Tolerance is not a virtue

[Michie]

As a minister, I am “duty-bound” to accurately present the content of the Bible. A true call from God will result in a desire to help people understand Scripture and apply it to their lives. But a faithful opening of timeless Scripture can generate some visceral pushback from audiences today.

When I call out sin, point out errors in interpreting the Bible, or suggest that biology rather than emotions should dictate the discussion on human sexuality, I’m told that I need to be more tolerant. What exactly is tolerance in today’s society?

Tolerance is a manufactured, secular, socially manipulated and weakly constructed excuse for a sentiment. It is not a Christian virtue, a Fruit of the Spirit (Ephesians 6) or a command of Jesus. Only the “sparkle creed” suggests otherwise, and it is not a religious orthodoxy; it is a perversion of a traditional Christian statement of faith.

What is tolerance? The way the world imposes and enforces it, tolerance is a fabricated counterfeit of Christian love and genuine human compassion.

Instead of, “Let me help lift you out of your mess,” tolerance says, “I support your right to live as a disaster.”

A life-changing encounter with the Son of God promises, “You don’t have to stay this way, there’s a better, higher Way to live.” Tolerance says, “I embrace the fact that you’re broken. I will agree to underwrite the lie you can't ever change.”

Instead of offering hope, rescue and peace, tolerance says, “I celebrate the falsehoods you've been told. I will also lie and tell you that the fatal, degrading, noxious Hell you’re living in is a valid, ‘alternative lifestyle.’”

Continued below.

Tolerance is not a virtue

What exactly is tolerance in today s society

www.christianpost.com

 

[Brihaha]

Tolerance is essential for a cohesive, peaceful society. In Matthew 5 Jesus says we are to bless our enemies, even the ones who persecute us. I don't believe even the frightening LGBT crowd is actually persecuting me lol. I raised three children to adulthood, I understand tolerance can be a virtue.

Though tolerance presents a conundrum. The paradox is that when society starts to tolerate the intolerant, intolerance will likely dominate. This will eliminate the practice of tolerance and the tolerant altogether. America isn't quite here...yet.

I like this anonymous quote:

"We are in favor of tolerance but it is a very difficult thing to tolerate the intolerant and impossible to tolerate the intolerable."

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Tolerance is essential for a cohesive, peaceful society. In Matthew 5 Jesus says we are to bless our enemies, even the ones who persecute us. I don't believe even the frightening LGBT crowd is actually persecuting me lol. I raised three children to adulthood, I understand tolerance can be a virtue.

Though tolerance presents a conundrum. The paradox is that when society starts to tolerate the intolerant, intolerance will likely dominate. This will eliminate the practice of tolerance and the tolerant altogether. America isn't quite here...yet.

I like this anonymous quote:

"We are in favor of tolerance but it is a very difficult thing to tolerate the intolerant and impossible to tolerate the intolerable."

Tolerance of that which is immoral only breeds immorality. Has tolerating more degeneracy both legally and socially lead to less degeneracy? No it hasn't, instead it's exponentially increased it.

No one can tolerate everything, we all have limits. For many, toleration of the idea of a society which doesn't tolerate certain sexual behaviors is intolerable. Hence those Christians who would seek such a society must be punished if they seek to start such a society.

 

[Brihaha]

Tolerance of that which is immoral only breeds immorality. Has tolerating more degeneracy both legally and socially lead to less degeneracy? No it hasn't, instead it's exponentially increased it.

No one can tolerate everything, we all have limits. For many, toleration of the idea of a society which doesn't tolerate certain sexual behaviors is intolerable. Hence those Christians who would seek such a society must be punished if they seek to start such a society.

As I mentioned, tolerance is a paradox. The intolerant become the intolerable when we placate them. While simultaneously deeming other sinners intolerable. There is no room for righteous indignation among us believers in God. Jesus condemned the self-righteousness of those Pharisees and Sadducees in Matthew 23. Hypocrisy and pride will be the downfall of society, not the gay or poor folks. They've always been part of society too. Intolerance is merely the Do Not Touch sign on something that can't bear to be touched.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

As I mentioned, tolerance is a paradox. The intolerant become the intolerable when we placate them. While simultaneously deeming other sinners intolerable. There is no room for righteous indignation among us believers in God. Jesus condemned the self-righteousness of those Pharisees and Sadducees in Matthew 23. Hypocrisy and pride will be the downfall of society, not the gay or poor folks. They've always been part of society too. Intolerance is merely the Do Not Touch sign on something that can't bear to be touched.

The problem of course is that your tolerance is not unlimited and because of that you cannot then claim the mantle of tolerance to uplift certain degenerate lifestyles. You for instance may tolerate pornography and defend it's right to exist in society, but given the negative effects it has had upon society there are good reasons, religious and secular to not tolerate it.

Your position would simply allow the unlimited spread of degeneracy because you are unwilling to do the hard task of imposing a certain amount of order and regularity in society in advance of the good. Christians don't have to accept this modern paradigm.

 

[Brihaha]

The problem of course is that your tolerance is not unlimited and because of that you cannot then claim the mantle of tolerance to uplift certain degenerate lifestyles. You for instance may tolerate pornography and defend it's right to exist in society, but given the negative effects it has had upon society there are good reasons, religious and secular to not tolerate it.

Your position would simply allow the unlimited spread of degeneracy because you are unwilling to do the hard task of imposing a certain amount of order and regularity in society in advance of the good. Christians don't have to accept this modern paradigm.

I have the patience of an oyster. I post on Christian Forums lol. We tolerate all sorts of misguided believers. And unbelievers as well. It is not my task to impose my beliefs onto others. It is my task to help lead wayward sheep back into the flock. And I can't do that by excluding these lost sheep from receiving God's word. The only way any of us receives grace is thru God. We should welcome those who willingly wish to live in the word, not force the word onto the unwilling pagans. Our sins are not somehow better than theirs. Enjoy your weekend. Peace

 

[Chrystal-J]

Instead of, “Let me help lift you out of your mess,” tolerance says, “I support your right to live as a disaster.”

I know people who support someone who's a train-wreck with no plans to change. They think they're "helping" the person, but they're actually hurting them by letting them stay in a pit of their own making.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I have the patience of an oyster. I post on Christian Forums lol. We tolerate all sorts of misguided believers. And unbelievers as well. It is not my task to impose my beliefs onto others. It is my task to help lead wayward sheep back into the flock. And I can't do that by excluding these lost sheep from receiving God's word. The only way any of us receives grace is thru God. We should welcome those who willingly wish to live in the word, not force the word onto the unwilling pagans. Our sins are not somehow better than theirs. Enjoy your weekend. Peace

Is your task to merely passively allow society to tumble into behaviors which are contrary to God?

You act as if Pagans or Non Christians don't impose themselves on others. But they do and always have because that's what it means to live in a society. Someone's rules will prevail.

 

[FireDragon76]

Tolerance is a civic virtue that can be rooted in the commandment to love our neighbor, and to live in peace with our neighbor.

Frankly, I am weary of this notion that Christians are the healers of souls, and therefore have the right, even obligation, to go against the freedom of our neighbors to live lives according to their conscience, and not ours. All people are sinful and deceitful, and such "teachers" are often little more than the blind leading the blind.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Tolerance is a civic virtue that can be rooted in the commandment to love our neighbor, and to live in peace with our neighbor.

Frankly, I am weary of this notion that Christians are the healers of souls, and therefore have the right, even obligation, to go against the freedom of our neighbors to live lives according to their conscience, and not ours. All people are sinful and deceitful, and such "teachers" are often little more than the blind leading the blind.

Do you tolerate everyone fire? Tolerance is not love, it's the easy option so as to not offend someone.

 

[Godcrazy]

As a minister, I am “duty-bound” to accurately present the content of the Bible. A true call from God will result in a desire to help people understand Scripture and apply it to their lives. But a faithful opening of timeless Scripture can generate some visceral pushback from audiences today.

When I call out sin, point out errors in interpreting the Bible, or suggest that biology rather than emotions should dictate the discussion on human sexuality, I’m told that I need to be more tolerant. What exactly is tolerance in today’s society?

Tolerance is a manufactured, secular, socially manipulated and weakly constructed excuse for a sentiment. It is not a Christian virtue, a Fruit of the Spirit (Ephesians 6) or a command of Jesus. Only the “sparkle creed” suggests otherwise, and it is not a religious orthodoxy; it is a perversion of a traditional Christian statement of faith.

What is tolerance? The way the world imposes and enforces it, tolerance is a fabricated counterfeit of Christian love and genuine human compassion.

Instead of, “Let me help lift you out of your mess,” tolerance says, “I support your right to live as a disaster.”

A life-changing encounter with the Son of God promises, “You don’t have to stay this way, there’s a better, higher Way to live.” Tolerance says, “I embrace the fact that you’re broken. I will agree to underwrite the lie you can't ever change.”

Instead of offering hope, rescue and peace, tolerance says, “I celebrate the falsehoods you've been told. I will also lie and tell you that the fatal, degrading, noxious Hell you’re living in is a valid, ‘alternative lifestyle.’”

Continued below.

Tolerance is not a virtue

What exactly is tolerance in today s society

www.christianpost.com

It's the laodeikea church. And jesus said he will spit those out
It's very clear. Either you try to actually be a follower, not just a believer. Jesus said if you love me, you keep my commands. Straight talk.
Or the but we should love.
Yes but not accepting living in sin.

 

[Godcrazy]

Tolerance is a civic virtue that can be rooted in the commandment to love our neighbor, and to live in peace with our neighbor.

Frankly, I am weary of this notion that Christians are the healers of souls, and therefore have the right, even obligation, to go against the freedom of our neighbors to live lives according to their conscience, and not ours. All people are sinful and deceitful, and such "teachers" are often little more than the blind leading the blind.

I don't think he meant unbelievers but Christian. The bible say that if a Christian refuse to repent but live in sin you should love the sinner but not accept living in sin

 

[Godcrazy]

Tolerance is a civic virtue that can be rooted in the commandment to love our neighbor, and to live in peace with our neighbor.

Frankly, I am weary of this notion that Christians are the healers of souls, and therefore have the right, even obligation, to go against the freedom of our neighbors to live lives according to their conscience, and not ours. All people are sinful and deceitful, and such "teachers" are often little more than the blind leading the blind.

Think about how God views these things. Especially among Christians.

 

[Godcrazy]

The problem of course is that your tolerance is not unlimited and because of that you cannot then claim the mantle of tolerance to uplift certain degenerate lifestyles. You for instance may tolerate pornography and defend it's right to exist in society, but given the negative effects it has had upon society there are good reasons, religious and secular to not tolerate it.

Your position would simply allow the unlimited spread of degeneracy because you are unwilling to do the hard task of imposing a certain amount of order and regularity in society in advance of the good. Christians don't have to accept this modern paradigm.

Truth is, if they don't change don't want God leave them to their vices. But he warns and he doesn't accept living in sin. It's true we can love the sinner but not the sin. Among Christians the bible is clear

 

[Grip Docility]

According to Paul, in full exegesis, living in sin is to Know the forgiveness of Jesus and consider sin of the stone law beyond the reach of Jesus. I'm not trying to be difficult, but Paul speaks like Jesus. This is purposeful. Paul demands it to be known that he is merely a mouth piece for heavenly Jesus.

Jesus was asked how many times to forgive? The number 7 came up. Jesus then said 7 X 70. The math says 490, but I don't believe that Jesus was saying 490 sins. If that were the case, we are all bound for the lake of fire.

More people come to this site afraid that Jesus doesn't love them because they sin. These people are in deep sorrow. I don't believe that any sinner is beyond the reach of Jesus and more than that, I believe that forgiven sinners that deny this spiritual truth are on dangerous ground. I mean this lovingly, but Jesus told two parables that should be remembered by all of us.

1 was a sinful man that beat his breast before God and declared himself a sinner begging mercy, while the other was a man that thanked God he wasn't sinful like the man declaring himself a sinner.

Jesus then goes on to speak of a man that had a debt beyond measure that would incarcerate him for life. The man plead to be forgiven and was forgiven. That same man beat a servant over a FAR lesser debt and was instantly brought back before the king. This is bad. The King reinstituted the man's debt and then locked him up until he could pay it. The man rotted in prison.

This is important, in my opinion.

When people deny that Jesus Died BECAUSE we are Sinners and change the verbiage to some form of Carnal price required for admission to heaven, it is implying that Jesus didn't die because people sin, but so that people can sin.

This in turn is saying that Grace is nothing more than a license to sin.

Jesus forgave the adulterous and told her to go and "sin" (UNBELIEVE) no more. John confirms this by stating that the sin of the world is unbelief. Under the new covenant it is the most egregious sin of all sins to suggest that Jesus blood is impotent to save sinners. Paul is brutal about this point. I'm exegeting a matter in 1 Corinthians and 2 Corinthians that makes this unmistakable.

This said, I'm just a forgiven sinner, pleading the mercy of Jesus every second of my life, therefore, what is this lowly sinners opinion worth, anyhow.

Tolerance is worldly Love. A Love that covers a MULTITUDE of sins is AGAPE. Woke is broke, but Salt that is without Love is good for no more than to be thrown out and trampled by dogs and men.

 

[Godcrazy]

According to Paul, in full exegesis, living in sin is to Know the forgiveness of Jesus and consider sin of the stone law beyond the reach of Jesus. I'm not trying to be difficult, but Paul speaks like Jesus. This is purposeful. Paul demands it to be known that he is merely a mouth piece for heavenly Jesus.

Jesus was asked how many times to forgive? The number 7 came up. Jesus then said 7 X 70. The math says 490, but I don't believe that Jesus was saying 490 sins. If that were the case, we are all bound for the lake of fire.

More people come to this site afraid that Jesus doesn't love them because they sin. These people are in deep sorrow. I don't believe that any sinner is beyond the reach of Jesus and more than that, I believe that forgiven sinners that deny this spiritual truth are on dangerous ground. I mean this lovingly, but Jesus told two parables that should be remembered by all of us.

1 was a sinful man that beat his breast before God and declared himself a sinner begging mercy, while the other was a man that thanked God he wasn't sinful like the man declaring himself a sinner.

Jesus then goes on to speak of a man that had a debt beyond measure that would incarcerate him for life. The man plead to be forgiven and was forgiven. That same man beat a servant over a FAR lesser debt and was instantly brought back before the king. This is bad. The King reinstituted the man's debt and then locked him up until he could pay it. The man rotted in prison.

This is important, in my opinion.

When people deny that Jesus Died BECAUSE we are Sinners and change the verbiage to some form of Carnal price required for admission to heaven, it is implying that Jesus didn't die because people sin, but so that people can sin.

This in turn is saying that Grace is nothing more than a license to sin.

Jesus forgave the adulterous and told her to go and "sin" (UNBELIEVE) no more. John confirms this by stating that the sin of the world is unbelief. Under the new covenant it is the most egregious sin of all sins to suggest that Jesus blood is impotent to save sinners. Paul is brutal about this point. I'm exegeting a matter in 1 Corinthians and 2 Corinthians that makes this unmistakable.

This said, I'm just a forgiven sinner, pleading the mercy of Jesus every second of my life, therefore, what is this lowly sinners opinion worth, anyhow.

Tolerance is worldly Love. A Love that covers a MULTITUDE of sins is AGAPE. Woke is broke, but Salt that is without Love is good for no more than to be thrown out and trampled by dogs and men.

Of course, we can always be forgiven.
But, look at the revelation how jesus speaks to the laodeikea church for example.

 

[Grip Docility]

Of course, we can always be forgiven.
But, look at the revelation how jesus speaks to the laodeikea church for example.

Cold… Don’t know Jesus. Hot… Knows Jesus.

Luke Warm… Forgiven by Jesus but applying Moses to humans made in the likeness of God.

No one places New Wine in Old Wineskins. If New Wine is placed in Old Wineskins, the Skins will burst and all of the Wine is lost.

The Covenant and Law of Moses are incompatible with the Covenant and Law of Jesus.

 

[Sir Joseph]

As a minister, I am “duty-bound” to accurately present the content of the Bible. A true call from God will result in a desire to help people understand Scripture and apply it to their lives. But a faithful opening of timeless Scripture can generate some visceral pushback from audiences today.

When I call out sin, point out errors in interpreting the Bible, or suggest that biology rather than emotions should dictate the discussion on human sexuality, I’m told that I need to be more tolerant. What exactly is tolerance in today’s society?

Tolerance is a manufactured, secular, socially manipulated and weakly constructed excuse for a sentiment. It is not a Christian virtue, a Fruit of the Spirit (Ephesians 6) or a command of Jesus. Only the “sparkle creed” suggests otherwise, and it is not a religious orthodoxy; it is a perversion of a traditional Christian statement of faith.

What is tolerance? The way the world imposes and enforces it, tolerance is a fabricated counterfeit of Christian love and genuine human compassion.

Instead of, “Let me help lift you out of your mess,” tolerance says, “I support your right to live as a disaster.”

A life-changing encounter with the Son of God promises, “You don’t have to stay this way, there’s a better, higher Way to live.” Tolerance says, “I embrace the fact that you’re broken. I will agree to underwrite the lie you can't ever change.”

Instead of offering hope, rescue and peace, tolerance says, “I celebrate the falsehoods you've been told. I will also lie and tell you that the fatal, degrading, noxious Hell you’re living in is a valid, ‘alternative lifestyle.’”

Continued below.

Tolerance is not a virtue

What exactly is tolerance in today s society

www.christianpost.com

I think there's some opposing beliefs being expressed here in this thread, but allow me to give a different perspective that seemingly hasn't been mentioned yet - offering perhaps a path for compromise.

Tolerance does not equate to acceptance. Let me give a specific example using the LGBT issue.
As a Christian, I believe that the LGBT movement is morally wrong by Biblical standards. So, I'll vote accordingly and speak out openly against it, knowing that it's incompatible with both God's objective standards and America's Christian heritage. At the same time though, I recognize individuals' freedoms and my obligation to love everyone. So, I'll be tolerant of such people, trying not to persecute them in any way while not enabling them either. Is that not the balance civility requires? After all, the word tolerance necessitates something unwanted existing to tolerate.

Today's LGBT culture though isn't demanding tolerance; it demands acceptance. The evidence is in the news every day of people saying anything that doesn't support the LGBT agenda being persecuted, be it a cake baker, web designer, or hundreds of other employees making simple statements that offend the cultural progressives. The Christian who tolerates but doesn't accept their agenda will be severely punished.

From my watching-the-news every day perception, I see a whole lot of intolerance being expressed against Christians who don't embrace the LGBT agenda versus the other way around. Ironically, it's the cultural progressives who decry intolerance that are most guilty of it. Why? Because they won't accept mere tolerance; they demand acceptance.

While I accuse the cultural progressives of being intolerant, I also accuse the Christians and Catholics of being too accepting. Just look at the stats by generation of those believers accepting the formal legalization and social acceptance of gay marriage. It shows a steep trend of declining Biblical moral values. Our society is yielding to cultural pressure, going beyond tolerance to acceptance.

Personally, I think both sides need more tolerance - just being respectful of each other and allowing various beliefs. But acceptance? I pray that Christians and Catholics will wake up and see the spiritual battle that's being exposed here, with the whole LGBT/abortion/gender morality issues being based upon relativism. God's objective standards and claimed reality itself are being replaced by personal feelings and perverted preferences. I feel it's an inevitable path of destruction for the nation.

Tolerance can and should exist from all of us. Acceptance though will not happen until we all have the same belief systems, and that'll never happen in this world until Christ comes to set up his kingdom.

 

[Godcrazy]

It just shows how everything can be allowed but not everything is good for you

 

[Grip Docility]

It just shows how everything can be allowed but not everything is good for you

By Job, You just quoted Paul!

1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful for me," but not all things are helpful. "All things are lawful for me," but I will not be enslaved by anything.