Torah debates

[Habakk]

It would appear that the reference to wool refers to wool from sheep or lambs and the reference to linen applies only to fibres from the flax plant. Mixing prohibition is known as shaatnez.

It seems reasonable that this material would be reserved for the holy purposes of the high priest for several reasons, given the types and shadows of the tabernacle.

 

[AnonUser2013]

My question is which laws do we yet maintain? It certainly cant be all of them, not possible. So is the law proponent simply to 'do his/her best'?

 

[bugkiller]

I think (not sure) but the certain colors of dyed materials are the indicator. And the term for twisted linen..
Ex 35:6 And blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen, and goats’ hair,
Ex 35:23 And every man, with whom was found blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen, and goats’ hair, and red skins of rams, and badgers’ skins, brought them.
Ex 35:26 And all the women whose heart stirred them up in wisdom spun goats’ hair.
Ex 36:14 And he made curtains of goats’ hair for the tent over the tabernacle: eleven curtains he made them.

It is a known fact historically the high priests vestments were of mixed fabrics according to Judaism.
Therefore the mixing of fabrics was seen in much the same way as the holy compound of annointing oil. The common people were not to make it for themselves or put it upon themselves. Because it was reserved as HOLY, for the holy ones and things.

I would need something to back up your assumed facts. I find nothing in the text that does so.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

My question is which laws do we yet maintain? It certainly cant be all of them, not possible. So is the law proponent simply to 'do his/her best'?

I read high level people in the early church say it is all of the law or none of the law. No pickin 'n choosin. Dat is fer string boxes only.

bugkiller

 

[AnonUser2013]

My other thread was locked. Ive been in HRM some years now and am re-evaulating.

 

[bugkiller]

If you don't tie it to such people can ignore it and those who demand it have invested too much to allow themselves to be ignored even to the point of rejecting parts of the bible that shows them as wrong.

I think the OP is or was an MJ now looking for the truth.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

The hebrew word used here is 'shesh'. It's translated as 'fine linen'. Strongs 08336

Is fine linen mixed fibers?

I take it as a list of items. The color items are not specified as to type of cloth IMHO. I think this was referred to as wool. I do not find justification to say it was or that there were mixed fiber cloths in the list. I think they were forbidden. So how could anyone have them?

bugkiller

 

[AnonUser2013]

Im starting to find debates about colors of linens almost petty compared to the BIG things of the Gospel. I don think I shall ever be able to eat ham again though.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

My question is which laws do we yet maintain? It certainly cant be all of them, not possible. So is the law proponent simply to 'do his/her best'?

The law is summed up in Romans 13. don't harm your neighbour.

the rest involves using the mind Christ gave you and the new heart that genuinely cares for people.

 

[annier]

I would need something to back up your assumed facts. I find nothing in the text that does so.

bugkiller

I already quoted for you from the temple institue. As well as the colors of the various materials. They are already making these things according to scripture. No Jew's are disputing their making them amiss of thier scriptures.

 

[AnonUser2013]

I know theres much richness to be found in the Scriptures and even in Torah, but theres just SO much focus on it, especially on this board. The trying to figure out what matters, what doesnt, the little details but even among MJs the debate is no different. I could be in a city with 5 congregations and they wont gel together because theres so many differences. Have we forgotten the 'weightier matters'?

And does the letter of the law detract from the Spirit of the Law?

 

[bugkiller]

I already quoted for you from the temple institue. As well as the colors of the various materials. They are already making these things according to scripture. No Jew's are disputing their making them amiss of thier scriptures.

The word wool does not appear in the text and mixed fiber cloth is forbidden by the law. So we have a no go.

bugkiller

 

[AnonUser2013]

Im sorry I make any of these posts...

 

[annier]

The word wool does not appear in the text and mixed fiber cloth is forbidden by the law. So we have a no go.

bugkiller

I quess the Jews had it wrong heh? Are you a scholar in Hebrew?

 

[annier]

And in the midst of TorahIsAMust versus TorahIsUselessTOday - is there some kind of middle ground that anyone follows? I mean for intsance, knowing there IS good stuff in Torah. For instance, no its not healthy to eat ham and yes its good to have 1 day of rest per week. But at the same time, not picking it apart and trying to scrutinize Torah and apply every aspect to their lifestyle/culture. I hope Im making sense.

Torah is not useless IMO. Moses Torah was given to a nation on this earth and for this life. All nations have laws, and the nation of Israel is no different. Torah is useful for that nation, and still is today.

 

[AnonUser2013]

But what about every other nation? Are we now Israel? Many say so. And would God now have a different standard for one nation separate from any other nation now that in Christ "there is neither Jew nor Gentile?"

 

[bugkiller]

I quess the Jews had it wrong heh? Are you a scholar in Hebrew?

I wish to know how you get wool from te text. According to the Hebrew text there is nothing to indicate wool.

No I am not a Hebrew scholar. I do know how to use Bible study aides though. Bible study aides are not commentaries or theoligical opinions of others. They can be very interesting and thought provoking though and have their place.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Torah is not useless IMO. Moses Torah was given to a nation on this earth and for this life. All nations have laws, and the nation of Israel is no different. Torah is useful for that nation, and still is today.

So who is saying the Torah (Law) is useless? I and others state and show the Torah is not binding on the Christian with Scripture.

bugkiller

 

[GladiatorforGod]

The BIG issue in this debate is SIN, and how the human race got into this mess and how humans beings can escape eternal death in the Lake of Fire, and instead be saved to eternal life. Sin is what got us into this mess, continuing in sin will surely lead to death, the Bible is very clear on that issue. Since, the 10 Commandments define sin, how in God's name can anyone think they can be a Christians and continue breaking the 10 Commandments?!

 

[annier]

So who is saying the Torah (Law) is useless? I and others state and show the Torah is not binding on the Christian with Scripture.

bugkiller

I agree nobody in my opinion is making the torah useless. But it is a charge always made by some individuals none the less. I was giving my take on it's usefulness. And I agree Moses Torah is not binding upon The Chrisitan Church.