Today in Trump

[essentialsaltes]

Trump goes on Dr. Oz show.

 

[MrSpikey]

It's a fact that most immigrants tend to vote Democratic

Trump seems pretty emphatic about the large numbers in his statement. It does seem that any attempt at outreach the RP has made over recent years has fallen flat. It's almost as if they can't dispel their inherent beliefs about how recent immigrants think, instead relying on stereotypes that many would find offensive and repellent.

mainly because they are used to being dependent upon government and take it for granted.

 

[MrSpikey]

A look into the Trump Foundation. Trump hasn't shared his tax returns, but the foundation has to report publicly, allowing some insight into Trump's philanthropy.

Trump hasn't donated to his own charity since 2008.

At times, Trump was just acting as a middleman for other people's money, while taking the credit.

"Trump had earlier gone to a charity in New Jersey — the Charles Evans Foundation, named for a deceased businessman — and asked for a donation. Trump said he was raising money for the Palm Beach Police Foundation.

The Evans Foundation said yes. In 2009 and 2010, it gave a total of $150,000 to the Donald J. Trump Foundation, ...

Then, Trump’s foundation turned around and made donations to the police group in South Florida. In those years, the Trump Foundation’s gifts totaled $150,000.

Trump had effectively turned the Evans Foundation’s gifts into his own gifts, without adding any money of his own."

Another interesting read arguing along related lines:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/trump-charity-donations/

 

[Albion]

Trump seems pretty emphatic about the large numbers in his statement. It does seem that any attempt at outreach the RP has made over recent years has fallen flat. It's almost as if they can't dispel their inherent beliefs about how recent immigrants think, instead relying on stereotypes that many would find offensive and repellent.

For myself, I have to say that I consider that line of analysis to badly miss the critical facts of the matter.

 

[MrSpikey]

For myself, I have to say that I consider that line of analysis to badly miss the critical facts of the matter.

What do you think they are?

The ongoing process within the RP to try and address this issue has been played out at least partly in public, and doesn't seem to have achieved any noticeable results.

So what are the reasons for that?

 

[Albion]

The Party has traditionally given up the Black vote for lost...and for good reason, with that constituency almost completely in the Democrat Party pocket. And there generally has not been much action in the direction of Hispanics, except for a few Republicans (like George W. Bush) acting basically on their own. In other words, it's not that the Republican outreach, as you put it, has fallen flat; it's that it hasn't had much air in it to begin with. Trump is really "boldly going where no Republican has gone before," and there is some indication that it's paying dividends.

 

[MrSpikey]

The Party has traditionally given up the Black vote for lost...and for good reason, with that constituency almost completely in the Democrat Party pocket.

Why do you think that is?

And there generally has not been much action in the direction of Hispanics, except for a few Republicans (like George W. Bush) acting basically on their own. In other words, it's not that the Republican outreach, as you put it, has fallen flat; it's that it hasn't had much air in it to begin with.

That was rather my point - recognizing the changing demographics led to an attempt at a strategy, but this floundered quickly.

Still, the demographics are changing. You'd think there would be a lot more emphasis on addressing this, unless there was some fundamental problem involved with it.

Trump is really "boldly going where no Republican has gone before," and there is some indication that it's paying dividends.

Well, I'm not sure "what have you got to lose" qualifies as a strategy, but the level of dividend will be visible soon enough.

 

[Albion]

That was rather my point - recognizing the changing demographics led to an attempt at a strategy, but this floundered quickly.

Hmm. That isn't what you seemed to say...and it's too soon to declare the attempt to be a failure.

Still, the demographics are changing. You'd think there would be a lot more emphasis on addressing this, unless there was some fundamental problem involved with it.

There can't possibly be an addressing of it that can keep up with the administration's recruitment of millions of low skilled immigrants. In time, there could be such, but by then the opportunity will not exist.

Well, I'm not sure "what have you got to lose" qualifies as a strategy

And I don't know who told you that it is a strategy. As the slogan or theme or appeal that it is, it might be good, partially because of its directness and reasonableness.

 

[MrSpikey]

Hmm. That isn't what you seemed to say...and it's too soon to declare the attempt to be a failure.

I did mention it in my OP, snarky lines aside.

The push has been ongoing for a while now from certain quarters (that some would describe as GOPe etc), but I've yet to see it get to the point where it becomes an actual part of the Presidential strategy - it seems to founder way before that in a froth of visceral realpolitik.

Still, you may still have time to make it work. Not, apparently according to Trump, Bachmann et al, but I think there is a bit longer left yet.

There can't possibly be an addressing of it that can keep up with the administration's recruitment of millions of low skilled immigrants. In time, there could be such, but by then the opportunity will not exist.

Sorry, you've lost me there - what are the government positions being offered to all these low skilled immigrants?

And I don't know who told you that it is. As the slogan or campaign theme or appeal that it is, it might be good, partially because of its directness and reasonableness.

I don't think it is a strategy. Or even a good tactic.

 

[Albion]

The push has been ongoing for a while now from certain quarters (that some would describe as GOPe etc), but I've yet to see it get to the point where it becomes an actual part of the Presidential strategy - it seems to founder way before that in a froth of visceral realpolitik.

What I'd say is that there has been talk going on for some time now that the party needs to do something, but regardless of what anyone thinks of Trump generally, what he's done in the past month or so on this particular front is much more meaningful than the formalized gestures that were the Party's stock in trade previously--giving a speech to the NAACP, saying something nice about MLKing etc.

Still, you may still have time to make it work. Not, apparently according to Trump, Bachmann et al, but I think there is a bit longer left yet.

We'll see. I think that the math is undeniable and will take effect almost immediately.

Sorry, you've lost me there - what are the government positions being offered to all these low skilled immigrants?

Did either of us make mention of "government positions?"

 

[MrSpikey]

What I'd say is that there has been talk going on for some time now that the party needs to do something, but regardless of what anyone thinks of Trump generally, what he's done in the past month or so on this particular front is much more meaningful than the formalized gestures that were the Party's stock in trade previously--giving a speech to the NAACP, saying something nice about MLKing etc.

Perhaps viewing such things as pointless is a contributor to the overall failure to understand why some sections of the population aren't voting your way?

We'll see. I think that the math is undeniable and will take effect almost immediately.

In which case, if it isn't already too soon to declare it's failure, it very nearly is.

Did either of us make mention of "government positions?"

I did say you lost me - specifically with "the administration's recruitment of millions of low skilled immigrants". I can only read that as the administration recruiting lots of low skilled immigrants.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The Party has traditionally given up the Black vote for lost...and for good reason, with that constituency almost completely in the Democrat Party pocket.

"Are they "in the pocket," or is it as simple has "having no confidence that the RP cares about their interests"?

And there generally has not been much action in the direction of Hispanics, except for a few Republicans (like George W. Bush) acting basically on their own. In other words, it's not that the Republican outreach, as you put it, has fallen flat; it's that it hasn't had much air in it to begin with.

Sounds like you're admitting that the RP has done nothing, and that's why nothing gets done.

Trump is really "boldly going where no Republican has gone before," and there is some indication that it's paying dividends.

But is it too little, too late, too insincere?

After all, "What do [they] have to lose?"

 

[essentialsaltes]

But though the event was billed as a news conference to set the record straight on Obama's birthplace, Trump ignored reporters standing on their chairs, shouting questions. He also made only a brief statement of a few sentences on the controversy, spending much of the time being boosted by campaign surrogates and touting his hotel.

And then, when Trump was supposed to take the press on a tour of his new hotel, the editorial producer for the network pool was physically detained.

In a show of joint defiance, the major television networks collectively voted to pull a camera and erase video of Donald Trump giving a tour of his hotel.

 

[essentialsaltes]

While the Log Cabin Republicans call him "one of the best, if not the best, pro-gay Republican candidates to ever run for the presidency," Trump himself says he opposes the "shocking decision" to allow gay people to marry.

Which Trump is he? Given that this is a Supreme Court decision, you can expect that he will do as much as Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 did about abortion. Nothing. Diddly squat. And Trump probably doesn't want to do anything about it either.

 

[Vylo]

Ahem. As I said, that's all an expression of your own feelings.

The article that you linked us to and which, presumably, was going verify your statement....didn't.

Anyway, I think there was one Latino supporter who withdrew from the Trump campaign, and Trump has increased his appeals to minorities lately, if anything. It's a fact that most immigrants tend to vote Democratic, mainly because they are used to being dependent upon government and take it for granted. But the assumption that legal residents of the USA who have immigrated are automatically in favor of open borders is a mistaken notion.

maybe, just maybe they are democratic because they see ads from reoublicans calling them leeches and scum, and encounter supporters with similar views, all while working harder than most Americans for less pay....

 

[J Cord]

Trump is really "boldly going where no Republican has gone before," and there is some indication that it's paying dividends.

Yes, Trump is playing on his supporter's hate and fear, and it is paying dividends. He has "boldly gone when no Republican has gone before" in regards to a POTUS candidate, because no other Republican leader was willing to be so blatantly racist. They were willing to cloak it in the Southern Strategy, but they were never willing to do what Trump is doing and openly court racists to join their campaign.

 

[TLK Valentine]

And today...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/22/trump-ohio-campaign-chair-no-racism-before-obama

Donald Trump’s campaign chair in a prominent Ohio county has claimed there was “no racism” during the 1960s and said black people who have not succeeded over the past half-century only have themselves to blame.

And remember, boys and girls, Trump will succeed even when he doesn't know something by surrounding himself with experts like this.

 

[essentialsaltes]

And remember, boys and girls, Trump will succeed even when he doesn't know something by surrounding himself with experts like this.

Trump probably agrees, since the 1960s (or the 1860s) can't have been as bad as today.

Trump: "our African-American communities are absolutely in the worst shape they've ever been in before. Ever, ever ever."

 

[TLK Valentine]

Trump probably agrees, since the 1960s (or the 1860s) can't have been as bad as today.

Trump: "our African-American communities are absolutely in the worst shape they've ever been in before. Ever, ever ever."

ever ever?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Not long after securing the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police, Trump finds the Tulsa police shooting of an unarmed black man 'troubling'.