Passover is an uniquely Jewish affair. It's tribal- the easiest way to describe it. A good analogy for this here site would be Christmas and Easter rolled into one, but only applicable to the Irish Catholics. The first Passover was only a Jewish affair at the pivotal point. It is reasonable to have the rememberance of that event celebrated in the same manner- circumcision being the sign of belonging to the tribe.Much has been written on this and I won't quote from every source.
Some believe that gentiles were allowed to keep the feast, just that they weren't allowed to eat of the sacrifice. They were allowed the cups of wine, the matzoh, bitter herbs etc, just not the lamb.
There is also a general agreement that the point is moot since there is no temple today so all believers can keep the feast.
But the instructions G-d gave say only the circumcised can partake.
PLEASE NOTE: This thread is in the Messianic Judaism forum and also is for MJ's only to debate. All posts disregarding this or Off TOPIC will be deleted.
Lets look at the Torah instructions
Deut 16
1 Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the L-RD thy God: for in the month of Abib the L-RD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night.
2 Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the L-RD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the L-RD shall choose to place his name there.
3 Thou shalt eat no leavened bread with it; seven days shalt thou eat unleavened bread therewith, even the bread of affliction; for thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt in haste: that thou mayest remember the day when thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt all the days of thy life.
4 And there shall be no leavened bread seen with thee in all thy coast seven days; neither shall there any thing of the flesh, which thou sacrificedst the first day at even, remain all night until the morning.
5 Thou mayest not sacrifice the passover within any of thy gates, which the L-RD thy God giveth thee:
6 But at the place which the L-RD thy God shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt.
7 And thou shalt roast and eat it in the place which the L-RD thy God shall choose: and thou shalt turn in the morning, and go unto thy tents.
8 Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day shall be a solemn assembly to the L-RD thy God: thou shalt do no work therein.
from EXODUS 12
43 And the L-RD said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof:
44 But every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof.
45 A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof.
46 In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof.
47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.
48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.
John 1 shows us the True Passover Lamb
28 All this happened at Bethany beyond the Jordan, where John was baptizing.
29 The next day John saw Yeshua coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Now let's look at what Yeshua said in John 6:
31 'Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.'
32 Then Yeshua said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35 And Yeshua said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst........
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
48 I am that bread of life.
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
53 Then Yeshua said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat (food) indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
From 1 Peter
…18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life you inherited from your forefathers,
19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or spot.
20 He was known before the foundation of the world, but was revealed in the last times for your sake.…
In Revelation we read of Yeshua being referred to many times as the Lamb.
"because the Lamb in the middle of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to
springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."
Then the angel said to me, "Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the
wedding supper of the Lamb!" And he added, "These are the true words of God."
'It was flowing from the throne of God and the lamb.' ...
'The salvation is to Him who is
sitting upon the throne -- to our God, and to the Lamb!'
'I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are
its temple. ...'
'and sang the song of God's servant Moses and of the Lamb: "Great and
marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty. Just and true ...'
This lamb was prophesied back in Genesis 22
... Abraham answered, "God will provide a lamb for the burnt offering,
Son." The two of them went on together. ...
So from the testimony of these verses we must conclude the following things:
1. That Yeshua is the Passover Lamb
2. Yeshua is the bread from heaven
3. Yeshua is the true unblemished sacrifice
Now add to that........
Luke 18 For I tell you that I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the kingdom of God comes.”
19 And He took the bread (matzah), gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body, given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”
Mark 26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
Now we can see that Yeshua has stated that he is the bread that came down from heaven, he is also called the Lamb of G-d, the Passover lamb.
From this I see that the lamb and the matzoh of the Seder are one and the same.
We don't sacrifice the lamb for Passover today because there is no temple, but also because we believe in the true Passover lamb, Yeshua.
When we remember and keep the Passover we see the Matzoh as the bread from heaven, the body of Yeshua, the unblemished lamb. If we participate in this and the ordinances for keeping the Passover say that one must be circumcised why is that not held to?
What do you think circumcision has to do with eating of the Passover lamb or in this case the Matzah at the Seder meal?
QUESTION 1: If we participate in this and the ordinances for keeping the Passover say that one must be circumcised why is that not held to?
QUESTION 2:
What do you think circumcision has to do with eating of the Passover lamb or in this case the Matzah at the Seder meal?
A male who is uncircumcised within the 'family of G_d' is guilty of repudiating G_d's Covenant and must be cut off from G_d's people, ergo, to take part in the Passover one is reaffirming that Covenant made when they were circumcised.
What Yeshua and His disciples did the night He was betrayed was not the Passover Seder. That was the following night.
Therefore, the cup and the bread should be taken on Abib 14 and the Passover Seder on Abib 15.
in order to leave egypt?Much has been written on this and I won't quote from every source.
Some believe that gentiles were allowed to keep the feast, just that they weren't allowed to eat of the sacrifice. They were allowed the cups of wine, the matzoh, bitter herbs etc, just not the lamb.
There is also a general agreement that the point is moot since there is no temple today so all believers can keep the feast.
But the instructions G-d gave say only the circumcised can partake.
PLEASE NOTE: This thread is in the Messianic Judaism forum and also is for MJ's only to debate. All posts disregarding this or Off TOPIC will be deleted.
Lets look at the Torah instructions
Deut 16
1 Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the L-RD thy God: for in the month of Abib the L-RD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night.
2 Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the L-RD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the L-RD shall choose to place his name there.
3 Thou shalt eat no leavened bread with it; seven days shalt thou eat unleavened bread therewith, even the bread of affliction; for thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt in haste: that thou mayest remember the day when thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt all the days of thy life.
4 And there shall be no leavened bread seen with thee in all thy coast seven days; neither shall there any thing of the flesh, which thou sacrificedst the first day at even, remain all night until the morning.
5 Thou mayest not sacrifice the passover within any of thy gates, which the L-RD thy God giveth thee:
6 But at the place which the L-RD thy God shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt.
7 And thou shalt roast and eat it in the place which the L-RD thy God shall choose: and thou shalt turn in the morning, and go unto thy tents.
8 Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day shall be a solemn assembly to the L-RD thy God: thou shalt do no work therein.
from EXODUS 12
43 And the L-RD said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof:
44 But every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof.
45 A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof.
46 In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof.
47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.
48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.
John 1 shows us the True Passover Lamb
28 All this happened at Bethany beyond the Jordan, where John was baptizing.
29 The next day John saw Yeshua coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Now let's look at what Yeshua said in John 6:
31 'Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.'
32 Then Yeshua said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35 And Yeshua said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst........
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
48 I am that bread of life.
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
53 Then Yeshua said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat (food) indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
From 1 Peter
…18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life you inherited from your forefathers,
19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or spot.
20 He was known before the foundation of the world, but was revealed in the last times for your sake.…
In Revelation we read of Yeshua being referred to many times as the Lamb.
"because the Lamb in the middle of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to
springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."
Then the angel said to me, "Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the
wedding supper of the Lamb!" And he added, "These are the true words of God."
'It was flowing from the throne of God and the lamb.' ...
'The salvation is to Him who is
sitting upon the throne -- to our God, and to the Lamb!'
'I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are
its temple. ...'
'and sang the song of God's servant Moses and of the Lamb: "Great and
marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty. Just and true ...'
This lamb was prophesied back in Genesis 22
... Abraham answered, "God will provide a lamb for the burnt offering,
Son." The two of them went on together. ...
So from the testimony of these verses we must conclude the following things:
1. That Yeshua is the Passover Lamb
2. Yeshua is the bread from heaven
3. Yeshua is the true unblemished sacrifice
Now add to that........
Luke 18 For I tell you that I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the kingdom of God comes.”
19 And He took the bread (matzah), gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body, given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”
Mark 26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
Now we can see that Yeshua has stated that he is the bread that came down from heaven, he is also called the Lamb of G-d, the Passover lamb.
From this I see that the lamb and the matzoh of the Seder are one and the same.
We don't sacrifice the lamb for Passover today because there is no temple, but also because we believe in the true Passover lamb, Yeshua.
When we remember and keep the Passover we see the Matzoh as the bread from heaven, the body of Yeshua, the unblemished lamb. If we participate in this and the ordinances for keeping the Passover say that one must be circumcised why is that not held to?
What do you think circumcision has to do with eating of the Passover lamb or in this case the Matzah at the Seder meal?
Leviticus 23:5-6 (JPS 1985)
5 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, at twilight, there shall be a passover offering to the LORD, (butchering the lambs)
6 and on the fifteenth day of that month the LORD's Feast of Unleavened Bread. You shall eat unleavened bread for seven days.
Conclusion: The weightier evidence, both historical and scriptural, is clearly in favor of "between the evenings" meaning a time period before sunset.
I gave you Scripture with commentary and all you have for me is more translations supporting your view? I can give you many supporting my view, but that would be fruitless.Wrong!
... "between the evenings" was originally interpreted in the Torah by Moses and the Israelites as the time between sunset and the beginning of night when no more daylight was reflected into the sky ... approximately 90 minutes ... or in other words twilight as several translations read when correctly understood. Just because the Sanhedrin turned at even into 6 hours of declining afternoon sun goes to show how they had corrupted the original meaning to satisfy their own tradition(law) and not the LORDs.
The notion by the religious leaders that "between the evenings" means approx 6 hours of afternoon daylight during the 2nd Temple period is an example of doing their own thing.
The Jerusalem Publication Society has it right considering that twilight DOESN'T mean 6 hours of afternoon daylight. The JPS 1985 is as excellent an English translation of the Tanach as currently available.
Exodus 12:6 (JPS 1985)
You shall keep watch over it until the fourteenth day of this month; and all the assembled congregation of the Israelites shall slaughter it at twilight.
Leviticus 23:5 (JPS 1985)
In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, at twilight, there shall be a passover offering to the LORD,
Numbers 9:3 (JPS 1985)
you shall offer it on the fourteenth day of this month, at twilight, at its set time; you shall offer it in accordance with all its rules and rites.
Was Yeshua going to hold a conference for the Sanhedrin, Sadducees, Pharisees, scribes and elders to instruct them in the error of their own tradition possibly for the sake of convenience? NO, Yeshua kept his mouth shut knowing that to challenge their tradition would only bring more ridicule upon Himself.
Matthew 23:3
therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them.
I guess I have a bit of a different take on the whole circumcized thing. IMHO, this stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of Acts 15
15:1 “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”
One needs to consider the entire context of Acts 15:1-35. The teaching doctrine of the circumcision group from Judea was about who "cannot be saved" not about who cannot attend the Feasts of the LORD in Jerusalem. Is there any discussion in the Book of Acts or any of the other NT Books about whether or not non-Jewish Christians can or cannot attend the Feast of Passover and Unleavened Bread?
There should be no fundamental misunderstanding of Acts 15:1-35, because the circumcision controversy doesn't mention anything about non-Jewish Christians attending or not attending any of the Feasts of the LORD in Jerusalem. Isn't it just assumed that non-Jewish Christians knew enough not to even try to attend any of the Jewish Feasts of the LORD in Jerusalem?
Uncircumcised non-Jewish Christians from Antioch knew better than to even attempt to attend the Feast of Passover and Unleavened Bread in Jerusalem? And a Messianic Jew knew better than to invite a non-Jewish Christian to attend a Feast of Passover and Unleavened Bread in Jerusalem.
You made the mistake of taking Acts 15:1 out of context thinkingIt plain says in verse 1 what the debate is about. Nothing you can say will change what scripture clearly states.
Uncircumcised non-Jewish Christians from Antioch knew better than to even attempt to attend the Feast of Passover and Unleavened Bread in Jerusalem? And a Messianic Jew knew better than to invite a non-Jewish Christian to attend a Feast of Passover and Unleavened Bread in Jerusalem.
This debate is NOT about non-Jewish Christians from Antioch that can't be saved unless they are circumcised. The context of Acts 15:1-35 mentions nothing about the Lord's Feast of Passover and Unleavened Bread, but rather about whether the non-Jewish Christians at Antioch cannot be saved without undergoing b’rit-milah in the manner prescribed by Moshe.You made the mistake of taking Acts 15:1 out of context thinking
it is about the Feast of Passover and Unleavened Bread.
Acts 15:1
But some men came down from Y’hudah to Antioch and began teaching the brothers, “You can’t be saved unless you undergo b’rit-milah in the manner prescribed by Moshe.”
The verse you should've chosen pertaining to this Pesach debate is Numbers 9:14.
Numbers 9:14In so many words circumcision is mandatory for a non-Jewish Christian to convert to Judaism if he wants to attend the Feast of Unleavened Bread and Passover.
If a foreigner is staying with you and wants to observe Pesach for Adonai, he is to do it according to the regulations and rules of Pesach — you are to have the same law for the foreigner as for the citizen of the land.’”
If you had read the last paragraph of my previous post (#32) you would've understood that a non-Jewish uncircumcised Christian wouldn't be welcome to attend the Feast of Unleavened Bread and Passover in Jerusalem.
So before you fly off the handle again (#33) please read all of my previous post (#32) to understand that we agree that an uncircumcised male non-Jewish Christian from Antioch was not allowed to attend the Feast of Unleavened Bread and Passover.
Much has been written on this and I won't quote from every source.
Some believe that gentiles were allowed to keep the feast, just that they weren't allowed to eat of the sacrifice. They were allowed the cups of wine, the matzoh, bitter herbs etc, just not the lamb.
There is also a general agreement that the point is moot since there is no temple today so all believers can keep the feast.
But the instructions G-d gave say only the circumcised can partake.
PLEASE NOTE: This thread is in the Messianic Judaism forum and also is for MJ's only to debate. All posts disregarding this or Off TOPIC will be deleted.
Lets look at the Torah instructions
Deut 16
1 Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the L-RD thy God: for in the month of Abib the L-RD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night.
2 Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the L-RD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the L-RD shall choose to place his name there.
3 Thou shalt eat no leavened bread with it; seven days shalt thou eat unleavened bread therewith, even the bread of affliction; for thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt in haste: that thou mayest remember the day when thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt all the days of thy life.
4 And there shall be no leavened bread seen with thee in all thy coast seven days; neither shall there any thing of the flesh, which thou sacrificedst the first day at even, remain all night until the morning.
5 Thou mayest not sacrifice the passover within any of thy gates, which the L-RD thy God giveth thee:
6 But at the place which the L-RD thy God shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt.
7 And thou shalt roast and eat it in the place which the L-RD thy God shall choose: and thou shalt turn in the morning, and go unto thy tents.
8 Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day shall be a solemn assembly to the L-RD thy God: thou shalt do no work therein.
from EXODUS 12
43 And the L-RD said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof:
44 But every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof.
45 A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof.
46 In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof.
47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.
48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.
John 1 shows us the True Passover Lamb
28 All this happened at Bethany beyond the Jordan, where John was baptizing.
29 The next day John saw Yeshua coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Now let's look at what Yeshua said in John 6:
31 'Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.'
32 Then Yeshua said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35 And Yeshua said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst........
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
48 I am that bread of life.
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
53 Then Yeshua said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat (food) indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
From 1 Peter
…18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life you inherited from your forefathers,
19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or spot.
20 He was known before the foundation of the world, but was revealed in the last times for your sake.…
In Revelation we read of Yeshua being referred to many times as the Lamb.
"because the Lamb in the middle of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to
springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."
Then the angel said to me, "Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the
wedding supper of the Lamb!" And he added, "These are the true words of God."
'It was flowing from the throne of God and the lamb.' ...
'The salvation is to Him who is
sitting upon the throne -- to our God, and to the Lamb!'
'I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are
its temple. ...'
'and sang the song of God's servant Moses and of the Lamb: "Great and
marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty. Just and true ...'
This lamb was prophesied back in Genesis 22
... Abraham answered, "God will provide a lamb for the burnt offering,
Son." The two of them went on together. ...
So from the testimony of these verses we must conclude the following things:
1. That Yeshua is the Passover Lamb
2. Yeshua is the bread from heaven
3. Yeshua is the true unblemished sacrifice
Now add to that........
Luke 18 For I tell you that I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the kingdom of God comes.”
19 And He took the bread (matzah), gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body, given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”
Mark 26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
Now we can see that Yeshua has stated that he is the bread that came down from heaven, he is also called the Lamb of G-d, the Passover lamb.
From this I see that the lamb and the matzoh of the Seder are one and the same.
We don't sacrifice the lamb for Passover today because there is no temple, but also because we believe in the true Passover lamb, Yeshua.
When we remember and keep the Passover we see the Matzoh as the bread from heaven, the body of Yeshua, the unblemished lamb. If we participate in this and the ordinances for keeping the Passover say that one must be circumcised why is that not held to?
What do you think circumcision has to do with eating of the Passover lamb or in this case the Matzah at the Seder meal?
So for as walking in prayer and the thre gates with seven steps.so perhaps being circumcised before leaving.
when i hear of gates, i am reminded of forgiveness and the three gates spoken of by ezekiel in the vision.
then there is the altar to leave a gift....
If reconciled and remaining in the vine then a person enters with a whole tithe.
of course then there is something well beyond that i have rarely heard about from even the most studious torah student.
the silver and gold of the Miskhan and the Most Holy Place.
so, many planks of gold
so man foundations of silver
so many bars.
And yet no one wants to talk about how to place them appropriately.
True,Passover is an uniquely Jewish affair. It's tribal- the easiest way to describe it. A good analogy for this here site would be Christmas and Easter rolled into one, but only applicable to the Irish Catholics. The first Passover was only a Jewish affair at the pivotal point. It is reasonable to have the rememberance of that event celebrated in the same manner- circumcision being the sign of belonging to the tribe.
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