Top Trump officials accidentally shared war plans with media

[NxNW]

Just FYI in case you're unfamiliar with Aryeh Jay's schtick - just imagine a huge /S after just about everything he posts, lol

Noted!

 

[NxNW]

"since it was more secure than the government-provided server"

no it wasn't. You have absolutely zero proof or technical expertise to even make that statement.

That was the whole reason Powell recommended it. It was never hacked, which is proof enough.

The Signal chat was hacked right and left, because their phones were copied when they traveled to foreign countries. They should have used burners, but no.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Just FYI in case you're unfamiliar with Aryeh Jay's schtick - just imagine a huge /S after just about everything he posts, lol

Good Sir,

It has come to my attention that you are attempting to slander my Good name. Please cease this assult on my Good reputation or I shall be forced to bring it to the attention of my solicitor and the high court.

Good day.
Aryeh Jay Esq.

 

[Yarddog]

Not when the ruler holds a clear mandate from an overwhelming majority of Americans.

Biden's not in office anymore. Obama is not in office anymore. They won big but Trump has never received 50% of the vote, so he can't be who you're talking about.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Good Sir,

It has come to my attention that you are attempting to slander my Good name. Please cease this assult on my Good reputation or I shall be forced to bring it to the attention of my solicitor and the high court.

Good day.
Aryeh Jay Esq.

My sincerest apologies, good Sir. It was certainly not my intent to besmirch your good name or reputation. Please accept my most humble apology and know that I will work to help members further understand your majestic sensibilities within these forums forthwith.

Forever humbled
Ibanezerscrooge, ABC. de. F. GhI. JkL. MNOP...

 

[Aryeh Jay]

My sincerest apologies, good Sir. It was certainly not my intent to besmirch your good name or reputation. Please accept my most humble apology and know that I will work to help members further understand your majestic sensibilities within these forums forthwith.

Forever humbled
Ibanezerscrooge, ABC. de. F. GhI. JkL. MNOP...

Very well, I shall send a telegram to my solicitor and have him stop the litigation. I shall expect a response from him within a fortnight.

I have the honor to be your most obedient servant.

AJ

 

[Pommer]

well he may not have to report to anyone at the Atlantic

but the issue here is: was it ethical or even legal for him to stay in a Signal chat room to which he was "accidentally" invited (if that is indeed what happened) and then to screen cap sensitive, or even classified, information, and store it on an unmonitored, unregulated device--for a month?

he basically went full-cowboy on this to get a scoop --which he did.

and made a national security problem a much bigger problem, or potentially a disaster, had his phone been compromised, left in an airport, or the screen caps viewed by a malicious party

and these are just some of the issues regarding this whole thing. Now people are speculating that this goes much deeper:
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Journalist has the biggest National Security faux-pas story fall into his lap, (was he unethical in how he obtained it!?).
Pfft.

 

[Merrill]

That was the whole reason Powell recommended it. It was never hacked, which is proof enough.

The Signal chat was hacked right and left, because their phones were copied when they traveled to foreign countries. They should have used burners, but no.

I work in IT security

email, by its every nature, it not "secure", especially MS Exchange servers you stick in your basement, that are not centrally managed, properly patched, monitored, or expertly maintained. No company is going too let you put your own home-brew server in your basement because you don't feel like using the established servers

we don't know if her server was "hacked" or compromised

"her server was more secure"! is an absurd statement not backed up by any facts or evidence

 

[NxNW]

I work in IT security

email, by its every nature, it not "secure", especially MS Exchange servers you stick in your basement, that are not centrally managed, properly patched, monitored, or expertly maintained. No company is going too let you put your own home-brew server in your basement because you don't feel like using the established servers

The government is not a company.

we don't know if her server was "hacked" or compromised

If it had been, we'd know it by now.

"her server was more secure"! is an absurd statement not backed up by any facts or evidence

That's the whole reason Powell recommended it. But I said that already.

 

[DaisyDay]

well he may not have to report to anyone at the Atlantic

but the issue here is: was it ethical or even legal for him to stay in a Signal chat room to which he was "accidentally" invited (if that is indeed what happened) and then to screen cap sensitive, or even classified, information, and store it on an unmonitored, unregulated device--for a month?

he basically went full-cowboy on this to get a scoop --which he did.

and made a national security problem a much bigger problem, or potentially a disaster, had his phone been compromised, left in an airport, or the screen caps viewed by a malicious party

and these are just some of the issues regarding this whole thing. Now people are speculating that this goes much deeper:
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He had been assured by several credentialed people testifying under oath that nothing in the chat was classified, top intelligence people who really should know as they were in said chat. As for staying, he is a journalist; he was invited by a principal; he didn't think it was real at first.

What is unethical about exposing an egregious security lapse - well after the disclosure could have affected the operation?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

The government is not a company.

If it had been, we'd know it by now.

That's the whole reason Powell recommended it. But I said that already.

General Powell's reputation as a good and loyal Republican has changed since then.

 

[DaisyDay]

I work in IT security

Whoop.

email, by its every nature, it not "secure", especially MS Exchange servers you stick in your basement, that are not centrally managed, properly patched, monitored, or expertly maintained. No company is going too let you put your own home-brew server in your basement because you don't feel like using the established servers

So what makes you think that her server was not properly patched, monitored and maintained? IT was not her grandkids fiddling around in the basement.

we don't know if her server was "hacked" or compromised

"her server was more secure"! is an absurd statement not backed up by any facts or evidence

The probability that Clinton's server was hacked seems increasingly unlikely the more years that go by with nary a single hacked email surfacing, while we know that the State Department's was hacked because they announced it.

 

[Desk trauma]

Israeli officials furious that Signal group chat exposed intelligence, sources say​

Washington — Israeli officials are furious over the Signal chat leakinvolving senior Trump administration officials because it included sensitive intelligence Israel provided to the U.S. from a human intelligence source in Yemen, CBS News has learned.




May need more than an aide to fall on their sword now that people who matter are upset.

 

[Pommer]

“Let’s share this timely, vital and highly sensitive information with the Americans!”—No other nations, anymore.

 

[wing2000]

“Let’s share this timely, vital and highly sensitive information with the Americans!”—No other nations, anymore.

...this is where the real damage to US national security will occur. No nation will risk their sources to share intel with the US.

And I suspect senior US military leaders will think twice when it comes to briefing the Secretary of Defense and his cadre in the Pentagon.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I don't buy it

Alex Wong is a Harvard grad and not some dope.

I'll take your word on his alma mater, but it doesn't preclude him being a dope.

Waltz and all the others are trained and briefed in national security and have to follow protocols (although some may have been broken here)

And yet they were using a commercial app (likely on personal phones) for sensitive discussions.

the whole "well everyone is just stupid, nothing to see here, let's move on" position amounts to putting your head in the sand.

We shouldn't stop looking. What else are they discussing on unsecure devices/apps?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I'll take your word on his alma mater, but it doesn't preclude him being a dope.

I know someone who graduated from a somewhat famous business school and they are a dope.

 

[Pommer]

I know someone who graduated from a somewhat famous business school and they are a dope.

Wharton’s?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Wharton’s?

No, The Kelly School of Business, my daughter.