Touching, wrong?

[Lokisdottir]

I think it is wrong, because it can and very often will lead to pre-marital sex. Which in my opinion is wrong.

We have hands. Having hands might lead to touching, and touching might lead to pre-marital sex. Ergo, we should all cut off our hands.

 

[Antoninus Verus]

Hey- I didn't write the Good Book- I just know what is in it.

If you have a problem with it- take it up with the Author.

Oh trust me, I have, havent got an answer back yet. But just the act of "wasting" seed is a sin? Thats not even logical. Sperm dies, period, it has a pre-set lifespan and it will die, doesnt matter if its inside you or on the ground, it WILL die. So whats the difference?

 

[seebs]

Hey- I didn't write the Good Book- I just know what is in it.

Er, only, what you said isn't actually in it. More reading, less preaching.

 

[kedaman]

Oh trust me, I have, havent got an answer back yet. But just the act of "wasting" seed is a sin? Thats not even logical. Sperm dies, period, it has a pre-set lifespan and it will die, doesnt matter if its inside you or on the ground, it WILL die. So whats the difference?

Ok, if an egg is something that produces another egg, what is a seed?

 

[Antoninus Verus]

Ok, if an egg is something that produces another egg, what is a seed?

An egg has the POTENTIAL to produce something tha will produce annother egg. A seed is the same, it has the POTENTIAL to produce something that can produce annother seed.

 

[kedaman]

An egg has the POTENTIAL to produce something tha will produce annother egg. A seed is the same, it has the POTENTIAL to produce something that can produce annother seed.

True, but anything has the potential to produce an egg, unless you explicitely talk about something that doesn't produce an egg. If I throw a dice, it has the potential to produce the outcome six. However if you predict by the thrown angle and velocity and other factors involved, you could say that the outcome six is very improbable but not impossible. Potential and probability is in the eye of the beholder. The question is, how useful is such an interpretation for the scripture? Do you think Jesus played games with statistics?

You haven't got an answer back yet, now is your chance. That is unless you have something else in mind.

 

[Lokisdottir]

True, but anything has the potential to produce an egg, unless you explicitely talk about something that doesn't produce an egg. If I throw a dice, it has the potential to produce the outcome six. However if you predict by the thrown angle and velocity and other factors involved, you could say that the outcome six is very improbable but not impossible. Potential and probability is in the eye of the beholder. The question is, how useful is such an interpretation for the scripture? Do you think Jesus played games with statistics?

Um, what?

This isn't about chance and probability. It's about potential. An egg can become a person, but only if it encounters a sperm cell. Likewise, a sperm cell can become a person, but only if it encounters an egg. Unless these conditions are fulfilled, this potential is wasted.

The only rolling of dice that could be involved would be to determine whether or not fertilization actually takes place when these two factors meet.

Oh, and to the person who spoke against spilling seed, remember that if a male does not touch, have sex, or otherwise "let it out," the excess buildup of sperm will be released when he urinates.

The only way to avoid this would be to get married and start having sex as soon as soon as the little buggers learn how to swim, which I believe happens at around age 12-14. It would also mean having sex on a very regular basis for the rest of your life, which for most men just isn't feasible. What if you become a widower? Depending on your views about remarrying, you could really be in a LOT of trouble!

 

[Antoninus Verus]

Um, what?

This isn't about chance and probability. It's about potential. An egg can become a person, but only if it encounters a sperm cell. Likewise, a sperm cell can become a person, but only if it encounters an egg. Unless these conditions are fulfilled, this potential is wasted.

The only rolling of dice that could be involved would be to determine whether or not fertilization actually takes place when these two factors meet.

Oh, and to the person who spoke against spilling seed, remember that if a male does not touch, have sex, or otherwise "let it out," the excess buildup of sperm will be released when he urinates.

The only way to avoid this would be to get married and start having sex as soon as soon as the little buggers learn how to swim, which I believe happens at around age 12-14. It would also mean having sex on a very regular basis for the rest of your life, which for most men just isn't feasible. What if you become a widower? Depending on your views about remarrying, you could really be in a LOT of trouble!

THANK you, you said what I tried to say but said it better.

 

[jer36v3]

Antoninus Verus
Whats wrong with cuddling? My girlfriend and I cuddle up together all the time, and I'd take a quiet day of cuddling up under a blanket with a movie over sex.
It feels good, it gives you a sense of security by stimulating natural instincts you had when you were a kid, I really dont see a downside.

Why not both cuddling and sex?

 

[jer36v3]

As long as no seed is wasted- all touching is ok. If touching causes seed to be wasted- it is sinful.

How do you figure that?
"Every sperm is precious. Every sperm is great!"??

 

[Antoninus Verus]

Why not both?

???

 

[jer36v3]

???

Why not both cuddling and sex?

 

[jer36v3]

Men laying with thier wives during menses was addressed. Also addressed were the fact that women were considered unclean during thier menses.

To be specific YHVH considers men having sex with their wives during menses is an abomination that warrents death. Check out EZK 18.

 

[Antoninus Verus]

Why not both cuddling and sex?

Why not cuddling and sex WHAT?

 

[jer36v3]

Why not cuddling and sex WHAT?

Do you read your own postings?

 

[Antoninus Verus]

I do, and forgive me if this is offensive, but your references to them dont make sense.

 

[Chrono Traveler]

I do, and forgive me if this is offensive, but your references to them dont make sense.

jer is saying why would you not have a night of both cuddling and making love.

 

[Antoninus Verus]

jer is saying why would you not have a night of both cuddling and making love.

Ah, allright. A night of both would be fun. Never said it wouldnt be, but I enjoy cuddling with her more. I decline to answer if we have or have not had sex

 

[Chrono Traveler]

Ah, allright. A night of both would be fun. Never said it wouldnt be, but I enjoy cuddling with her more. I decline to answer if we have or have not had sex

hahaha, I respect that..a lot...too bad I cant give you more rep points for the time being. =p

at least I think.....::tries::