Todd's first sign of comeback

[Svt4Him]

I can't accept a guy as a legitimate minister if his whole house is in disarray.

It's one thing for the guy to have problems.

But after adultery, drunkenness, carousing, neglecting his sickly wife, and abandoning the care of the children, all of this along with going full-tilt into seven-days-a-week ministry for three months without stopping or resting, he completely blew it.

Then - get this - here's the clincher.

He moved 3000 miles away from his ex-wife and his three children from Abbottsford, British Columbia [in Canada], all the way to Charlotte, North Carolina. He acts like he cares for his family, but I do not believe he does. Wild horses could not drag me away from my wife [or my children, if I had some little Ewoks] or whatever. I could not pull myself away from a wife and children, those people closest to me, to be with a new wife and to start a ministry. I'll be DAMNED if someone would try to pull me away from my own flesh and blood wife and children!!!

My advice to Todd, if I could talk to him would be this:

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Brother, you need to minister to your ex-wife and three children. Your first ministry is in the home, to your family. Even if you could not reconcile with your wife, the least you could do is provide those kids with a daddy who could at least be in their lives on the weekend, or every other week, or one month on / one month off, or however you could work out the custody issue. Todd, forget ministering to the millions, the many, the masses for right now. You need to minister to those who you have the life's blood connection to. Your first ministry is to God, family, and yourself - then everything else. The ministry does not come first. Your family does. Don't make your little kids grow up without their daddy in their lives.

Shonnah needs to feel secure that her little ones will be taken care of. And the little ones need to feel that too.

Be a man, Todd. The family needs you first. You are a derelict father. You have abdicated your place.

There are evangelists a-plenty. We have ten thousand instructors in the Lord -- but not many fathers.

The pulpit will be there for you once you get your life straightened out.

Regardless of any call of God, the first call is making sure your house is in order.

And if you don't have your house in order, nothing else in your life will be.

I said the same think to Todd, publicly. His response to me showed me that my assumptions were just that, assumptions. Your statements are based on little fact and a lot of emotions. After Todd talked to me, I actually had to repent. I may not agree with everything, but for me to judge with no knowledge of what happens behind the doors in regards to his children is wrong.

 

[gratefulgrace]

I’m sorry, after all that has happened, should we have any confidence in Fresh Fire Ministries?

~Jim

Faith means trusting in advance what will only make sense in reverse.​

I thougoht I had responded to this post yesterday but I can't see it. This is a brand new US creation not the Canadian group which is going on with out mr bentley as they have broken ties with him. They are operating under a different name now Transform International . gg

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

Wait I do care....
Bentley needs to mend his own spiritual life here.

It's just like what Swaggart did, only newer...erm....oh nevermind.
I'll pray for him this once though.

 

[Questioning Christian]

I said the same think to Todd, publicly. His response to me showed me that my assumptions were just that, assumptions. Your statements are based on little fact and a lot of emotions. After Todd talked to me, I actually had to repent. I may not agree with everything, but for me to judge with no knowledge of what happens behind the doors in regards to his children is wrong.

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

I tried to find a pic of a bunch of people jumping off of a bridge but this will work.

 

[JSGuitarist]

I can't accept a guy as a legitimate minister if his whole house is in disarray.

It's one thing for the guy to have problems.

But after adultery, drunkenness, carousing, neglecting his sickly wife, and abandoning the care of the children, all of this along with going full-tilt into seven-days-a-week ministry for three months without stopping or resting, he completely blew it.

Then - get this - here's the clincher.

He moved 3000 miles away from his ex-wife and his three children from Abbottsford, British Columbia [in Canada], all the way to Charlotte, North Carolina. He acts like he cares for his family, but I do not believe he does. Wild horses could not drag me away from my wife [or my children, if I had some little Ewoks] or whatever. I could not pull myself away from a wife and children, those people closest to me, to be with a new wife and to start a ministry. I'll be DAMNED if someone would try to pull me away from my own flesh and blood wife and children!!!

My advice to Todd, if I could talk to him would be this:

______________________________________

Brother, you need to minister to your ex-wife and three children. Your first ministry is in the home, to your family. Even if you could not reconcile with your wife, the least you could do is provide those kids with a daddy who could at least be in their lives on the weekend, or every other week, or one month on / one month off, or however you could work out the custody issue. Todd, forget ministering to the millions, the many, the masses for right now. You need to minister to those who you have the life's blood connection to. Your first ministry is to God, family, and yourself - then everything else. The ministry does not come first. Your family does. Don't make your little kids grow up without their daddy in their lives.

Shonnah needs to feel secure that her little ones will be taken care of. And the little ones need to feel that too.

Be a man, Todd. The family needs you first. You are a derelict father. You have abdicated your place.

There are evangelists a-plenty. We have ten thousand instructors in the Lord -- but not many fathers.

The pulpit will be there for you once you get your life straightened out.

Regardless of any call of God, the first call is making sure your house is in order.

And if you don't have your house in order, nothing else in your life will be.

Wonderfully said bro

This thread is a joke right?
Oh...ya'll are serious...hmm.
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To the OP with no personal offense intended except to address the subject:
I don't care.

Thanks for listening.

Wait I do care....
Bentley needs to mend his own spiritual life here.

It's just like what Swaggart did, only newer...erm....oh nevermind.
I'll pray for him this once though.

None taken Like I've said though, this isn't really about Todd Bentley, but more the charismatic madness backing him that is the apostolic.

 

[imperfectchristian]

I said the same think to Todd, publicly. His response to me showed me that my assumptions were just that, assumptions. Your statements are based on little fact and a lot of emotions. After Todd talked to me, I actually had to repent. I may not agree with everything, but for me to judge with no knowledge of what happens behind the doors in regards to his children is wrong.

Agreed! We are in no position to be counseling into thin air what Todd should or should not be doing. We are in no position to judge him.

The truth is...we know what we read in the news media or because someone is gossiping.

I was one of the first people to say I didn't care for TB back before any of this came out and it was not a popular opinion to express. However I am not his judge and I don't know the whole story.

I won't be placing myself under his ministerial leadership, but I also won't be placing myself on the judgement seat either.

I am going to just try and be my brother's keeper.


YouTube - Rich Mullins - Brothers Keeper

 

[BenAdam]

Agreed! We are in no position to be counseling into thin air what Todd should or should not be doing. We are in no position to judge him.

The truth is...we know what we read in the news media or because someone is gossiping.

I was one of the first people to say I didn't care for TB back before any of this came out and it was not a popular opinion to express. However I am not his judge and I don't know the whole story.

I won't be placing myself under his ministerial leadership, but I also won't be placing myself on the judgement seat either.

I am going to just try and be my brother's keeper.


YouTube - Rich Mullins - Brothers Keeper

Todd fully has my prayers and support as a brother, I truely mean that. I would do just about anything to help a brother providing my spouse was in agreement with me. However I would not accept Todd, Ted, Bob, Jimmy, Larry, Tom, Dick, or Harry back into any leadership/ministry position for years and ensure they were closely monitored/held accountable (preferably by someone who tended to be critical about them). Additionally they would need to show significant fruit of repentance in their life. I think I could add almost without saying, significant prayer would be involved.

 

[probinson]

The truth is...we know what we read in the news media or because someone is gossiping.

This bears repeating.

 

[imperfectchristian]

Todd fully has my prayers and support as a brother, I truely mean that. I would do just about anything to help a brother providing my spouse was in agreement with me. However I would not accept Todd, Ted, Bob, Jimmy, Larry, Tom, Dick, or Harry back into any leadership/ministry position for years and ensure they were closely monitored/held accountable (preferably by someone who tended to be critical about them). Additionally they would need to show significant fruit of repentance in their life. I think I could add almost without saying, significant prayer would be involved.

I believe we have had this conversation before and I do agree, only thing is I don't think he had any business being in the position of leadership and ministry that he was in in the first place and I voiced that before any of this happened. As a brother in Christ (and nothing more) what he does with with his children and his family life is not for me to pass judgement on. He might be living away from them because he is trying to protect them in some way. I honestly don't know. I don't know anyone in the TB camp nor do I care to seek any of them out to find out more.

I was never caught up in lakeland (in an approving way) like many were so it is not a sensitive subject to me.

The point I have been voicing ever since I first heard about lakeland is that TB is just a man. Everyone of these people are just regular people like us. When we can start loving and accepting each other for who we are and stop trying to dress each other up in Saul's armor, building our faith on man's constructs, the better off we are going to be because then we will be relying solely and completely on God alone, Christ in us, the hope of glory.

 

[imperfectchristian]

One more thing...when I say I didn't think he had any business in the position he was in....that is a personal opinion that I am sharing, not a proclamation of what I deem is right or wrong.

 

[Questioning Christian]

I do not need media nor gossip nor anything else to be able to exercise the brain and wisdom God gave me to draw the conclusion that Todd Bentley does not need to move 3000 miles away from his ex-wife and three children. That's not speculation and opinion. That's common sense and it's also the wisdom of God.

Ask any child of divorce how awful it was to first have your parents split up in the first place, and then ask them what detrimental effect it would have had on their life for the leaving parent to move 3000 miles away, and be completely out of their lives altogether.

Sorry, Todd has no ministry if he won't provide emotional support for his children by being in their lives on a fairly frequent basis. He is their dad FIRST before he ever was a preacher. Forget opinions and fleshly reasoning. The truth is what really matters.

The actual BIBLE says,

"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

If you are saying I have judged, then you are saying that God and the Bible have judged as well.

 

[mont974x4]

I just hope we don’t get more spin from the horse’s mouth.

~Jim

Faith means trusting in advance what will only make sense in reverse.​

I agree.

It takes a lot of time but there needs to be real proof, as Scripture calls it fruit in keeping with repentance. Pray, walk in garce and mercy, but also be on guard. The other biblical principle that comes to my mind is to be wise as serpents and gentle as a dove.

The last thing any of us should want is to rush things and end up setting him up for future failure or hurting more people.

 

[imperfectchristian]

I do not need media nor gossip nor anything else to be able to exercise the brain and wisdom God gave me to draw the conclusion that Todd Bentley does not need to move 3000 miles away from his ex-wife and three children. That's not speculation and opinion. That's common sense and it's also the wisdom of God.

Ask any child of divorce how awful it was to first have your parents split up in the first place, and then ask them what detrimental effect it would have had on their life for the leaving parent to move 3000 miles away, and be completely out of their lives altogether.

Sorry, Todd has no ministry if he won't provide emotional support for his children by being in their lives on a fairly frequent basis. He is their dad FIRST before he ever was a preacher. Forget opinions and fleshly reasoning. The truth is what really matters.

The actual BIBLE says,

"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

If you are saying I have judged, then you are saying that God and the Bible have judged as well.

I'm not saying it is a good situation or that TB is right. I didn't say you had judged either...that is between you and God. All I said was that I am not going to pass judgement on him.

As for the reference to the Bible...it also says that women shall be saved in child birth, but I don't believe that a woman has to have a baby to be saved.

Scriptures were written within certain contexts and many times if we try to apply them in a universal fashion we end up missing the point and potentially misapplying them.

 

[imperfectchristian]

I agree.

It takes a lot of time but there needs to be real proof, as Scripture calls it fruit in keeping with repentance. Pray, walk in garce and mercy, but also be on guard. The other biblical principle that comes to my mind is to be wise as serpents and gentle as a dove.

The last thing any of us should want is to rush things and end up setting him up for future failure or hurting more people.

Totally agree!

 

[Elijah2]

Originally Posted by Jimbeaux

I just hope we don’t get more spin from the horse’s mouth.

~Jim

Faith means trusting in advance what will only make sense in reverse.​

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And I pray that we don't end up the same again, running around like terrier dogs, not know what is right and what is wrong.

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[Questioning Christian]

I'm not saying it is a good situation or that TB is right. I didn't say you had judged either...that is between you and God. All I said was that I am not going to pass judgement on him.

As for the reference to the Bible...it also says that women shall be saved in child birth, but I don't believe that a woman has to have a baby to be saved.

Scriptures were written within certain contexts and many times if we try to apply them in a universal fashion we end up missing the point and potentially misapplying them.

I wasn't referring to your comments, but to a lot of other comments in a general sense.

All right, well, from that perspective of scripture we can also debate if "Jesus wept" meant "Jesus wept".

So I don't want to get into a debate about if Scripture is the word of God or not.

But the point I am making is that you have to provide support for your children. You just have to.

 

[EyezOFire]

I'm just tired of all the charismatic nonesense... The Rick Joyners the Bill Johnsons, The Todd Bentleys... I've enjoyed and learned some things from them and in my heart I do love them. It just seems to me they are more interested in furthering their own agendas. All this drumming up and hype to get something to happen. Why are revivals nowdays only filled with Christians ? I thought real revivals were where people who didnt know Christ were being added to the church in large numbers. Not a bunch of people who are already Christians looking for the next spiritual high fix. It's the equivilant of someone who follows the grateful dead around the country. I came out of a highly charismatic church where they followed who's who of the charismatic zoo almost more than they followed Jesus. I've noticed something since leaving church going on 2 years my entire walk has leveled out. Since leaving a highly charismatic hyper-spiritual enviroment - not only have I seen Jesus more clearly, but I dont have the spiritually high moment one day then the next day complaining why God hasnt spoken to me in 24 hours.. Everything seems to have leveled out.

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

I'm just tired of all the charismatic nonesense... The Rick Joyners the Bill Johnsons, The Todd Bentleys... I've enjoyed and learned some things from them and in my heart I do love them. It just seems to me they are more interested in furthering their own agendas. All this drumming up and hype to get something to happen. Why are revivals nowdays only filled with Christians ? I thought real revivals were where people who didnt know Christ were being added to the church in large numbers. Not a bunch of people who are already Christians looking for the next spiritual high fix. It's the equivilant of someone who follows the grateful dead around the country. I came out of a highly charismatic church where they followed who's who of the charismatic zoo almost more than they followed Jesus. I've noticed something since leaving church going on 2 years my entire walk has leveled out. Since leaving a highly charismatic hyper-spiritual enviroment - not only have I seen Jesus more clearly, but I dont have the spiritually high moment one day then the next day complaining why God hasnt spoken to me in 24 hours.. Everything seems to have leveled out.

TESTIFY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Desperaux]

True revivals are those where souls are won for Christ, but then again, the word "revival" pertains to the reviving of what was once alive but has lost its fire---much like the revivals we have seen in this generation, where believers are infused with a new presence of the Holy Spirit. Nothing wrong with that--we need it in this cynical, compromising culture.