tounge speaking - do you have to do it every time?

[BroGinder]

"It amazed me how that applying some simple principles to activate their faith brought forth such beautiful languages out of their mouths"

Hello Oscar, Enjoyed your post's.

Two question's, you mentioned some principles to getting people speaking in tongues. In your first post, you backed off, gave him to God, and he started to roll.
The second principle was teaching them to just speak out by faith, of which both i agree. I just found my self wondering if their was anymore principles?

Question #2 In my first church in the 80's people would prophesie, and tongues before the prophesy would be very seldom. The church i go to today is almost always tongues first and then prophetic interpretation, does it matter if you just prophesy out without tongues first?

God has blessed me to lead a small flock in my home and this why i'm curious, Thanks Oscar

It is first important to understand that you are referring to two diffrent types of tongues.

One is your spirit tlaking and crying out to God one on one. The other is God talking through you to someone or maybe even to you with someone else having the gift of interpretation. Sometimes the tongues and the interp are from the same person. However, I notice God more often then not, uses two people as his word says in the mouth of two or three witnesses let it be established.

It would be difficult to interp without a message. However, prophesy does not have to come in a message in tongues. I hope I have not confused you more. These are all individual and distinct diffrent gifts from the Spirit.

Does that help at all? I hope so

God Bless!

 

[JesusAdmirer]

I have a related question regarding speaking in tongues. Sometimes, when I'm praying in the spirit in tongues and praising God, then all of a sudden it's like my voice changes, as if the Lord was speaking back.

Then when I interpret it in English, it's like a personal message to me from the Lord. I first had this experience once, when I was praying in tongues for about one half hour, and all of a sudden I was speaking in English, but it was the Lord speaking back to my surprise.

I never ever even attempted to do that beforehand, nor was I trying to then, because I lacked faith I could actually speak or prophesy a message from the Lord. I could speak in tongues. Yes! But not prophesy from the Lord, like I heard so many others do in church.

Speaking in tongues and praising God was one thing, but God speaking back and prophesying to others or even myself in this case was a new thing for me at the time.

I realize that scripture says that this should be done in the midst of at least two or three witnesses, but these experiences are actually the Lord speaking directly to me rather than others, so I ask if this seems appropriate to those on this thread.

What do you all think about my question? Can the Lord speak in private to us personally using tonges and interpretation apart from two or three witnesses? Because it seems to happen to me once in a while.

 

[BroGinder]

I have a related question regarding speaking in tongues. Sometimes, when I'm praying in the spirit in tongues and praising God, then all of a sudden it's like my voice changes, as if the Lord was speaking back.

Then when I interpret it in English, it's like a personal message to me from the Lord. I first had this experience once, when I was praying in tongues for about one half hour, and all of a sudden I was speaking in English, but it was the Lord speaking back to my surprise.

I never ever even attempted to do that beforehand, nor was I trying to then, because I lacked faith I could actually speak or prophesy a message from the Lord. I could speak in tongues. Yes! But not prophesy from the Lord, like I heard so many others do in church.

Speaking in tongues and praising God was one thing, but God speaking back and prophesying to others or even myself in this case was a new thing for me at the time.

I realize that scripture says that this should be done in the midst of at least two or three witnesses, but these experiences are actually the Lord speaking directly to me rather than others, so I ask if this seems appropriate to those on this thread.

What do you all think about my question? Can the Lord speak in private to us personally using tonges and interpretation apart from two or three witnesses? Because it seems to happen to me once in a while.

I think the short answer is yes. He is God he can do what he wants , how he wants.

Check the spirit, make sure it is God, other than that. PRaise the Lord.

God Bless

 

[JesusAdmirer]

I think the short answer is yes. He is God he can do what he wants , how he wants.

Check the spirit, make sure it is God, other than that. PRaise the Lord.

God Bless

Thanks BroGinder

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I have a related question regarding speaking in tongues. Sometimes, when I'm praying in the spirit in tongues and praising God, then all of a sudden it's like my voice changes, as if the Lord was speaking back.

Then when I interpret it in English, it's like a personal message to me from the Lord. I first had this experience once, when I was praying in tongues for about one half hour, and all of a sudden I was speaking in English, but it was the Lord speaking back to my surprise.

I never ever even attempted to do that beforehand, nor was I trying to then, because I lacked faith I could actually speak or prophesy a message from the Lord. I could speak in tongues. Yes! But not prophesy from the Lord, like I heard so many others do in church.

Speaking in tongues and praising God was one thing, but God speaking back and prophesying to others or even myself in this case was a new thing for me at the time.

I realize that scripture says that this should be done in the midst of at least two or three witnesses, but these experiences are actually the Lord speaking directly to me rather than others, so I ask if this seems appropriate to those on this thread.

What do you all think about my question? Can the Lord speak in private to us personally using tonges and interpretation apart from two or three witnesses? Because it seems to happen to me once in a while.

Whatever happens in your private prayer time with the Lord is between you and Him. There are many ways the Lord can speak to us and this is one of them. I have had the experience of having a discussion with the Lord over an issue (in English) and then been able to answer all my questions with new insights and thoughts I didn't just a little while before. I believe that in response to my questions and discussion, the Lord spoke back to me and I was giving myself His answers out of my own mouth!

You don't need permission from others to accept and enjoy what the Lord does for you in your private time with Him. Your private fellowship with Him is sacred to you and Him. No one has the right to say anything about it. Get rid of the fear of man. You are not obligated to any other person if you are fellowshiping with the Lord.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

"It amazed me how that applying some simple principles to activate their faith brought forth such beautiful languages out of their mouths"

Hello Oscar, Enjoyed your post's.

Two question's, you mentioned some principles to getting people speaking in tongues. In your first post, you backed off, gave him to God, and he started to roll.
The second principle was teaching them to just speak out by faith, of which both i agree. I just found my self wondering if their was anymore principles?

Question #2 In my first church in the 80's people would prophesie, and tongues before the prophesy would be very seldom. The church i go to today is almost always tongues first and then prophetic interpretation, does it matter if you just prophesy out without tongues first?

God has blessed me to lead a small flock in my home and this why i'm curious, Thanks Oscar

To answer your first question, read my article on tongues:
http://personal-communication.net.nz/baptism.htm

The manifestation of tongues and prophecy that you are hearing is a person speaking out in tongues and another person being activated in the prophetic as the result of the prayer in tongues.

True interpretation of tongues is in the form of a prayer. The tongues are directed to God, therefore a true interpretation should be directed the same way.

Yes, it is quite normal and appropriate to speak out in prophecy without waiting for a message in tongues if you have the prompting and the faith to do that.

 

[BroGinder]

I am not sure our friend was seeking permission or acceptance. Felt like someone seeking afirmation. There is goodness in that.

Often our flesh can make us think things or desire things that are not the will of God. I think it is good to do as the Bible says and that is try the spirit. Make sure it is the "S"pirit and not the "s"pirit.

God Bless

 

[JEBrady]

I am not sure our friend was seeking permission or acceptance. Felt like someone seeking afirmation. There is goodness in that.

Often our flesh can make us think things or desire things that are not the will of God. I think it is good to do as the Bible says and that is try the spirit. Make sure it is the "S"pirit and not the "s"pirit.

God Bless

I've been reading these sort of statements lately in a lot of the threads going around. Not to pick on you, but I think I'd use this as an opportunity to make the point that prophecy, tongues, interpretation of tongues comes out of one's own spirit. The utterance is inspired of the Spirit, and He tabernacles in our spirit, if we have been born again. For out of our belly shall flow rivers of living water. Prophecy that is not from God comes from demonic sources, or from the fleshly mind, but not out of the spirit unless it is someone who has not been born again.

Read 1 Co 14 for reference.
For the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

 

[BroGinder]

I've been reading these sort of statements lately in a lot of the threads going around. Not to pick on you, but I think I'd use this as an opportunity to make the point that prophecy, tongues, interpretation of tongues comes out of one's own spirit. The utterance is inspired of the Spirit, and He tabernacles in our spirit, if we have been born again. For out of our belly shall flow rivers of living water. Prophecy that is not from God comes from demonic sources, or from the fleshly mind, but not out of the spirit unless it is someone who has not been born again.

Read 1 Co 14 for reference.
For the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

For the most part that is true. However, your own flesh, or your own will can have a desire for something that is not in God's plan for you. The devil is givin way to much credit. He is not omnipresent, or omniscient. There are not demons affecting every poor decision we make. Sometimes it is just a battle of wills. Our will versus God's perfect Will.

Anyway the scripture you quoted is exactly the one I would have chosen. We tend the think that things are twosided either its God or its the devil. There is a third option and that is self. Now serving self is sin, but the devil doesnt always make us do it is my point.

prophecy, tongues, interpretation of tongues comes out of one's own spirit

I think maybe I am missing something here. I am pretty sure that Prophecy is a gift of The Spirit. Interpretations is a gift of The Spirit, tongues is a gift of The Spirit. The Spirit being the Holy Ghost.

I think we are saying the same thing just diffrent ways. If not please clarify where I may be missing it.

God Bless

 

[JEBrady]

For the most part that is true. However, your own flesh, or your own will can have a desire for something that is not in God's plan for you. The devil is givin way to much credit. He is not omnipresent, or omniscient. There are not demons affecting every poor decision we make. Sometimes it is just a battle of wills. Our will versus God's perfect Will.

Anyway the scripture you quoted is exactly the one I would have chosen. We tend the think that things are twosided either its God or its the devil. There is a third option and that is self. Now serving self is sin, but the devil doesnt always make us do it is my point.


I think maybe I am missing something here. I am pretty sure that Prophecy is a gift of The Spirit. Interpretations is a gift of The Spirit, tongues is a gift of The Spirit. The Spirit being the Holy Ghost.

I think we are saying the same thing just diffrent ways. If not please clarify where I may be missing it.

God Bless

The flesh is more than just your corporeal body. It is the lusts of the body and it is the fleshly mind, or the natural mind. That makes up the natural man, and he can't receive the things of God because they are spiritually discerned. Also, the soul is made up of the will, emotions, intellect or mind. We have the mind of Christ but we also have the fleshly mind to contend with. The flesh and the spirit are at odds, arrayed against each other. Life is simply a series of decisions as to which one of these we yield to. Our spirits are reborn, but the flesh has to be crucified. I agree that's where the real problem is. The devil and his imps are just hanging out waiting for an open door, always standing ready to help us out if we make a bad choice.

Paul said, when referring to speaking and singing in tongues, all through the 14th chapter, he makes the distinction of speaking/praying/singing with his spirit or with his understanding (mind). Other utterance gifts come out of the spirit as well, as shown by the prophets being in control of their own spirits. It indicates to me the origin of the utterance, not that the prophets need to stifle their spirits. They will speak prophecy out of their spirits when the time is right (i.e. in order). Paul's admonition is to use self control and manifest the gifts in an orderly manner. It's really common sense.

My only point was that I've seen a lot of people posting lately that what comes out of the human spirit is somehow not of God, but I don't see that at all in scripture. I see instead that all these things are manifested through our human reborn spirit as the Spirit gives utterance. Your post wasn't even the best example by far for making that point, but as I said, I was just taking it as an opportunity to make the point. If you mean that we need to be careful in the sense that we control our spirits in not manifesting gifts in a disorderly way, then I misread you and agree. If you mean that we need to be careful because we want to speak from God's spirit instead of our own, then I don't think that's what scripture teaches. I think scripture teaches that is speaking out of our own minds or under the influence of a demon, but not out of our spirits. I agree with you that there's a third option, but that it's the natural man and not the reborn spirit. That was my only point. Hope that's clearer. Sorry for bending your ear so badly over semantics.

 

[BroGinder]

I clearly believe we are saying the same thing. I appreciate you very much for sharing. Its important, that we are all things to all men. I speak pretty plain or at least try to not cause confusion. You do the same only what felt like to a diffrent audience. I feel we said the same thing.

God Bless

 

[Holyroller125]

For the most part that is true. However, your own flesh, or your own will can have a desire for something that is not in God's plan for you. The devil is givin way to much credit. He is not omnipresent, or omniscient. There are not demons affecting every poor decision we make. Sometimes it is just a battle of wills. Our will versus God's perfect Will.

Anyway the scripture you quoted is exactly the one I would have chosen. We tend the think that things are twosided either its God or its the devil. There is a third option and that is self. Now serving self is sin, but the devil doesnt always make us do it is my point.



I think maybe I am missing something here. I am pretty sure that Prophecy is a gift of The Spirit. Interpretations is a gift of The Spirit, tongues is a gift of The Spirit. The Spirit being the Holy Ghost.

I think we are saying the same thing just diffrent ways. If not please clarify where I may be missing it.

God Bless

Someone can have the "gift of prophecy (I Cor. 12, 14 for reference" to complement the body of Christ. Or, someone can be called to church leadership to equip the body of Christ as an office of ministry (Eph. 4:11-12).

God Bless,

Greg Norton

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I am not sure our friend was seeking permission or acceptance. Felt like someone seeking afirmation. There is goodness in that.

Often our flesh can make us think things or desire things that are not the will of God. I think it is good to do as the Bible says and that is try the spirit. Make sure it is the "S"pirit and not the "s"pirit.

God Bless

I don't want to make too much of an issue over it, but the quote out of 1John about testing the spirits, if you read the context, was not about comparing the Holy Spirit with any other kind of spirit. It was because false apostles were spreading false teaching that Jesus was not a real human being but still maintained his divine essence when He was on earth. Therefore John was warning people to test the spirit behind the teaching - that a person cannot say that Jesus has come in the flesh unless he is saying it through the Holy Spirit.

It is important that we read verses in their proper context. I know that it is a popular teaching in Pentecostal circles that this verse is used to test the spirit of a person, but reading the context carefully, that teaching may be incorrect.

I believe that the true test of whether someone is moving in the Holy Spirit is that he or she loves the people being ministered to, and is demonstrating the fruit of the Spirit in what is said and done. This is the Spirit of Truth.

The characteristic of the spirit of error is a lack of real love toward people, and when tested it does not display the fruit of the Spirit.

 

[ARBITER01]

Let's take a look at the scripture,..

1 ¶ (LIT) Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are from God; for many false prophets have gone forth into the world.

2 (LIT) By this know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God.

3 (LIT) And every spirit which does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not from God; and this is the antichrist which you heard is coming, and now is already in the world.

4 ¶ (LIT) Little children, you are of God and have overcome them, because He in you is greater than he in the world.

John provided a stucture for testing, seems pretty obvious that he meant that we discern and test the spirit of that person, whether it be from GOD or not.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Let's take a look at the scripture,..



John provided a stucture for testing, seems pretty obvious that he meant that we discern and test the spirit of that person, whether it be from GOD or not.

It depends on who is doing the testing.
Certainly not someone who is proud and arrogant enough to set himself up as a judge of these things on a forum where he is not known, nor has he proved himself to have a ministry of love to the saints.

 

[ARBITER01]

It depends on who is doing the testing.
Certainly not someone who is proud and arrogant enough to set himself up as a judge of these things on a forum where he is not known, nor has he proved himself to have a ministry of love to the saints.

That was what I thought your post was about.

I'll tell you what Oscarr, The Holy Spirit starts moving in your so-called prophecies, I'll be the first to let you know on here, elsewise, you are lacking in that department bigtime.

GOD's gifts are without repentance. No matter what you may think of me, GOD can move through me as HE pleases, that is why we cannot judge another, only their fruit.

Jeremiah seems to hate my guts on here, but if he was to post a prophecy on here that was by The Holy Spirit, I would immediately stand up and acknowledge it as such before folks, the same with QC.

I say get with the program.

 

[tturt]

ARBITER01 a challenge for you -

Since your pastor is the only one you have confidence in besides yourself, get him a copy of this thread with your identification noted and see what he has to say. If you believe you are totally correct - not only the interpretation of the scripture - but in the manner in which you have presented it - then there shouldn't be any problem with accepting this challenge.

 

[ARBITER01]

ARBITER01 a challenge for you -

Since your pastor is the only one you have confidence in besides yourself, get him a copy of this thread with your identification noted and see what he has to say. If you believe you are totally correct - not only the interpretation of the scripture - but in the manner in which you have presented it - then there shouldn't be any problem with accepting this challenge.

My pastor and I already talk about some of these things on here, especially the recent prophecy issue in the general section. I'm not sure why you think it would be a challenge for me to present some sort of personal thing here before my pastor, he has his hands full with things from other people as it is.

 

[tturt]

Oh I'm sure the interpretation is fine with him - let's see a review of how these views are presented.

of course - it might be bringing up something he's been meaning to talk with you about.

 

[ARBITER01]

Oh I'm sure the interpretation is fine with him - let's see a review of how these views are presented.

of course - it might be bringing up something he's been meaning to talk with you about.

Are you trying to do some sort of thought divining like two others did on here already?

Let me make it perfectly clear with you, GOD has me where HE wants me perfectly, I mean it is absolutely perfect, and your opinion or anyone else's on what you think of me has no bearing on that whatsoever.

Now if you would like to hold fruitful conversations with me that is fine, but knock off the fortunetelling, that is reserved for certain shady charactors on here already.