tom delay ... going down in flames

[tollytee]

He's been in ethical trouble before. Once a corrupt politician, always a corrupt politican.

Isn't this the Clinton Doctrine?

Shouldn't it apply to all politicians? Like Hillary (Rose Law, Whitewater, Cattle Futures) and Teddy (dead girl at bottom of bay), etc., as well as Delay, Gingrich, etc.?

 

[Marklet12]

Exactly - thanks for making my point. The operative words are "Mr. Moral Majority-Religious RIGHT". So, you make it sound like the left is corrupt, and everyone KNOWS it, so they're not as bad if one of their side messes up?? LOL. Strawman argument.

Now, I would definitely have to agree with you if he had cheated on his wife, got the mistress pregnant, & forced her to have an abortion. If he, say, took "Oil For Food" money & spent it on palaces & AK-47's, etc. THEN we can talk about how he goes against his religious values, my friend.

He's walked the walk to best of his ability, as we all are trying to do. Making a lapse in judgement is "human". Somehow, I don't think Jesus would condemn him for using some money towards his family. The man ALSO cares about third world countries & has demonstrated this by supporting the Milennium Challenge. Again, look at the person as a WHOLE. Does that mean we overlook someone's mistake? No, but again, we don't crucify them either, lest we be judged for our indignation.

Remember, the only sinless human being ever to exist on this planet was Jesus Christ, which is why He was the perfect Savior for us ALL.

LOLOLOL.

So because no one can be perfect like Jesus Christ, we're supposed to excuse Tom Delay for his mistakes? That's the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile.

Tom Delay could be a saint everywhere else in life--I don't care. Once he harlots out his political powers to special interests, then he has forfeited his job as a politican. He's still qualified to build an orphanage, for all I care--I just don't want him handling MY or other taxpapers' money from now on.

When you fail at a job, then you should lose your job, no matter how good you're at other things. Conversely, I don't care if my plumber sleeps with every prostitute on the block--if he can fix my toilet, that's all I need. On the other hand, if he's perfectly faithful to his wife and three kids but cant remove a hair clog, I'm firing him.

 

[Marklet12]

Isn't this the Clinton Doctrine?

Shouldn't it apply to all politicians? Like Hillary (Rose Law, Whitewater, Cattle Futures) and Teddy (dead girl at bottom of bay), etc., as well as Delay, Gingrich, etc.?

Yes. What's your point?

 

[charmtrap]

Isn't this the Clinton Doctrine?

I'm not sure what you're referring to, but this is a thread about Delay. It says it right in the title and everything.

Shouldn't it apply to all politicians? Like Hillary (Rose Law, Whitewater, Cattle Futures) and Teddy (dead girl at bottom of bay), etc., as well as Delay, Gingrich, etc.?

Yep. I'm with Yojimbo, what are you talking about and what does it have to do with Tom Delay being ethically challenged?

 

[tollytee]

LOLOLOL.

So because no one can be perfect like Jesus Christ, we're supposed to excuse Tom Delay for his mistakes? That's the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile.

Tom Delay could be a saint everywhere else in life--I don't care. Once he harlots out his political powers to special interests, then he has forfeited his job as a politican. He's still qualified to build an orphanage, for all I care--I just don't want him handling MY or other taxpapers' money from now on.

When you fail at a job, then you should lose your job, no matter how good you're at other things. Conversely, I don't care if my plumber sleeps with every prostitute on the block--if he can fix my toilet, that's all I need. On the other hand, if he's perfectly faithful to his wife and three kids but cant remove a hair clog, I'm firing him.

It would be dumb if he broke the law, but I haven't seen anything that says he did.

As long as my plumber (Delay) can fix my toilet (liberal legislation), I don't care how many jobs he gives his wife.

Respectfully

 

[tollytee]

I'm not sure what you're referring to, but this is a thread about Delay. It says it right in the title and everything.



Yep. I'm with Yojimbo, what are you talking about and what does it have to do with Tom Delay being ethically challenged?

Someone referred to Delay as 'once corrupt' always 'corrupt'. If that is the mantra of the left these days, it should apply to people of your party also.

Respectfully

 

[Marklet12]

It would be dumb if he broke the law, but I haven't seen anything that says he did.

As long as my plumber (Delay) can fix my toilet (liberal legislation), I don't care how many jobs he gives his wife.

Respectfully

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

 

[charmtrap]

It would be dumb if he broke the law, but I haven't seen anything that says he did.

As long as my plumber (Delay) can fix my toilet (liberal legislation), I don't care how many jobs he gives his wife.

Respectfully

Well, at least partisans can finally admit it. Ethics don't matter as long as you get what you want.

 

[PACKY]

LOLOLOL.

So because no one can be perfect like Jesus Christ, we're supposed to excuse Tom Delay for his mistakes? That's the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile.

Tom Delay could be a saint everywhere else in life--I don't care. Once he harlots out his political powers to special interests, then he has forfeited his job as a politican. He's still qualified to build an orphanage, for all I care--I just don't want him handling MY or other taxpapers' money from now on.

When you fail at a job, then you should lose your job, no matter how good you're at other things. Conversely, I don't care if my plumber sleeps with every prostitute on the block--if he can fix my toilet, that's all I need. On the other hand, if he's perfectly faithful to his wife and three kids but cant remove a hair clog, I'm firing him.

I cant hwelp but notice that elephant by your name are you sure your not mistaken?

 

[charmtrap]

Someone referred to Delay as 'once corrupt' always 'corrupt'. If that is the mantra of the left these days, it should apply to people of your party also.

I did. And I agree it should apply to all parties (the Democrats are not "my" party, for the record). But regardless, two wrongs don't make a right. If Delay gets busted for ethics violations, saying "but, but...Bill Clinton did it too" is called 'Tu Quoque'. Doesn't fly outside of kindergarten playgrounds.

 

[tollytee]

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

This is true. So far, tho, the uproar I have heard is not that it was illegal or unethical, but it just shouldn't be done. Well, fine, if thats the way someone feels, I have no problem. But the charges and insuation go farther than that here in this forum.

If the those with the view that Delay is corrupt, and always will be, believe that that should apply to all unethical, lawbreaking politicians, why don't they go to threads which point out bad behavior by those of the other party (Schumer, Berger, etc.) and make the same statement?

If it turns out that Delay violated any laws or ethics, then he should resign, I have never advocated anything different.

Respectfully

 

[AirPo]

This is true. So far, tho, the uproar I have heard is not that it was illegal or unethical, but it just shouldn't be done. Well, fine, if thats the way someone feels, I have no problem. But the charges and insuation go farther than that here in this forum.

If the those with the view that Delay is corrupt, and always will be, believe that that should apply to all unethical, lawbreaking politicians, why don't they go to threads which point out bad behavior by those of the other party (Schumer, Berger, etc.) and make the same statement?

If it turns out that Delay violated any laws or ethics, then he should resign, I have never advocated anything different.

Respectfully

Because it's unethical!

 

[charmtrap]

I cant hwelp but notice that elephant by your name are you sure your not mistaken?

Maybe he's a Republican who can think for himself and not toe the party line in every detail? I've heard they exist...

 

[Marklet12]

I cant hwelp but notice that elephant by your name are you sure your not mistaken?

Sorry. Must have missed the memo that said Republicans stand for the right for politicans to be corrupted and to waste the people's money. Maybe you could forward it to me.

 

[PACKY]

Sorry. Must have missed the memo that said Republicans stand for the right for politicans to be corrupted and to waste the people's money. Maybe you could forward it to me.

I ll get right on it.....

 

[tollytee]

Well, at least partisans can finally admit it. Ethics don't matter as long as you get what you want.

Is the lesson you learned from Clinton (both), Schumer, Pelosi, Kennedy, Frank (remember his little trysts in the Congressional locker room?), ad infinitum?

Neither party holds the monopoly on ethics, folks? Can we agree on that?

 

[Marklet12]

Is the lesson you learned from Clinton (both), Schumer, Pelosi, Kennedy, Frank (remember his little trists in the Congressional locker room?), ad infinitum?

Neither party holds the monopoly on ethics, folks? Can we agree on that?

So let's see...this thread is about Delay's alleged infractions, and your rebuttal, thus far, has been..."What about Clinton, HUH? What about Ted Kennedy, HUH? Oh yeah? What about (repeat ad nauseum)."

As a Republican, I'm not arguing that Delay's crimes proves that the Democrats are the leaders in ethics. I'm saying that if we, as a party, want to be known as a party of ethics, we need to boot Delay out, if these allegations turn out to be true--which they likely will.

 

[tollytee]

So let's see...this thread is about Delay's alleged infractions, and your rebuttal, thus far, has been..."What about Clinton, HUH? What about Ted Kennedy, HUH? Oh yeah? What about (repeat ad nauseum)."

As a Republican, I'm not arguing that Delay's crimes proves that the Democrats are the leaders in ethics. I'm saying that if we, as a party, want to be known as a party of ethics, we need to boot Delay out, if these allegations turn out to be true--which they likely will.

My posts would not bear out your claim.

You say 'crime', a minute ago it was legal, but not ethical. Which is it?
I have stated before, and I will do so again once and for all.

A bipartisan Ethics Committee will look at the facts and make a determination. If they find no violations, the matter is closed. If they do, Delay should resign immediately.

This thread started as a Delay thread, but as usual, quickly evolved into a thread replete with 'republicans this' and 'republicans that', 'conservative this' and 'conservative that'. Once that occurs, all bets are off.

Respectfully

 

[Oonna]

A bipartisan Ethics Committee will look at the facts and make a determination. If they find no violations, the matter is closed. If they do, Delay should resign immediately.

I guess you dont remember that Delay removed several members of the ethics committee and replaced them with his own boys.

Reps. Lamar S. Smith (R-Texas) and Tom Cole (R-Okla.) — whose political action committees have contributed to DeLay's legal defense fund. Smith's PAC contributed $5,000 in 2001 and an additional $5,000 between July and September 2004; Cole's gave $5,000 between July and September 2004.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0203-02.htm


It must be nice to be able to pick your own jury.

 

[BigToe]

It would be dumb if he broke the law, but I haven't seen anything that says he did.

As long as my plumber (Delay) can fix my toilet (liberal legislation), I don't care how many jobs he gives his wife.

Respectfully

Um, I don't think you understand why DeLay is being investigated by the House Ethics committee. It has nothing to do with any jobs his wife has held.