Top 2 reasons why man evolved from prior life.

[Justatruthseeker]

You need to re read your sources. Hybridisation doors not produce new variation, only introduces it.

You have no justification for the source of genetic diversity amongst species and sub species because you have a personal desire to disbelieve in mutation.

Says those who think transcribing what already exists incorrectly makes something new.....

Taking an already existing sequence and copying it in a new order creates nothing that didn’t already exist as a possibility to begin with....

Maybe you should take a look at your belief and personal desire to believe copying something that already exists makes something new.

If the possibility did not already exist to begin with, it could not be arrived at through copy errors.....

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Says those who think transcribing what already exists incorrectly makes something new.....

??? You think an incorrect transcription doesn't make something new?

If the possibility did not already exist to begin with, it could not be arrived at through copy errors.....

There's an awful lot of possibilities, most of which didn't show up. Look, you are not making a lot of sense here. Your tautologies don't seem to connect to what you want to assert.

 

[Shemjaza]

Says those who think transcribing what already exists incorrectly makes something new.....

Taking an already existing sequence and copying it in a new order creates nothing that didn’t already exist as a possibility to begin with....

Maybe you should take a look at your belief and personal desire to believe copying something that already exists makes something new.

If the possibility did not already exist to begin with, it could not be arrived at through copy errors.....

If I have the phrase:
"I saw a cat."
And it gets miscopied as:
"I saw a bat."
There, new message, not found in the original.

Simple example, but it works fine with the string of chemicals in DNA.

Do you have an explanation for the origin of genetic diversity yet? Or is magic parallel genomes your go-to still?

 

[Brightmoon]

“ Magic parallel genomes “
Precisely!

 

[xianghua]

Exactly. Since the pig insulin works in humans, and yet is different

of course its different, since a pig insulin is more fit with a pig than human. pig insulin has some features that make it a little more fit with a pig. and this is why they are different. a truck wheel may fit with a car too. but it will be better if the car will have its specific wheel.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

of course its different, since a pig insulin is more fit with a pig than human. pig insulin has some features that make it a little more fit with a pig. and this is why they are different. a truck wheel may fit with a car too. but it will be better if the car will have its specific wheel.

There's nothing wrong with pig insulin helping a human diabetic except that, being slightly different, some people can get to be allergic to it. Cow insulin the same thing. Its more like seeing "michelin" on the side of the tire instead of "firestone".

 

[Justatruthseeker]

??? You think an incorrect transcription doesn't make something new?

Not in the least. That possibility already existed to begin with.

There's an awful lot of possibilities, most of which didn't show up. Look, you are not making a lot of sense here. Your tautologies don't seem to connect to what you want to assert.

Oh I am making perfect sense, you just don’t like where it is going so make irrelevant statements.

Every possibility, whether it shows up now or 10,000 years from now already exists in the genome. It could not be copied from something that didn’t exist to begin with.

Your arguments against accepting the truth are null and void.

 

[tas8831]

Please read.

List the top 2 reasons why man MUST have evolved from a primate or X rather than specially created by God. /quote]

This is a rather loaded proposition, don't you think?

There is NO reason that anything "MUST have evolved."

There are multiple lines of evidence indicating that humans DID evolved, and no evidence at all that anything was created by a tribal deity a few thousand years ago.

Is that sufficient?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Not in the least.

Your multiple lines of evidence all lead back to a claimed common ancestor that is missing on any evolutionary line you care to discuss.

Convienently we have before and after, but just can’t seem to find anything where these magical splits occurred.... changing one onto the other....

 

[tas8831]

It looks to me like these muscles help stabilize the ear-to-surrounding-tissue connection, and are therefore quite useful.

I'll bet these muscles send motor impulses to the larynx via the aorta to the RLN, too?

 

[tas8831]

Not in the least.

Your multiple lines of evidence all lead back to a claimed common ancestor that is missing on any evolutionary line you care to discuss.

Convienently we have before and after, but just can’t seem to find anything where these magical splits occurred.... changing one onto the other....

And these magical splits from inbred middle easterners creating Africans - evidence please.

Going to misrepresent the Grant paper some more?

Going to conflate continuous variation with mutations again?

Going to claim additive genetic variance means that hybridization creates new 'allies'?

I am curious - who exactly do you think you are impressing with your continual gaffes and errors?

 

[Sanoy]

This is a rather loaded proposition, don't you think?

Yeah its deliberately loaded. This isnt a "prove your world view" thread. It's a 'help me model my view of this particular verse' thread.

I am also hoping to keep this thread nice and civil, so lets keep conversation toward those ends.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Every possibility, whether it shows up now or 10,000 years from now already exists in the genome. It could not be copied from something that didn’t exist to begin with.
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OK you just deny there ever is a mutation, and therefore all the variation we see today had to exist from the beginning. But that's impossible given a single man and woman as the beginning . . . the amount of variation is simply more than could exist in just two individual humans. Did Adam or Eve, either one, have the genetic variation to digest milk as an adult? Which one of the several such variations that currently exist? What about genetic variation for getting more oxygen at high altitude, as found in some populations today? What eye color variations did they have? What blood type variations did they have? Go ahead, explain how they could have all the varieties within them that we see today in humans.

 

[Brightmoon]

Not in the least.

Your multiple lines of evidence all lead back to a claimed common ancestor that is missing on any evolutionary line you care to discuss.

Convienently we have before and after, but just can’t seem to find anything where these magical splits occurred.... changing one onto the other....

So you think insert magic supernatural silly explanations works better than evolution.
I Gotcha, no problem! it’s that you never explain how this magic supernatural insertion that you call God actually created even a single unicellular organism or even a virus . And without that being answered what you’ve posited isn’t science or even scientific.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Convienently we have before and after, but just can’t seem to find anything where these magical splits occurred.... changing one onto the other....

The only convenient thing here is you ignoring when you've been corrected. I have pointed out the error of this assertion, yet you continue to make it. That's very poor form on your part and borders on trolling.

Please stop making this assertion until you have something to support it.

 

[Jimmy D]

The only convenient thing here is you ignoring when you've been corrected. I have pointed out the error of this assertion, yet you continue to make it. That's very poor form on your part and borders on trolling.

Borders?!?!?!

That's very charitable of you.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Borders?!?!?!

That's very charitable of you.

We have to make allowances for chronic memory loss, lack of understanding or social unawareness.

 

[xianghua]

There's nothing wrong with pig insulin helping a human diabetic except that, being slightly different, some people can get to be allergic to it.

here you go. at least for this specific point. human insulin fit naturally with human and a pig insulin fit naturally with a pig.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

here you go. at least this specific point. human insulin fit naturally with human and a pig insulin fit naturally with a pig.

But they could have been identical and no one would ever care. There's no reason for the slight difference. Its just a case of genetic drift. It suffices to argue against a common designer who uses the same template in making animals when it is convenient.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

And these magical splits from inbred middle easterners creating Africans - evidence please.

Going to misrepresent the Grant paper some more?

Going to conflate continuous variation with mutations again?

Going to claim additive genetic variance means that hybridization creates new 'allies'?

I am curious - who exactly do you think you are impressing with your continual gaffes and errors?

They do create new alleles, you just wont accept the truth in that or anything else. But fanatics never do.

Your very quote you chose to introduce for some odd reason.

"""We may add one more difference between a mutated allele and one introduced by hybridization. The mutated allele has been altered randomly, whereas the one introduced by hybridization has been shaped by natural selection, albeit in a differentiated genome (deleterious mutations have been purged and any beneficial mutations gone to fixation by selection). Intuitively, I would therefore think that an allele introduced by hybridization on average is more likely to do something good for the organism it enters than a mutated one.""

You can make all the claims you want, but they just told you alleles were created by mating.

The rest of your claims are just as erroneous.