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SteveR2021 · Apr 14, 2005

Can you all debate without being so harsh????

Thanks for the reminder! Feel free to let me know when I'm out of line.

GreenEyedLady · Apr 14, 2005

Stefan,
Are you a Baptist or an orthodox?
I am confused with what you really are. I cannot tell by your posts either.
GEL

SteveR2021 · Apr 14, 2005

Stefan,
Are you a Baptist or an orthodox?
I am confused with what you really are. I cannot tell by your posts either

LOL. I'm a Christian...

Actually i'm preparing to enter full time ministry with the Baptist Church and I'm actively involved in a downtown ministry at my church (Baptist).

I don't like to be pegged. I believe in the pursuit of truth and I have found that Baptists don't have it nailed down yet. I like aspects of the Baptist church and I like aspects of the Charismatic and Pentecostal churches, the Alliance church, and the Orthodox church...

While I like certain aspects of the Orthodox Church, I don't agree with all of their teachings (my avatar is an icon - but I don't actually use icons...Stephen has always meant a great deal to me). But the same goes for the Baptist church and others.

The more I study theology and my Bible the more I find that different church groups have much to offer. No one denomination has a hold on the truth...I try to take the best out of each denomination. The Baptist church (my particular convention) is ideal for that because of its congregational model.

You will find that sometimes I sound like I'm Pentecostal, other times Orthodox and other times Baptist. I believe in standing for the truth has it is presented in God's word - and sometimes I get in heated debates with fellow Baptists because I just don't agree with (parts of) their theology.

I hope that helps. God Bless.

Stephen

Ginny · Apr 14, 2005

Man, i am telling you what...this is the first time I have been to this thread and I just read every single post.

It went from Mary, to saints, to OSAS... I am a CHRISTIAN that ATTENDS a Baptist church....this is a baptist thread.

I feel like saying "Satan get behind me". Really. I must say that I suddenly feel weak, unsure, doubtful, and faithless after hearing the derogatory comments.

And I consider myself a strong question who has had a strong relationship with Christ for 8 years. My husband warned me that it is not completely edifying to join the threads and listen to other's posts. I think I am beginning to see "the light".

To God be the glory.

SteveR2021 · Apr 14, 2005

It went from Mary, to saints, to OSAS...

Sometimes conversations can get sidetracked. Its something to work on.

I am a CHRISTIAN that ATTENDS a Baptist church....this is a baptist thread.

What are you trying to say Ginny? Does it bother you that some of us do not fully agree with all Baptist doctrine?

I feel like saying "Satan get behind me". Really. I must say that I suddenly feel weak, unsure, doubtful, and faithless after hearing the derogatory comments.

Those are strong words...could you let us know what has particularly upset you? Sometimes language used in discussion can get quite sharp - and we have to work on that - but i don't think anyone is trying to be derogatory. I think it would be best if you let us know specifically what has so perturbed you - saying "Satan get behind me" is not necessarily very helpful.

Hopefully we can sort this out - I am sorry that this thread has so disturbed you.

I will look forward to hearing from you.

Your brother in Christ,

Stephen

Ginny · Apr 15, 2005

Stefan Davidovich said:
What are you trying to say Ginny? Does it bother you that some of us do not fully agree with all Baptist doctrine?

As I am sure you will agree, anytime there is something that you firmly believe without a doubt, Satan can stick his ugly head up and make you doubt. Not that man has made me doubt but a man's words have, and I guess my post was more for Satan. When I say that, it is not calling anyone specifically here Satan.

Sometimes language used in discussion can get quite sharp - and we have to work on that - but i don't think anyone is trying to be derogatory.

When I first joined Christian Forums, not too long ago, I got very discouraged in regards to how people spoke to each other...especially "Christians". When I spoke to another poster about this, he informed me that unfortunately it seems the Christians that have the worst come out in them through Christian Forums.. My first concern was non-Christians/ atheists.

Hopefully we can sort this out - I am sorry that this thread has so disturbed you.

No need to be concerned. I think the worst came out in me when I read comments on OSAS. I am a firm believer that if you are truly truly truly saved and have a full time relationship with Jesus Christ then this salvation cannot be lost....we are new creations (2 Cor 5:17). If they were so called "lost" then you never were saved in the first place...how can one be born again only to go right back through to the womb?...it was more a religious "experience" than a salvation experience.

I assumed, somewhat naieve, that all Baptists believed this. So this being a Baptist forum, I was looking forward to "like minds".

As a Christian that attends a Baptist church, but not calling herself a Baptist through conviction, I still agree with their doctrines in full otherwise I would not attend the church.

I will agree to disagree on many subjects here, I guess. I do not wish to start a debate on OSAS.

Thanks, Stefan.

Gold Dragon · Apr 15, 2005

Ginny said:
I assumed, somewhat naieve, that all Baptists believed this. So this being a Baptist forum, I was looking forward to "like minds".

There is a useful Baptist saying to remember:

If you have three Baptists in a room, you'll get four opinions.

SteveR2021 · Apr 15, 2005

Thank you Ginny for the kind response.

We probably agree on a lot more than we disagree - and the whole subject (of OSAS...which we won't debate ) is probably not that important...I have never met anyone who was truly born again who later rejected Christ...so its probably not worth the debate.

I'm glad we can agree to disagree and yet still have fellowship...so long as we agree to give God glory!!

God Bless you.

Stephen

thereselittleflower · Apr 16, 2005

Lockheed said:
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Just a few miles from my home:

This is the 32' statue of "Our Lady of Peace" at the chapel of the same name in Santa Clara, CA. (The different colored boxes appear to be for graphic effect.)

That's a beautiful statue . . .thank you for posting it.

Peace

thereselittleflower · Apr 16, 2005

Bill thank you for posting this prayer :

This prayer was written by the Holy Father to
Mary Immaculate

Totally yours,
Immaculate Conception, Mary my Mother,
Live in me, Act in me,
Speak in me and through me,
Think your thoughts in my mind,
Love through my heart,
Give me your dispositions and feelings,
Teach, lead me and guide me to Jesus,
Correct, enlighten and expand my thoughts and behavior,
Possess my soul,
Take over my entire personality and life, replace it with Yourself,
Incline me to constant adoration,
Pray in me and through me,
Let me live in you and keep me in this union always.

http://prayers.viarosa.com/TotusTuus.html

It is beautiful

Peace

thereselittleflower · Apr 16, 2005

Uncle Bud said:
So do alot of Baptists, Bill. There are doctrinal errors that the Baptist churches teach as well, are they now a cult?

Uncle Bud . . can you tell me how you did those quotes in your post? I am in the dark and no one will explain it to me . . .

Thanks!

Peace

Iollain · Apr 16, 2005

thereselittleflower said:
Bill thank you for posting this prayer :

This prayer was written by the Holy Father to
Mary Immaculate

Totally yours,
Immaculate Conception, Mary my Mother,
Live in me, Act in me,
Speak in me and through me,
Think your thoughts in my mind,
Love through my heart,
Give me your dispositions and feelings,
Teach, lead me and guide me to Jesus,
Correct, enlighten and expand my thoughts and behavior,
Possess my soul,
Take over my entire personality and life, replace it with Yourself,
Incline me to constant adoration,
Pray in me and through me,
Let me live in you and keep me in this union always.

http://prayers.viarosa.com/TotusTuus.html

It is beautiful

Peace

That is not beautiful to me, it is taking the place of the Holy Spirit. And i won't say anything else cause i will cause the thread to be closed.

BBAS 64 · Apr 16, 2005

Good Day, All

While re reading this prayer that John Paul wrote, not only is it contray to the very nature of the gospel and the Faith once delivered to the saints. It seems that this kind of incantation is used by "mediums" that channel the thoughts, feelings and knowledge of dead people.

What do you think have I gone to far in my assesment of the words he wrote?

Peace to u,

Bill

GreenEyedLady · Apr 16, 2005

Iollain said:
That is not beautiful to me, it is taking the place of the Holy Spirit. And i won't say anything else cause i will cause the thread to be closed.

I second that. However, this is the baptist forum, and we should be able to discuss freely this poem or any other poem brought to our attention by other forum members.
The part that bothers me the most is "posses my soul"
Nothing and no body should "live" in us but the Holy Spirit.

Iollain · Apr 16, 2005

BBAS 64 said:
Good Day, All

While re reading this prayer that John Paul wrote, not only is it contray to the very nature of the gospel and the Faith once delivered to the saints. It seems that this kind of incantation is used by "mediums" that channel the thoughts, feelings and knowledge of dead people.

What do you think have I gone to far in my assesment of the words he wrote?

Peace to u,

Bill

I think the same thing Bill.

Iollain · Apr 16, 2005

GreenEyedLady said:
I second that. However, this is the baptist forum, and we should be able to discuss freely this poem or any other poem brought to our attention by other forum members.
The part that bothers me the most is "posses my soul"
Nothing and no body should "live" in us but the Holy Spirit.

Amen GEL, only the Holy Spirit.

SteveR2021 · Apr 16, 2005

The part that bothers me the most is "posses my soul"
Nothing and no body should "live" in us but the Holy Spirit.

Amen.

PapaLandShark · Apr 16, 2005

Gah...I tried to read through all of this thread. I think I got to page 6 before my head started spinning.

It is unfortunate that we can't sit down with the man and talk with him about this. Guess we'll just have to wait a little while and ask in person eh?

thereselittleflower · Apr 16, 2005

I completely understand all your concerns regarding the Pope's prayer . . I find it beautiful because I understand it within the context he intended it. If I saw it the way you do, I would be just as abhorent of it, I would consider it blasphemous.

Since this is your forum, I don't think I can really say a whole lot more about it here . . but if anyone is genuinely interested in understanding this preayer from the Catholic perspective, you are always welcome to come and ask in OBOB.

Peace

thereselittleflower · Apr 16, 2005

PapaLandShark said:
Gah...I tried to read through all of this thread. I think I got to page 6 before my head started spinning.

It is unfortunate that we can't sit down with the man and talk with him about this. Guess we'll just have to wait a little while and ask in person eh?

Thanks for you voice of reason. There are many things I will want to ask him about when that time comes too.

I like your avatar too!

Peace

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