Then there are question and answer, which can b interesting
The forums, for a direct link is here:
http://www.biblicalanswers.com/biblicalanswers_bible_forums_frameset.htm
Enjoy, take care, tapero
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This site supports my theory that freewill and future omniscience are mutually exclusive. I think I understand now. God knows everything that has happened, or is happening, but not what will happen.
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