tongues? (not debate)

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..and they did! No argument there. However, note: "languages". (Fulfilled and described in Acts 2)



All prayer is spiritual. If it was carnal it wouldn't be prayer. However, this text says nothing of a private prayer language, does it? Furthermore, Paul is not commending the practice, but cautioning about its pitfalls.


My spirit prays with tongues too- usually English, sometimes Latin, Chinese or Swedish, depending on the church service or who I'm with.

I challenge any pente to show me that the orthodox understanding of these texts is of a) a private prayer language and b) that it continued thoughout the history of the church and c) that this is the understanding passed down from the Apostles to us.

So, Fiskare agrees with Paul, Jesus, and of course the church of 2000 years.

The stretching of these meanings is so extreme that this post does not even deserve a response. The twisting and ignoring of plain words is so far from common sense that the arguments defeat themselves. Nuff said.
Your challenge will go ignored by me... If you do not believe the plain words of Jesus and Paul.... what hope have we to convince you?

 

[tigersnare]

I have a question that was given to me...what was the purpose of speaking in tounges?

I agree with Fisk.

 

[tigersnare]

WARNING:
But the Lord wants a "BROKEN PERSON" one completely uncaring of how others think of him, one who seeks without care, the power and glory of the creator.

Agreed, many proverbs and Jesus quotes pertaining to the approval of man....worthless.

Tounges is ODD, NOT NATURAL, COUNTERINTUITIVE, it IS a test, a REAL test of your willingness to follow the ENTIRE RULEBOOK, as set forth by the Apostle Paul.

Is it really? Where does Paul or Jesus for that matter test my willingness to walk with God and live by the bible, by "tounges"? I'm pretty sure tounges is a gift from the Holy Spirit, you are either given it or you or not.

If you have courage, are completely submissive to the full desire to invite IN and have the USE OF, the Holy Spirit, you DO. Just DO. Do it without reservations.

Wait, do I have use of the Holy Spirit when I fully desire and invite it in......

Or does it have use of me? Am I using God, or is he using me?

Get down on your knees, pray verbally, suck in your gut, and make those silly sounds that the Holy Spirit will put into your mouth.

Silly Sounds? Do those "sounds" serve a purpose? I'm just curious.

But, unless you are willing, brave, unworried about the foolishness of this, you will never, ever experience the full INDWELLING of the HS, and your prayer life will be constrained.

Is that so? So If I don't "suck in your gut, and make those silly sounds that the Holy Spirit will put into your mouth" I will never experience the full indwelling of the HS, and my prayer life will be constrained?

Show me scripture that says that!

Are you a BRAVE broken Christian or not?

You are joking or not?

 

[Fiskare]

The stretching of these meanings is so extreme that this post does not even deserve a response. The twisting and ignoring of plain words is so far from common sense that the arguments defeat themselves. Nuff said.
Your challenge will go ignored by me... If you do not believe the plain words of Jesus and Paul.... what hope have we to convince you?

Why don't pentes everwant to discuss theology?

Didas...I don't mean to insult your intelligence, but please, try reading the Bible exegetically. Rather than interpret (cast or ascribe a meaning on to it) try putting what you have been led to believe about it aside and pull the text apart, for yourself, in depth.

The point I am making is simple-

a) No where does the Bible say that the gift of languages is given for private prayer. The text you cite is taught in the context of public worship. It's not an appraisal of the usage of tongues, but a caution against the abuse of the gift in public worship.

b) No where does the Bible say the gift of languages is not an actual language. "Tongues" means "languages", not gibberish. There is a difference. Look it up yourself if you don't believe me. Example- German is a language. It contains syntax and meaning. Repetition of a syllable or three over and over is not a language. By definition, that would be gibberish (look it up!), and even if it feels good, it still doesn't fit the Biblical criteria.

c) The Bible describes what the gift sounds like- read Acts 2, and even check out the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15, verse 8 in particular)

So, excuse those of us that see it this way of being a little dismayed when we see people coaching someone into speaking in tongues the modern way!

I was dissapointed to see the usual pente response, I must admit. However, to your credit, you didn't give the usual "you're a pharisee, saducee, wouldn't see and couldn't see" that these "spirit filled" people usually do.

I look for the fruit of the Spirit before the gifts (1 Cor 13), because those charisms help get you to heaven.

The gift of tongues can be faked. Muslim sufis do it. Hindu priests do it. Satanists do it. However, not one of those cults can ever claim to have received the Spirit of God with the authentic gift of languages, that is, speaking a real language fluently and immediately without instruction. None of those cults can claim to have the greater gifts of Faith, Hope and Love. That's the stumbling block for them. All Christians can receive the greater gifts from the Spirit, but not all will or have in the past recieved the lesser gifts. 1 Cor 13.

 

[Andre]

This is the conclusion I got from reading the Bible, Tongues are a spiritual gift, so you must receive ir from God, I believe you can desire to have it and ask God for it, but He will only give it to you if it's apropriate, not everyone will receive it, you might receive other gifts, but it comes to God to judge what gifts you will receive. I belong to a Baptist church, but I do believe that the Gifts are for today.