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"Bad taste is timeless."- Anonymous
Something that disturbed me, as a mother, the other night. My husband and I were at Wal-Mart and I noticed that Hillary Duff has her own line of children's clothing now. Little girls, mind you, not teenage/juniors. These were clothes that if they had grown-up versions of them I would be ashamed to wear. I think it is sad how we're sexualizing little girls at an early age. We're teaching them to grow up far faster than they should. When I was young, there was a distinguishable difference between children's clothing and juniors'. One of the most exciting aspects of going into junior high school was being able to shop for more "mature" fashions. Now there is no line drawn. They have thong panties for children that have phrases like "Cutie" screenprinted across the crotch. Little girls' clothes look like something a twenty-something would wear to a nightclub. Notice how in the boys' department they still have little Spiderman t-shirts and Bob the Builder pants, but they have hyper-sexualized little girl clothes. As a mother, I find this a bit disturbing.
Hi tgg,
However, I just want to address what you said that modesty is the philosophy of satan and not God. That is untrue. Women are told to dress modestly in the bible. Please do read my post so that you see my thoughts on it before making a judgement regarding this post. I just wanted to tell you, it is not from satan, it is from God.
Blessings,
tapero
I was hoping this thread wouldn't go in the direction of how it's "acceptable" for "thin" women to be scantily clad whereas curvaceous women should avoid the Spandex. IMHO everyone should avoid Spandex. We're not living in the era where Olivia Newton John is belting out "let's get physical". And, in my humble opinion, people should dress modestly. Now, what is modest to me may be different from what other people view as modest.
I tried bringing that up in an earlier post - albeit with humour - and no-one replied to it. It really does seem to be about control, not modesty. Who controls who: who controls what others wear.
Parents.
Hi, Jesus didn't deal with the churches, just the temple. Jesus didn't deal with all issues of the day, just the ones we have in the bible.Wanting women to dress 'modestly' came from Paul, not Jesus. Paul was a very hung up and neurotic individual whose philosophies have contaminated the church.
http://www.figleafforum.com/articles_symbols_pilgrimage.html
If you have a problem with Paul's teachings, you have a problem with God's teachings.Wanting women to dress 'modestly' came from Paul, not Jesus. Paul was a very hung up and neurotic individual whose philosophies have contaminated the church.
http://www.figleafforum.com/articles_symbols_pilgrimage.html
As for homosexuality being a sin, Argent, that is a load of tommyrot if you bother to read your Bible in context.
Do you eat ham sandwiches and shellfish as well?
Did you ever see the movie Mother, Jugs and Speed where the nude female corpse actually was a stumbling block?I've already stated (here) what I feel the need to say and it got skipped over just like male modesty, coincidence?
Nope, but it sounds a bit gross or a bit of a laugh...Did you ever see the movie Mother, Jugs and Speed where the nude female corpse actually was a stumbling block?
ewww.
I agree.When women wore dresses halfway down their calves, men developed ankle fetishes. Arab teenagers get all hot and bothered when they see the girl walk into the shop dressed in girl clothes and walk out with a burka because they know that there is a woman underneath.
Modesty is a lot more about control of one's own urges rather than imposing some artificial dress code on members of the opposite sex, or blaming them for our own arousal.
There is of course a question of taste, and good taste takes into account the cultural standards of the particular society. and this particular society does not want to see me in a Speedo, although there likely are a few men for whom such attire would not be considered unduly provocative in certain situations.
Modesty in dress therefore, for men and women, means dressing in such a manner that your neighbours are not disturbed. It varies according to society and situation.
The cultural norm should take into account the most prudish and priggish in society, but a society that needs to conform to such a standard lacks freedom.
I've tried to discuss that topic around CF before and no one will acknowledge that modesty expands beyond clothing. If a church is going to demand modesty from women attendees then they should also make certain that their hair is a natural color and that make up is not worn.One thing I've always wondered is if the "dress modestly" crowd extends the same thing to natural features.
For example, I consider myself a modest dresser... I don't show my belly, I don't show excessive cleavage (I have I think 2 shirts that show any cleavage).... I wear jeans and sweatshirts mostly. However, I have red hair... Like RED HAIR. Granted, it's dyed, but it's a very "flashy" color of red. And I've got my nails painted purple.
Does all of that go under modest dress? If one is to be considered a modest dresser, does that mean their hair and minor features should not be "flashy?"
But modesty, real modesty, isn't about how much is covered. It is about being appropriate for the activity, the enviroment, the weather, etc.
I can understand when there are religious convictions in the books of that religion to cover certain parts of the body... such as in Islam... but the Bible lacks such clarity. The Bible implies that a person must be appropriate for the occasion at hand, not that they must keep covered in ways that don't make any cultural sense. And in North American culture and society, frankly, showing calf isn't that sexy. A person at a park in the summer will get little attention if they are in knee-length shorts and a t-shirt, but they will get attention if they are wearing a long skirt, leggings, and are covered fully. The question of what is under all that covering may be more alluring than just wearing what is common, modest, and comfortable in that society, in this case, North American society.
Perhaps this example will help bring the subject in to perspective: At a party, it is appropriate and modest to talk, laugh, be goofy, have fun, be outgoing, etc. At a formal business meeting, it is appropriate and modest to wait until you have something important and on-topic to say, and to be in a sober mood.
The issue of modesty is so much mroe complicated than covering everything. It is much more about being appropriate in the time, place, weather, activity, culture.
And one must remember that what is covered can often be more alluring than what is not, to a point...
That is legalism as well. There is nothing wrong with same-sex attraction - God made some men that way.
Well, I have been to church services where there were topless and nude women present and I certainly did not feel any sense of lust towards them.
I think Christians should be free to dress or undress as they please. Body shame and so-called 'modesty' with clothes are the philosophies of Satan, not God.
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