Tongues

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

I would like evidence to show that the Devil has any control over a believers actions, after all we are promised that no weapon formed against us shall prosper. The way the scripture reads it is not from the Devil, it is in fact a gift of the Holy Spirit being used incorrectly by fallible humans. The gift of tongues is never once said to come from Satan and to say otherwise is adding to scripture.

 

[TasManOfGod]

I would like evidence to show that the Devil has any control over a believers actions, after all we are promised that no weapon formed against us shall prosper. The way the scripture reads it is not from the Devil, it is in fact a gift of the Holy Spirit being used incorrectly by fallible humans. The gift of tongues is never once said to come from Satan and to say otherwise is adding to scripture.

The spirit and soul of man are two different
Speaking in tongues originates from the Holy Spirit which resides in the spirit
The soul incorporates the mind, will, emotions, and intellect .
If the soul of man came into perfection at conversion christians would never sin and there would be no need for the instruction "cast down all vain imaginations"
The truth is that God does not control man's will and if he wills his spirit to speak in tongues he will whether the Holy Spirit agrees that he should or not

 

[Tenorvoice]

I personaly know of a certain evengalist that was to be doing a revival @ a certain denomination that belives that you need to talk in tounges before you are truly saved. Well when he got there he recited John 3:16 to them in the original Greek text and then asked them what he just said. One man stood up in the back and told him somehting totaly off the wall and when he did the speaker said and I quote: "that is a down right lie from the pits of Hell" He walked out and has never been to that church ever again.



The only kind of tounge that I personaly belive that we are to have is the tounge of the Holy Spirit when we pray. For it says things that we could never say to God the Father and already says them for us before we can even think them.



Just my opinion tho'



peace

 

[CJF]

Read this

"4He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself"

Do you think it is OK to edify yourself?

"but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues,[4] unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified."

Paul wants the Church to be edified.

"9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air."

In other words that type of tongues is from the devil. "just speaking into the air"


"13For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says"


"23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand[7] or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind?"



There are just a few verses to show that we must use this gift the right way and not to make fools of ourselves.

Symes, if toungues were of the devil it wouldn't be one of the spiritual gifts. What about when you're alone in your room and you feel an urge to pray but you don't know what to pray? That's when toungues comes in. When you're alone and you feel an urge to pray, but you don't know what for speak in toungues. Because, since it is a HEAVENLY LANGUAGE, what you speak comes out the way God wants it to. In THAT case, you don't need to know what you're praying. Yes, you can pray for an interpretation, but it doens't NEED to be there. Now, if you are among other Christians on a Sunday morning service, and you speak out in tounges then ther MUST be an interpretation.

 

[CJF]

Doctrine !!!!!
My mental health is perfect and I speak in tongues !
My church practices tongues and we are in the beginning of a revival.
There has been a revival in Pensecola for years now and they practice tongues. Come on guys, your opinion is not "your opinion", its your doctrines opinion ! Thats whats wrong with people nowadays, they are afraid of change. They are afraid that people will look at them funny, God's is looking for people they will do the crazy for Him, not the norm. People of faith !! He is not a God of tradition. The reason you have not received tongues is because you have not submitted yourselves to God, if you would have you would allow God to use you in whatever way. You are probably going to say "I have submitted myself", but take a look at yourselves and study the WORD.....not other peoples beliefs !!!!


Obviously not all people who speak in tongues are mentally ill, but I do think they are susceptable to a certain psychological pressure, which creates this phenomenon. I believe it can be all explained away in psychological terms and God doesn't come into it anywhere. I witnessed this as a child and it was unpleasant and frightening, just as I would find a witch doctor dancing around his pile of bones or whatever, alarming. I don't think there is any difference in the two actions, just the interpretation that is put on them!

Wow. Sorry, but I DISAGREE with that. There is NO VERSE WHATSOEVER in the Bible that backs this up. In fact, the Bible says JUST THE OPPOSTIE! Read 1 Corninthians chapter 12. It lists all of the spiritual gifts that Christians can reciveve and TOUNGUES IN ONE OF THEM.

 

[TasManOfGod]

Read this

"4He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself"

Do you think it is OK to edify yourself?

"but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues,[4] unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified."

Paul wants the Church to be edified.

"9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air."

In other words that type of tongues is from the devil. "just speaking into the air"


"13For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says"


"23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand[7] or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind?"



There are just a few verses to show that we must use this gift the right way and not to make fools of ourselves.

I don't think it is the ones who do speak in tongues who make fools of themselves

 

[Symes]

I don't think it is the ones who do speak in tongues who make fools of themselves

Then who are the ones making fools of themselves?

 

[Tangnefedd]

From my experience of witnessing folk speaking in tongues, I found it unpleasant and not in the least bit spiritually uplifting, quite the opposite in fact!

Another 'gift' of the spirit is healing. A healer came to our Pentecostal church when I was 13 years old. I was due to have an eye operation the next day. My parents urged me to seek healing from this man. I just knew that it wasn't right and refused to attend church that day, let alone have this chap go any where near me. I preferred to go through the pain of the operation than submit to something that felt SO wrong to me. Fortunately my parents were wise enough to go along with my wishes, or our relationship would have been damaged!

I think you can be a Christian without going in for some of these 'spectaculars'!

 

[Symes]

I think you can be a Christian without going in for some of these 'spectaculars'!

Spot on.

 

[TasManOfGod]

Then who are the ones making fools of themselves?

The ones who don't and try to instruct the ones who do - how to

 

[masnergy]

First I would like to say hi and introduce myself. I am a Christian from Illinois in America. I grew up in a Catholic family and never knew the real Jesus. I went through a rough life with drugs and others problems. I was then introduced to a Pentacostal church. I was immediately moved by the spirit, however when I heard the tounges being spoken I thought the same as the (I believe they were pharisees) did when they heard the people speaking in tounges, thinking they were drunk. I had no idea what to think. There are still occasions when I question what is truly going on. However, I have found myself to speak in tongues while in extreme times of worship, praise, and prayer. I never asked for the gift, and I don't just do it all the time. But when I was baptized in the spirit, I know I sounded like an idiot, but I don't care, because I know what was being prayed, and so does He. Tongues are not a nessecary element of salvation, and they are definately not from the devil. Though I do hope that you all long to be closer to your savior, which may include tongues, and it's senseless to resist, because you've been taught, or even believe that it is wrong. I'm not a thumper, so my scripture may be lacking, but my experiences are not. Thank you and God bless

 

[CJF]

The ones who don't and try to instruct the ones who do - how to

AMEN!!

 

[Symes]

First I would like to say hi and introduce myself. I am a Christian from Illinois in America. I grew up in a Catholic family and never knew the real Jesus. I went through a rough life with drugs and others problems. I was then introduced to a Pentacostal church. I was immediately moved by the spirit, however when I heard the tounges being spoken I thought the same as the (I believe they were pharisees) did when they heard the people speaking in tounges, thinking they were drunk. I had no idea what to think. There are still occasions when I question what is truly going on. However, I have found myself to speak in tongues while in extreme times of worship, praise, and prayer. I never asked for the gift, and I don't just do it all the time. But when I was baptized in the spirit, I know I sounded like an idiot, but I don't care, because I know what was being prayed, and so does He. Tongues are not a nessecary element of salvation, and they are definately not from the devil. Though I do hope that you all long to be closer to your savior, which may include tongues, and it's senseless to resist, because you've been taught, or even believe that it is wrong. I'm not a thumper, so my scripture may be lacking, but my experiences are not. Thank you and God bless.

I would like to know what was said when you were speaking in tongues

 

[RhetorTheo]

There have been studies done on "speaking in tongues," and they are not speaking in foreign languages. Rather, they are making sounds that sound foreign to them.

 

[RhetorTheo]

Symes, if toungues were of the devil it wouldn't be one of the spiritual gifts.

You are aware that religions across the world have people who "speak in tongues"?

 

[TasManOfGod]

Those who speak in tongues that IS a known foreign language are actually partaking in one of the " gifts" namely - diversity of tongues (which is meant for the benefit of other than the believer) and should not be confused in operation or character with tongues used for self edification

 

[Symes]

There have been studies done on "speaking in tongues," and they are not speaking in foreign languages. Rather, they are making sounds that sound foreign to them.

Do they know or can someone interpret what is being said?

If there is no one to interpret then they should not speak according to Paul.

 

[masnergy]

I would like to know what was said when you were speaking in tongues

I will tell you honestly that I was in prayer, and yes it was sorta weird to me, because I could hear what I was saying, and it was not anything i've ever learned or ever said before. However, I could feel the connection with God, and my understanding of what I was saying was of praises, and of repentance. My sins were so deep within me, that I didn't even know some of them, and I believe that the Holy Spirit was there intercessing for me. I'm not a theorist or even a bible thumper, but I know what I felt, and experienced. I have since spoke in tounges, when I was at loss of words, and I did not just mumble a bunch of nonsense. That would be easy to do and easily percieved that way. I was somehow just an instrument at those times, I was not the one speaking. The only explanation to me is that it was the Holy Spirit, because I know that satan would not be praising and repenting to God. I don't know if you even care what I'm saying Symes, but you should not shun something because you do not completely understand it, or have your oppinion of something, and not listen to reason. I'm not telling you that you are evil or anything, just that I know there are people who will argue about raising hands in church, or openly praising Jesus in service, or agreeing with the pastor, but they are scripturally backed. Just remember that just because you do not understand something, it doesn't make it wrong. I also have a question that I hope someone can answer for me, I've heard of a holy language, I'm not sure if there is any scriptural backing or if its just made up, but can someone elaborate on it for me, to if it's backed, or if they've ever heard it, or if it's not even backed.

 

[TasManOfGod]

You are aware that religions across the world have people who "speak in tongues"?

That wouldn't surprise me. Apparently there are some religions that say their "messiah" was he one that died for all mankind.
Satan is the deceiver and master counterfeitor but God has given us victory over him so that we are more than conquorers Hallelujah

God bless

 

[masnergy]

That wouldn't surprise me. Apparently there are some religions that say their "messiah" was he one that died for all mankind.
Satan is the deceiver and master counterfeitor but God has given us victory over him so that we are more than conquorers Hallelujah

God bless