Tolerance is not a virtue

[Godcrazy]

Oh my goodness! I’m exegeting this exact passage during my Hebrews study!!!!

It isn’t done yet. I’ll shoot you a link.

I have also been told, we can't say or do anything because we don't know where they are in the walk. Then saying we should love despite of. True true, but when it's destructive.

 

[Grip Docility]

How do you interpret 1st Corinthians think from verse 5,about driving out the sinner,

Part 13d A Poem and Story about the Chasm between Death and Glory - Hebrews It! (Legal Study, Chapter 3) Pt. 13d

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1 & 2 Corinthians Sins Deception - Hebrews It! (Legal Study, Chapter 3) Pt. 13e

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[Grip Docility]

I have also been told, we can't say or do anything because we don't know where they are in the walk. Then saying we should love despite of. True true, but when it's destructive.

I gave you the links if you want to see where I am so far. It’s all contained within a Hebrews study that is fairly large and still at only chapter 3.

 

[Godcrazy]

Part 13d A Poem and Story about the Chasm between Death and Glory - Hebrews It! (Legal Study, Chapter 3) Pt. 13d

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1 & 2 Corinthians Sins Deception - Hebrews It! (Legal Study, Chapter 3) Pt. 13e

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That was beautiful

 

[Brihaha]

I don't think he meant unbelievers but Christian. The bible say that if a Christian refuse to repent but live in sin you should love the sinner but not accept living in sin

No, God means we are to love all others. Even enemies that actually persecute us. Anyone can love people with whom they agree. Not everyone is capable of obeying God's true word. The word is not alive if we are not living it. Peace

Matthew 5:44-48

 

[Chrystal-J]

No, God means we are to love all others. Even enemies that actually persecute us. Anyone can love people with whom they agree. Not everyone is capable of obeying God's true word. The word is not alive if we are not living it. Peace

Matthew 5:44-48

Love as in praying for that person. But, not to be around the evil, if that's the case.

1 Corinthians 5:12-13 It isn't my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning. God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, “You must remove the evil person from among you.”

 

[Grip Docility]

Love as in praying for that person. But, not to be around the evil, if that's the case.

1 Corinthians 5:12-13 It isn't my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning. God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, “You must remove the evil person from among you.”

Paul is speaking about the leavening. This statement is followed up in 2 Corinthians. Paul isn’t referring to the man with the icky sin when he said this. I’m certain. I am exegeting all scripture that it refers to and it is about the unseen “judges” within the story.

Tolerance is not a virtue

Oh my goodness! I’m exegeting this exact passage during my Hebrews study!!!! It isn’t done yet. I’ll shoot you a link. I have also been told, we can't say or do anything because we don't know where they are in the walk. Then saying we should love despite of. True true, but when it's destructive.

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[Brihaha]

Love as in praying for that person. But, not to be around the evil, if that's the case.

1 Corinthians 5:12-13 It isn't my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning. God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, “You must remove the evil person from among you.”

Right on. I love that chapter in I Corinthians. We have the obligation to judge each other to keep ourselves in line with the word. But since we can't remove ourselves from this world we can merely love the pagans without judging them. It took me some studying to understand that. And it takes even more effort to put it into practice in the real world. It ain't easy trying to show love for people who can't reciprocate. I would certainly be in favor of removing church members who practiced their paganism in the church though. Even those adulterers and perpetual liars.

 

[Grip Docility]

Right on. I love that chapter in I Corinthians. We have the obligation to judge each other to keep ourselves in line with the word. But since we can't remove ourselves from this world we can merely love the pagans without judging them. It took me some studying to understand that. And it takes even more effort to put it into practice in the real world. It ain't easy trying to show love for people who can't reciprocate. I would certainly be in favor of removing church members who practiced their paganism in the church though. Even those adulterers and perpetual liars.

I do believe that you just spoke in Spiritual verbiage.

 

[rturner76]

Did Jesus not display tolerance? How does taking judgment from God and giving it to ourselves edify? Remember the sin of pride and "Judge not lest ye be judged." Who should throw the first stone?

 

[Brihaha]

I do believe that you just spoke in Spiritual verbiage.

It certainty felt like it at the time.

 

[FireDragon76]

I don't think he meant unbelievers but Christian. The bible say that if a Christian refuse to repent but live in sin you should love the sinner but not accept living in sin

Freedom of conscience should apply to Christians, too.

"Church discipline" in the modern United States makes little sense, as people can simply go to another church. All it is, is moral posturing and faux purity.

 

[FireDragon76]

Think about how God views these things. Especially among Christians.

In my experience, just because somebody is a Christian doesn't mean they have a privileged perspective on religious or moral matters.

 

[Godcrazy]

We are discussing from a Christian point of view. That doesn't mean other thoughts aren't welcome but if contradict the bible it would be difficult to follow along

 

[Godcrazy]

Freedom of conscience should apply to Christians, too.

"Church discipline" in the modern United States makes little sense, as people can simply go to another church. All it is, is moral posturing and faux purity.

Surely. It's about believing, and have a relationship with God. But if one doesn't repent and don't care about how God sees things,..

 

[Godcrazy]

Did Jesus not display tolerance? How does taking judgment from God and giving it to ourselves edify? Remember the sin of pride and "Judge not lest ye be judged." Who should throw the first stone?

Can we live as we want and still go to heaven?
Can we forget everything about repentance and doing our best?
According to the exorcist if we don't repent, and we die, we will go to hell.
And we don't know when the time is.
They also said if you believe in God, your faith is creating in you a desire to please God and to do what he says.

 

[FireDragon76]

Surely. It's about believing, and have a relationship with God. But if one doesn't repent and don't care about how God sees things,..

I don't think "How God sees things" is immediately available in a naive or straightforward manner. In fact I believe most people in our culture that claim to know God's views on a particular matter, are often just delusional, or worse, narcissistic/psychopathic. I also think ethics are about normative ideals and virtues, not divine commands.

 

[Godcrazy]

Then what about don't lie, kill, steal, adultery etc
That's straight forward
As well as NT talks about avoiding things like fornication, adultery etc
How we shouldn't be like the heathen anymore but put away the old self and the flesh

 

[rturner76]

Can we live as we want and still go to heaven?
Can we forget everything about repentance and doing our best?
According to the exorcist if we don't repent, and we die, we will go to hell.
And we don't know when the time is.
They also said if you believe in God, your faith is creating in you a desire to please God and to do what he says.

Of course, it is right and Biblical to use discernment and properly judge what is right and wrong in our own actions. That is right for the afterlife and our Earthly life. Is it up to one of us to judge another person's actions? I believe that we can use discernment when deciding if spending our personal time with a sinner. We ask ourselves is it more likely that through God's grace will I positively influence this person or is it more likely that their sin will influence us? But should we pass judgment on a person's soul? I believe that the job of judging a person's soul is God's as it says in the Bible:

2 Corinthians 5:10​

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

So we are to use our best judgment when discerning who may be a bad influence on us due to their sin, judgement of a man's soul is the work of God alone. I would also like to add that the best place for a sinner to be is right in the middle of God's church.

 

[Godcrazy]

Of course, it is right and Biblical to use discernment and properly judge what is right and wrong in our own actions. That is right for the afterlife and our Earthly life. Is it up to one of us to judge another person's actions? I believe that we can use discernment when deciding if spending our personal time with a sinner. We ask ourselves is it more likely that through God's grace will I positively influence this person or is it more likely that their sin will influence us? But should we pass judgment on a person's soul? I believe that the job of judging a person's soul is God's as it says in the Bible:

2 Corinthians 5:10​

So we are to use our best judgment when discerning who may be a bad influence on us due to their sin, judgement of a man's soul is the work of God alone. I would also like to add that the best place for a sinner to be is right in the middle of God's church.

I would be concerned, myself or for others soul if I knew they, or myself, would live sin and not care about it, and refuse to talk to God about it.
I wouldn't be able to abandon such a person. Because it would always be in the back, what if I could do something
I don't equal judgement as what we normally think as judgement. I prefer discernment. For sure, we are always forgiven. The thing is if we die without care