To Drink or not to Drink--That is the Question!!

[deu58]

Hi Olikamay

Well--if you read the text carefully--it concerns the "second tithe" that the Hebrews were to set aside for "festivals" of the Lord. The crux of the whole senerio is that if they had too much to bring to Jerusalem from where they lived--they were to sell those goods, bring the money with them, then buy whatever staples they would need both for "offerings" and for meals. Now were does the text say that were to get "drunker than skunks" as you put it.As a matter of fact--anyone who was "lusting" after booze to get drunk was a "Alcoholic" and what does the scripture say about that?? 1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
So no Deu--these ppl were not getting drunk as you imply. Also-look at verse 27, it tells them to be sure and share what they have with the Levites--and you know that Levites were to have nothing of the "fruit of the vine". I sincerely believe that you have taken this text--out of context. Be careful not to give a young Christian to idea that God is pleased with drunkenness.

For one, You have confused the Nazerene vow with the levitical preisthood,

It is the Nazerenes who were not permited to drink, The Levites were not permited to drink if they were to perform temple duties,

As to the verse, it plainly says what it says, They were to buy what ever their souls lusted after and rejoice in the presence of the lord.

It does not say that they should give the money to the priest, It clearly states,

De 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine,

pretty plain stuff here brother, Are you using KJV? Maybe another version says it differently but I use KJV,

Yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[SassySDA]

Well--if you read the text carefully--it concerns the "second tithe" that the Hebrews were to set aside for "festivals" of the Lord. The crux of the whole senerio is that if they had too much to bring to Jerusalem from where they lived--they were to sell those goods, bring the money with them, then buy whatever staples they would need both for "offerings" and for meals. Now were does the text say that were to get "drunker than skunks" as you put it.As a matter of fact--anyone who was "lusting" after booze to get drunk was a "Alcoholic" and what does the scripture say about that?? 1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
So no Deu--these ppl were not getting drunk as you imply. Also-look at verse 27, it tells them to be sure and share what they have with the Levites--and you know that Levites were to have nothing of the "fruit of the vine". I sincerely believe that you have taken this text--out of context. Be careful not to give a young Christian to idea that God is pleased with drunkenness.

MANY people misinterpret that text. Alcoholics especially love it. They think it's their ticket to spend their lives "wasted" AND with God's permission.

That doesn't even make sense...

 

[Olikamay]

MANY people misinterpret that text. Alcoholics especially love it. They think it's their ticket to spend their lives "wasted" AND with God's permission.

That doesn't even make sense...

I agree Sassy!!

 

[honorthesabbath]

Yeah, I think your right Sassy, people who want to drink or abuse wives or say that blacks came from Ham and therefore deserve to be slaves--they ALL use the bible to "back up" their desires. Is this what is referred to as "wrest to their own destruction"??

 

[statrei]

Yeah, I think your right Sassy, people who want to drink or abuse wives or say that blacks came from Ham and therefore deserve to be slaves--they ALL use the bible to "back up" their desires. Is this what is referred to as "wrest to their own destruction"??

How do those three menus get on the same plate?

 

[HoneyDew]

How do those three menus get on the same plate?

At first glance they seem to be, but when I reread I got what she is saying.
But now that there is mention of Ham, this leads me to Noah. He obviously had something stronger than grape juice.

 

[honorthesabbath]

At first glance they seem to be, but when I reread I got what she is saying.
But now that there is mention of Ham, this leads me to Noah. He obviously had something stronger than grape juice.

LOL--yes Honey, Noah DID have something stronger than fresh juice. And look at the shameful results. Noah is on the list of the bibles "hall of shame" imbibers. The story given to us to be a lesson in the dangers of walking onto enchanted ground.

Honor

 

[SpeakNow]

Look at what happened to Lot when he passed out from being drunk. Imagine paying child support for your own grandchildren.

 

[SpeakNow]

Deu, if you'll scroll back some pages on this thread you'll see that happywiththelord provided scripture that the second tithe went toward an offering before the Lord. The people buying it never ingested it, they poured it out.

 

[jonno]

In most of the replies in this thread, I sense an agreement on the dangers of consuming alcohol. Most would agree that this practise can lead to destruction in various areas.
In my study of this issue I have come to the following conclusion:
Excesses in any practise could be destructive in various degrees.
the bible does not prohibit the use of intoxicating drink
The bible does warn against the abuse of such and lists the results thereof.
If anyone can show me in the bible where God prohibits the use of intoxicating drink in normal daily life, I am prepared to change my stand.
Remember that gluttony is a sin along with drunkeness, but nowhere are we prohibited to eat. Remember, the use of wine is not "drunkeness". Drunkeness is a result of the abuse thereof.
as you correctly comment that the absence of prohibition in the bible should not be used as a licence to abuse and commit the results thereof, likewise the word of God should not be used to prohibit when it does not say that.
These comments in no way encourages the use of alcohol, but only a humble attempt to correctly divide the word of truth.
God bless

 

[Cliff2]

In most of the replies in this thread, I sense an agreement on the dangers of consuming alcohol. Most would agree that this practise can lead to destruction in various areas.
In my study of this issue I have come to the following conclusion:
Excesses in any practise could be destructive in various degrees.
the bible does not prohibit the use of intoxicating drink
The bible does warn against the abuse of such and lists the results thereof.
If anyone can show me in the bible where God prohibits the use of intoxicating drink in normal daily life, I am prepared to change my stand.
Remember that gluttony is a sin along with drunkeness, but nowhere are we prohibited to eat. Remember, the use of wine is not "drunkeness". Drunkeness is a result of the abuse thereof.
as you correctly comment that the absence of prohibition in the bible should not be used as a licence to abuse and commit the results thereof, likewise the word of God should not be used to prohibit when it does not say that.
These comments in no way encourages the use of alcohol, but only a humble attempt to correctly divide the word of truth.
God bless

There are many things that are bad for us that the Bible does not forbid. That does not inmdicate that we should use them just because the Bible may be silent in absolute terms.

There is enough there for us to leave out the use of alcohol in any way.

 

[Believer-in-Christ]

People say we can control what we drink but it's better to stay away from the stuff altogether.

 

[Cliff2]

People say we can control what we drink but it's better to stay away from the stuff altogether.

Amen, stay away from it!

 

[jonno]

There are many things that are bad for us that the Bible does not forbid. That does not inmdicate that we should use them just because the Bible may be silent in absolute terms.

There is enough there for us to leave out the use of alcohol in any way.

Yes. I agree with everything you say. For the record I myself do not partake thereof but I am careful not to use the scriptures in discussions when I know it does not forbid it.

 

[honorthesabbath]

I said this once, but perhaps it bares repeating. The bible never mentions cocaine or meth, but we know enough about these drugs to know that even a little bit, may be deadly. Why play on the devils swingset? The potential for degradation and death is there, just as it is with alcohol, so why mess with it? Since both alcohol and cocaine are mind altering substances, then it begs the question, "how much cocaine can be sniffed before the Lord consideres it "drunkenness"?? One snort?? TWO?? How many?? One beer?? Two?? And let the record show, that MOST people don't WANT to stop when that "feeling" hits them. OH NO--it's bare the door Katie from that point on.
God tells us to not even LOOK upon the juice when it ferments--I think the warning is sufficient.

 

[Cliff2]

I said this once, but perhaps it bares repeating. The bible never mentions cocaine or meth, but we know enough about these drugs to know that even a little bit, may be deadly. Why play on the devils swingset? The potential for degradation and death is there, just as it is with alcohol, so why mess with it? Since both alcohol and cocaine are mind altering substances, then it begs the question, "how much cocaine can be sniffed before the Lord consideres it "drunkenness"?? One snort?? TWO?? How many?? One beer?? Two?? And let the record show, that MOST people don't WANT to stop when that "feeling" hits them. OH NO--it's bare the door Katie from that point on.
God tells us to not even LOOK upon the juice when it ferments--I think the warning is sufficient.

Amen, stay away from it!

 

[happywiththelord]

Amen, Amen,...Stay away from it!!

 

[HoneyDew]

Maybe someone can explain Daniel 10:3.

 

[jonno]

Maybe someone can explain Daniel 10:3.

It is very clear that for three weeks while he was in mourning,he had no meat, wine nor did he annoint himself.....till 3 whole weeks had passed.


Strongs definition for wine.(as used in this verse)
H3196
יין

yayin

yah'-yin

From an unused root meaning to effervesce; wine (as fermented); by implication intoxication: - banqueting, wine, wine [-bibber].

 

[Cliff2]

Maybe someone can explain Daniel 10:3.

"3I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled." (KJV)

One thing for certain is does not mean Daniel drank alcoholic wine.

If you go back to the first chapter in Daniel and see how he did not take the food offered to him then, I am sure that he did not go back and now drink wine that was alcoholic.