Tongue speaking Non-Denominational churches

[tturt]

Hi Fred. Good to see you again. Boidae, your wife might want to do a study on tongues and again ask Yahweh to help her. There's a book Overcoming Hindrances To Receiving the Baptism of The Holy Spirit written by John Osteen.

Well, there's a diversities of tongues (I Cor 12;6, 10, 28) from Yahweh (Mat 7:11; I Cor 12:4). The purposes of tongues include edifiication for the believer (I Cor 14:44) and for the church - tongues with interpretation (I Cor 14:5, 27-28). Additional purposes of speaking in tongues such as:
- Builds up our faith and keep ourselves in the love of God. Jude 1: 20-21
- Magnifies God. Acts 10:46
-pray in The Spirit I Cor 14:14; Ephesians 6:18; Rom 8:26-27; 1 Corinthians 14:2, 4,15; ETC (There's a book 70 Reasons for Speaking in Tongues by Bill Hamon - I haven't read it for thought I would post since it's available).

When the groups listed in Scripture received it, it states they all received:
1[FONT=&quot]--[/FONT]-On the day of Pentecost in the upper room: "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance" (Acts 2:4) which included women (Acts 1:14).*
2- ---At Cornelius’ house filled with friends and family who were baptized. ”While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God." Acts 10:44-46*
3- ---The Disciples of Ephesus "He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.” 6”And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. 7 And all the men were about twelve." Acts 19:2*

* - no unbelievers present.

Plus the group where it doesn't say all received is on the day of Pentecost, not in the Upper Room, where there were mockers of tongues but some of the 3,000 did (Acts 2:13, 38, 41).

Also, tongues are a sign to unbelievers of believers (I Cor 14:22; Mark 16:17). So it indicates all believers plus I Cor 14:5 Also, not sure how they can be a sign if they're not spoken in church. Though they're to be done decent and in order.
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verse 27-28 say:"If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.2But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God."

The Scripture is about tongues with interpretation for church edification. This means that the tongues for interpretation is given at the most two or three times then stopped when there is no interpretation.

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"Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?"

This Scripture is referring to the gifts of healing and speaking in tongues with interpretation. Just like every believer doesn't have the gifts of healing, not every believer is going to have the gift of tongues with interpretation for the church.

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There is another Scripture I'm still looking for.
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Ultimately - A gift from Him, for Him.

 

[apostle burley]

Yes speaking in tongues is scripture and should be use in away that do not offend, beside it edify the one praying in tongues by faith.GODBLESS

 

[tturt]

Welcome to the forums btw.

But I'm not sure that tongues will never offend. Otherwise, there wouldn't be half these threads.

Plus folks get offended sometimes when we share the gospel with them or even when we offer to pray for them. Oh, I don't mean to imply that just unbelievers get offended because believers are very easy to get offended imo. I've seen one tear and on other occasion one amen offend.

 

[CityOfGod]

apostle burley

Who are you an apostle of? Surely not Jesus Christ, he hasn't been around for 2,000 years to send apostles.

 

[tturt]

" But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:" Eph 4

"And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues." I Cor 12:28

Some of us believe these Scriptures. If you don't, that's your choice. Our interpretation of these Scripture is He did and still does have apostles.

Apostle Burley, I apologize and assure you that there are some on the forums who study and have mature discussions. Again welcome to the forums.

 

[NickCamp]

Just wanted to share that my father had spoken in tongues one night when he was thinking about God intensely. He also wasn't and isn't very spiritual although he was thinking about God. He told me it scared him more than a lot of things he's experienced. He had no idea what he was saying and that he couldn't stop it. It went on for about five minutes. Thought it was interesting.

 

[FredVB]

Thanks Tturt for responding. There should not be offense aimed at another among true Christians in communication. There should be truth and grace communicated. I myself do not have something to say against the gift of tongues from Yahweh God. It would not appear with distracting, interfering, distracting, competing or replacing the gospel of Christ for salvation, which is what is really important, but what is said to be that often does. I disagree that what was meant was that there need be no interpretation unless there are more than three speaking with that gift, there would be way too much interfering distraction with that. Rather it would mean there should always be interpretation made in such a gathering, and that no more than two or three would speak with the gift.

The cases where it was said all spoke with tongues are unique cases, where the gospel was received by people in new circumstances where some might contest whether these sort of people were counting as true believers who were now in Christ. There would still have been languages of other people miraculously spoken with that gift. The case of those converted to Christ in Acts 2 are not actually said to speak with this gift, they were promised to receive the gift of the Spirit of God, this promise in scripture for all who become real Christian believers.

 

[tturt]

sorry still didnt communicate the interpretation as I meant - not three individuals but 2 - 3 tongues for interpretation is usually spoken by 1 believer. There is a distinctive diifference between tongues spoken for interpretation and others. Have you ever been in services where Yahweh spoke that way? If so, you probably know what I'm referring to.

 

[FredVB]

sorry still didnt communicate the interpretation as I meant - not three individuals but 2 - 3 tongues for interpretation is usually spoken by 1 believer. There is a distinctive diifference between tongues spoken for interpretation and others. Have you ever been in services where Yahweh spoke that way? If so, you probably know what I'm referring to.

Hi Tturt, since you asked, I have not from what I remember been in a service in which something like this was happening, although I had been going to a church that was Charismatic and from teaching for it that may have occurred. My own experience, a long time ago I was taught by a few for this and was believing it for myself, but was not comfortable ultimately that I was seeing something that was really from Yahweh. This is not saying anything about where or when it is ever there, but from what I have learned, I have certain expectations.

 

[tturt]

A lot of emphasis is put on tongues within the church and let's set aside for now about what we think about others speaking in tongues. Instead let's look at tongues for us as believers which some refer to as our private prayer language.

We know that G_d gives good gifts (Matt 7:11). Fred I know you well enough to know that you wouldn't consider tongues as a spiritual badge nor do I. When looking at their purposes, we know that Yahweh wouldn't select just one group of believers to speak in tongues. But let's just say there's only one group that's meant to speak in tongues. Wouldn't we want to in this group to glorify Him (John 15:26), help pray in the spirit to Him (I cor 14), magnify Him (Acts 10:47), helps keep us in the love of God (Jude 1:20-21), etc. There's a book Seventy Reasons to Speak in Tongues. For me just one of these purposes is reason enough.

No, tongues aren't meant to replace the salvation message. One Biblical example of the boldness from speaking in tongues is Peter. I mean just about a month before he didn't want anyone to know He was Yeshua's disciple. After receiving tongues, he speaks to 3,000 folks about Yeshua and urged them to repent (Acts 2:38; 4:31).

 

[Alithis]

i always find it interesting that the folk who are Quick to bring up the "rules" governing the gifts are more often the not the ones who have not yet experienced this gift.

I have this gift ..it is A GIFT . i did not qualify for it - i asked for it to be honest - and i received it . because the Lord Jesus said if we ask believing ,we will receive .

maybe there is something in the term -"receiving", many ask .. but then when what they ask for is given , they don't accept the package? maybe ? im not sure .
all i know is the Lord Jesus said what ever you ask in my name according to my will, i will do it .
I believe a lot of folk got baptized in the holy Spirit and spoke in tongues wondering what just happened .

i know the parables about seeking the lost pearl etc are not directly related to the gifts of the Spirit - but in essence the principles are . the Holy Spirit is MOST PRECIOUS and is sent from the heart of the father to make known to us the things of God and glorify the lord Jesus .. i feel at times that people can be a little "blah uninterested " ..they do not seek these things as one would seek a great pearl of great price .
these thing ARE of the "Kingdom of God" and those parables are about finding that Kingdom.
Seek them as you would something that is so precious to you that you WILL NOT stop looking ,until you find it .Something that is so precious to you that you will forsake everything else until you find it .

don't seek it in such an offhanded way as to say "well i went to church and this guy prayed for me and nothing happened so -oh well"-

consider this thought - what mighty KING would give of his most precious jewels to a person who will treat them with such disdain as to say "look how shiny they are ".. then when they get home - throw them on the shelf to grow dusty ?

 

[FredVB]

With being Christian, I and others too can see the greatest thing is coming to Yahweh God and the salvation in Jesus Christ that is the gospel for us. This is Yahweh's love for us bringing us to have godly love. This is the most precious for us. Any distraction from that is, in ultimate truth, undesirable.

There is belief in prayer language for some, I would not say anything about it but that I do not know about this from scripture. Coming to God is so important for us nothing should be in the way of that, and in Christ we can talk with God even our heavenly Father just as ourselves, made clean for it in him.

Is having a gift of speaking with tongues for all? As with healing, or as it was for Paul when beseeching Yahweh God to be delivered from what he called the thorn in his flesh, the answer is no. We are assured that we will have the Spirit of God with us as much as we sincerely ask for, and wisdom with that, but not that we would get anything we ask for surely not as many things are just not for us. We are to learn to trust Yahweh for the good things that he will give us, and yes, we can still ask for things as we seek his will.

Peter was emboldened, with that he, and other disciples of Christ as well, preached the gospel of Christ from the coming of the Spirit of God to dwell within, not from having spoken with the gift for that in tongues, which were the various languages of the listeners unknown to the disciples.