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[skylark1]

Yes Skylark, perhaps I did misunderstand. But to what avail is there to go through study issues before understanding that without the Spirit's presence and witness, the study materials can mean many things. In a 3-D movie, the picture will look fuzzy and blurry. With the designed glasses, one sees the intended picture. God hides wisdom and light from man who are ruled by the spirit of man.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians2:11)


I do not call it attacking. I am presenting facts as I understand them. Tossing you a rope or lifeline is not attacking. That is what I perceive. You may tell me why my rope is not strong or flawed, but please do not imply that I am attacking you.

MF,
You are entitled to call what you are doing "tossing a rope" if you like. However, I am also entitled to consider as an attack your continual emphasis on telling Christians that they are not a part of the body of Christ, and are not led by the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ has rescued me. He didn't toss me a rope. He climbed down into the pit that I was in and gave his life for me.

If I may make it clear now. It is the divisions in Christianity that I see, in fact, as being evidence that the Holy Spirit did not, nor could not have followed with those divisions. People having different views or beliefs is to be expected because we expect the perfection process to be applied to imperfect people.
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

(New Testament | Ephesians4:11 - 13)

You are correct when you say that having different views are to be expected. We have not came to a unity of the faith yet. Traditional Christianity hasn't, and Mormonism hasn't.

1Corinthians 13
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

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We still see through a mirror dimly, but one day we shall see God face to face, and then we will know fully.

 

[skylark1]

FB: I don't think we are attacking that you do not have the spirit of God. What we are attacking is the attempt that Mainstream Christianity interprets what salvation means. That once saved always saved. That all one needs is belief. It was not that way when Christ was on earth and not that way today. It was never intended to be that, and many misinterpret the teachings of Paul. Christ taught believed and then follow me. That is more than believe and then be sealed.

I think that there is a misunderstanding among many LDS that traditional Christianity teaches the belief in salvation by faith alone means a lifetime of "cheap grace" in which we live as we please without submitting to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Traditional Christianity teaches that we are to follow Christ. I know of no Christian who believes otherwise. We are justified when we believe in Jesus Christ as our Savior, but we are to follow Jesus, abide in Him, and be sanctified.

 

[Rescued One]

God hides wisdom and light from man who are ruled by the spirit of man. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.1 Corinthians2:11
I do not call it attacking. I am presenting facts as I understand them. Tossing you a rope or lifeline is not attacking. That is what I perceive. You may tell me why my rope is not strong or flawed, but please do not imply that I am attacking you.

Christians don't throw lifelines to Christians. There are only saved Christians. Anyone who is not saved has never become a Christian.

You are correct that LDS members do not always believe the same things. And this fits perfectly in with what my implications are. Not all LDS have aligned their will or submissiveness to the Father. Those are corrections that we make everyday. The understanding we receive is like anyone else. It comes line upon line and precepte upon precept, as we make personal corrections to our stubborn and pridefull hearts (as is the case with all of mankind). That was always part of the plan of our Heavenly Father, to give us further light and knowledge as we were prepared to receive it.

I don't know of unsubmissive Christians. That's an oxymoron. Yes, the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth. And it isn't as if the Holy Spirit is only given to some Christians. There is no reference to the Spirit being withheld from God's family.

The important factor is that LDS do not divide from the root church, which teaches the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. With time, patience, and enduring the refiners fire, those that misunderstand doctrine can come to the correct understanding. Not all will do so.

The true gospel was taught in the early days of the church. It is still contained in the Bible. Christians all have the Holy Spirit Who teaches us truth.

If I may make it clear now. It is the divisions in Christianity that I see, in fact, as being evidence that the Holy Spirit did not, nor could not have followed with those divisions. People having different views or beliefs is to be expected because we expect the perfection process to be applied to imperfect people. And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Ephesians 4:11-12

Speaking of perfection:

Hebrews 10
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

 

[MormonFriend]

MF,
You are entitled to call what you are doing "tossing a rope" if you like. However, I am also entitled to consider as an attack your continual emphasis on telling Christians that they are not a part of the body of Christ, and are not led by the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ has rescued me. He didn't toss me a rope. He climbed down into the pit that I was in and gave his life for me.

If you know my motive is peaceful, how can you conclude it as an attack? My continual emphasis is supported by scripture. Yet there is no response to those points I made?
The continual emphasis, or my not giving up is congruous to the gospel of love. Love of fellowman is my motive.

I know that Jesus Christ rescued all of us. The principles and purposes of our life, and of salvation has been blurred by the apostasy. I have demonstrated doctrinal issues in Christianity that are not congruous with scripture or logic. I do not emphasize that I am right, and you must believe me. My emphasis is that each person individually appeals to God personally and ask Him those questions I have, which nobody will address here. Not everyone will hear His voice, that is certain. But if my points are in error, I am entitled to hear from you a reason for the hope that lies within you. I have shown why those reasons cannot be true, ... so far.

I am still open to hear how Christianity could have divided into separate denominations and have the Sprit of Truth follow each of those denominations, in conflict with God's Word that there are to be no divisions among you. How can anyone have confidence that Christianity today has the Spirit of Truth? If not the Spirit of Truth, what spirit gives you conviction of your beliefs? If you are not yet familiar with the Spirit of Truth, how can you correctly critique the message of the Restored Church? Please remember my motive. I am not the greatest diplomat. When I speak things directly, it may appear abrupt and offensive (hence you sense an attack). Know that I want freedom for all, and the truth is what makes us free.

 

[MormonFriend]

You are correct when you say that having different views are to be expected. We have not came to a unity of the faith yet. Traditional Christianity hasn't, and Mormonism hasn't.

And Christianity never will come to a unity of the faith, because the necessary components of Christ's true church have been removed. That was the message in Ephesians. Without the divinely called ministers as apostles and prophets, and the other offices of ministery. What was the purpose of these callings? "For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:"

And how long shall the church of Christ maintain these ministering offices? "Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:"

Since "Mormonism" has those offices restored, the work of the ministry for perfecting the saints, and the edification of the body of Christ goes on once again. Many LDS are more united than those outside can comprehend, because the nature of this unity is still foreign to them. What is seeable though, is that we have not divided.

 

[skylark1]

If you know my motive is peaceful, how can you conclude it as an attack? My continual emphasis is supported by scripture. Yet there is no response to those points I made?
The continual emphasis, or my not giving up is congruous to the gospel of love. Love of fellowman is my motive.

I know that Jesus Christ rescued all of us. The principles and purposes of our life, and of salvation has been blurred by the apostasy. I have demonstrated doctrinal issues in Christianity that are not congruous with scripture or logic. I do not emphasize that I am right, and you must believe me. My emphasis is that each person individually appeals to God personally and ask Him those questions I have, which nobody will address here. Not everyone will hear His voice, that is certain. But if my points are in error, I am entitled to hear from you a reason for the hope that lies within you. I have shown why those reasons cannot be true, ... so far.

I am still open to hear how Christianity could have divided into separate denominations and have the Sprit of Truth follow each of those denominations, in conflict with God's Word that there are to be no divisions among you. How can anyone have confidence that Christianity today has the Spirit of Truth? If not the Spirit of Truth, what spirit gives you conviction of your beliefs? If you are not yet familiar with the Spirit of Truth, how can you correctly critique the message of the Restored Church? Please remember my motive. I am not the greatest diplomat. When I speak things directly, it may appear abrupt and offensive (hence you sense an attack). Know that I want freedom for all, and the truth is what makes us free.

Hello MF,

All Christians have the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth. I have said before on this forum, and I will tell you again, that He guides me, teaches me, convicts me, and comforts me. I know his voice.

I have demonstrated doctrinal issues in Christianity that are not congruous with scripture or logic.

No, you haven't. What you have demonstrated is your unwillingness to listen to another point of view.

But if my points are in error, I am entitled to hear from you a reason for the hope that lies within you.

You are entitled to? Why?

 

[gort]

MF quote:

Since "Mormonism" has those offices restored, the work of the ministry for perfecting the saints, and the edification of the body of Christ goes on once again. Many LDS are more united than those outside can comprehend, because the nature of this unity is still foreign to them. What is seeable though, is that we have not divided.

Hello,

There are divisions in your church. Some believe this, and some believe that. Even what you may believe (such as becoming a god) is a division because it is not "official doctrine." There are other followers of JS who are divided against your church. They say that they are the one true church.

There was a show on "polygamy" last nite on A&E. Some had 4 and some had 8 wives. They claimed they would be gods.

There was a discussion here a bit ago about "asking for truth and getiing a burning bosom" ......some rejected that notion and others refuted that. Me being one of them.

All us chickens in here are united in the Gospel.


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[skylark1]

But if my points are in error, I am entitled to hear from you a reason for the hope that lies within you.

MF,

Although when I first read your response, I did not agree that you are "entitled" to hear from me an explanation for the reason for the hope that lies within me, scripture, God's word, instructs me to be always be ready to give an answer to anyone that asks me about the hope that is in me. If God thinks that you are entitled to hear the reason for the hope that is in me, who am I to argue?

I would have thought after all these months of posting here that you would have already read many of my reasons for the hope that is within me. I won't give you the same answer that I would give to an atheist, or a someone who does not believe in the divinity of Christ.

I think that you are asking me how I know that my sins have been forgiven, that I have been born again, made alive in Christ, adopted by God as his daughter, included in the body of Christ, and sealed by the Holy Spirit, who guides me, teaches me, convicts me, and comforts me. If I understand correctly, you did not ask me for reasons why I came to believe, but for reasons for the hope that is in me. Where applicable, I am going to list scriptural support (links) for my reasons. My faith in Christ comes from hearing the gospel (Romans 10:17). Studying both the OT and NT gives me encouragement and hope (Romans 15:4). The reason for the hope that is in me is that the Holy Spirit bears witness with my spirit (Romans 8:16). I read in Romans 5:1 that I have peace with God through Jesus Christ. I know the peace that passes understanding that can only come from Christ. It is the peace that always follows grace ... the peace that comes from being reconciled to God ... the peace that comes from resting and abiding in Him. This peace was not there before I became a believer.

Romans 5:5
5And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.

I think that this is so important. When God poured his love out into my heart by the Holy Spirit, it produced a change in me that created a love for God and a love for others that was unlike what I had before. It was prophesied that God would give his people a new heart, and that is what he has given me. I am not the same person as I was before.

There is a joy that I have that comes from the Holy Spirit. Hebrews 12:12 states that for the joy set before him, Jesus endured the cross ... that He gave his life so that we could live with God for eternity. It is that same joy that the Holy Spirit gives and lifts me up so that I am not dragged down by the problems or the world, but instead causes me to look to Him and share His love serving others.

The Holy Spirit guides me and teaches me. The Bible became alive to me after I became a believer! It was hard to believe that it was even the same book that I had read before, as the words suddenly had so much more meaning.

The Holy Spirit is also called the Comforter.

John 14
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Suffice it to say that He does comfort me, and he does bring the peace that passes all understanding ... the peace that only God can give.

Philippians 4
7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

 

[datan]

Hello,

All us chickens in here are united in the Gospel.

how did chickens get in?

 

[Frankie]

MF,

Although when I first read your response, I did not agree that you are "entitled" to hear from me an explanation for the reason for the hope that lies within me, scripture, God's word, instructs me to be always be ready to give an answer to anyone that asks me about the hope that is in me. If God thinks that you are entitled to hear the reason for the hope that is in me, who am I to argue?

I would have though after all these months of posting here that you would have already read many of my reasons for the hope that is within me. I won't give you the same answer that I would give to an atheist, or a someone who does not believe in the divinity of Christ.

I think that you are asking me how I know that my sins have been forgiven, that I have been born again, made alive in Christ, adopted by God as his daughter, included in the body of Christ, and sealed by the Holy Spirit, who guides me, teaches me, convicts me, and comforts me. If I undestand correctly, you did not ask me for reasons why I came to believe, but for reasons for the hope that is in me. Where applicable, I am going to list scriptural support (links) for my reasons. My faith in Christ comes from hearing the gospel (Romans 10:17). Studying both the OT and NT gives me encouragement and hope (Romans 15:4). The reason for the hope that is in me is that the Holy Spirit bears witness with my spirit (Romans 8:16). I read in Romans 5:1 that I have peace with God through Jesus Christ. I know the peace that passes understanding that can only come from Christ. It is the peace that always follows grace ... the peace that comes from being reconciled to God ... the peace that comes from resting and abiding in Him. This peace was not there before I became a believer.

Romans 5:5
5And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.

I think that this is so important. When God poured his love out into my heart by the Holy Spirit, it produced a change in me that created a love for God and a love for others that was unlike what I had before. It was prophesied that God would give his people a new heart, and that is what he has given me. I am not the same person as I was before.

There is a joy that I have that comes from the Holy Spirit. Hebrews 12:12 states that for the joy set before him, Jesus endured the cross ... that He gave his life so that we could live with God for eternity. It is that same joy that the Holy Spirit gives and lifts me up so that I am not dragged down by the problems or the world, but instead causes me to look to Him and share His love by serving others.

The Holy Spirit guides me and teaches me. The Bible became alive to me after I became a believer! It was hard to believe that it was even the same book that I had read before, as the words suddenly had so much more meaning.

The Holy Spirit is also called the Comforter.

John 14
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Suffice it to say that He does comfort me, and he does bring the peace that passes all understanding ... the peace that only God can give.

Philippians 4
7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

This is an excellent post and I agree with it 100% and am willing to "bet" that every other Christian on this forum would agree with it also.

God Bless,
Frankie

 

[gort]

This is an excellent post and I agree with it 100% and am willing to "bet" that every other Christian on this forum would agree with it also.

God Bless,
Frankie

Bwaaakkkk!!!


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[Rescued One]

I know that Jesus Christ rescued all of us. The principles and purposes of our life, and of salvation has been blurred by the apostasy. I have demonstrated doctrinal issues in Christianity that are not congruous with scripture or logic. I do not emphasize that I am right, and you must believe me. My emphasis is that each person individually appeals to God personally and ask Him those questions I have, which nobody will address here. Not everyone will hear His voice, that is certain. But if my points are in error, I am entitled to hear from you a reason for the hope that lies within you. I have shown why those reasons cannot be true, ... so far.

I know that Jesus Christ rescued all of us.

Jesus does not save the children of the flesh; they are not the children of God.

The principles .....of salvation have been blurred by the apostasy.

No, Jesus paid for our sins and we are saved by God's grace through faith. There is nothing blurry about that.

The principles and purposes of our life....have been blurred by the apostasy.

No, we were created for God's pleasure. The work of God is that we believe on his Son. There is nothing blurry about that.

I have demonstrated doctrinal issues in Christianity that are not congruous with scripture or logic.

That you have demonstrated this is a figment of your imagination.

My emphasis is that each person individually appeals to God personally and ask Him those questions I have, which nobody will address here.

You accuse us of not addressing what? We pray to God.

Not everyone will hear His voice, that is certain.

His sheep hear his voice and they follow him.

But if my points are in error, I am entitled to hear from you a reason for the hope that lies within you. I have shown why those reasons cannot be true, ... so far

We can tell you a reason for the hope that lies within us; our telling you will not make you hear the reason. You haven't shown us why we are not entitled to spend eternity with God the Father. What exactly is it that you are claiming to have shown us?

 

[MormonFriend]

Hello,

There are divisions in your church. Some believe this, and some believe that. Even what you may believe (such as becoming a god) is a division because it is not "official doctrine." There are other followers of JS who are divided against your church. They say that they are the one true church.

There was a show on "polygamy" last nite on A&E. Some had 4 and some had 8 wives. They claimed they would be gods.

There was a discussion here a bit ago about "asking for truth and getiing a burning bosom" ......some rejected that notion and others refuted that. Me being one of them.

All us chickens in here are united in the Gospel.


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There are no divisions within the LDS Church. There are differences in understanding doctrine, yes. I addressed that already, explaining that our lack of obedience, our imperfections, our pride etc. will cause us to not hear the voice of the Spirit. Hence, we see some things differently. As we endure our trials and grow in faith, our views become more clear, and we will see the folishness of our prior views, and at the same time be greatful to those who were patient with us as we learned. But we do not split off and start a new faith, and call it an extension of the body of Christ.

Can you see the difference?

 

[leeuniverse]

Let me also add that as to DOCTRINES OF THE CHURCH, and ALL the people of those doctrines, there are absolutely hardly any divisions.
We are fully and wholly One Lord, One Faith, and One Baptism NO MATTER what Ward you go to whether in Singapore or in Africa, and Church, it's people, AND their beliefs are the SAME from the Saving Principles of the Gospel.

Sure, everyone is different intellectually and in their experience and knowledge, like some don't know a thing about anti-mormonism or it's false claims of Church history and doctrine, but to as the Restored Gospel of Christ, the Saints are Fully United and One.
In contrast, among much of Christendom you can go from one Church to the next in the SAME RELIGION and you will be taught and do different things from the Bible and on Biblical subjects.
Most Churches are built upon the strength of it's Preachers and individuals ability to understand the Bible, and not on SURE Absolute Doctrine that is Eternal.
They are tossed to-and-fro by every wind of Doctrine, LDS are not.

 

[MormonFriend]

MF,

Although when I first read your response, I did not agree that you are "entitled" to hear from me an explanation for the reason for the hope that lies within me, scripture, God's word, instructs me to be always be ready to give an answer to anyone that asks me about the hope that is in me. If God thinks that you are entitled to hear the reason for the hope that is in me, who am I to argue?

That scripture is the reason I said that I was entitled to hear it.

I would have thought after all these months of posting here that you would have already read many of my reasons for the hope that is within me. I won't give you the same answer that I would give to an atheist, or a someone who does not believe in the divinity of Christ.

I think that you are asking me how I know that my sins have been forgiven, that I have been born again, made alive in Christ, adopted by God as his daughter, included in the body of Christ, and sealed by the Holy Spirit, who guides me, teaches me, convicts me, and comforts me. If I understand correctly, you did not ask me for reasons why I came to believe, but for reasons for the hope that is in me. Where applicable, I am going to list scriptural support (links) for my reasons. My faith in Christ comes from hearing the gospel (Romans 10:17). Studying both the OT and NT gives me encouragement and hope (Romans 15:4). The reason for the hope that is in me is that the Holy Spirit bears witness with my spirit (Romans 8:16). I read in Romans 5:1 that I have peace with God through Jesus Christ. I know the peace that passes understanding that can only come from Christ. It is the peace that always follows grace ... the peace that comes from being reconciled to God ... the peace that comes from resting and abiding in Him. This peace was not there before I became a believer.

Romans 5:5
5And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.

I think that this is so important. When God poured his love out into my heart by the Holy Spirit, it produced a change in me that created a love for God and a love for others that was unlike what I had before. It was prophesied that God would give his people a new heart, and that is what he has given me. I am not the same person as I was before.

There is a joy that I have that comes from the Holy Spirit. Hebrews 12:12 states that for the joy set before him, Jesus endured the cross ... that He gave his life so that we could live with God for eternity. It is that same joy that the Holy Spirit gives and lifts me up so that I am not dragged down by the problems or the world, but instead causes me to look to Him and share His love serving others.

The Holy Spirit guides me and teaches me. The Bible became alive to me after I became a believer! It was hard to believe that it was even the same book that I had read before, as the words suddenly had so much more meaning.

The Holy Spirit is also called the Comforter.

John 14
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Suffice it to say that He does comfort me, and he does bring the peace that passes all understanding ... the peace that only God can give.

Philippians 4
7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

Your testimony is very powerful, and heartfelt. With no intent to steal the fire of your profound message, I too have experienced many of the things you expressed. Other items in your close encoutners with God, I yet to have those blessings.

You actually went beyond what I was asking for. No matter, I am sure you were inspired to say the things that you did. In my experience, I sense a great need to purify myself, with the Lord's help. I sense that as I attain a more pure life, those experiences I still yearn for will come, and knowledge will increase.

Who am I to deny your testimony? As LDS, "We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may." (Pearl of Great Price | Articles of Faith 1:11) What is sacred to you I must honor, and I do. I do not understand the foundation of your hope, for the reasons I posted pertaining to the limitations of the Holy Spirit to follow the divisions in Christianity. But I am delighted in your joy, and would not want to belittle what you find to be right.

Thank you for the efforts in your posts.

Darell

 

[Der Alte]

In contrast, among much of Christendom you can go from one Church to the next in the SAME RELIGION and you will be taught and do different things from the Bible and on Biblical subjects.
Most Churches are built upon the strength of it's Preachers and individuals ability to understand the Bible, and not on SURE Absolute Doctrine that is Eternal.
They are tossed to-and-fro by every wind of Doctrine, LDS are not.

Look who is telling someone what they believe and practice! How much of Christendom have you actually seen with your own two eyes? I have been a Christian probably longer than you have been alive and I say this is a false statement. And OBTW I have been active, as an adult, not a 10 year old kid, in three major denominations.

 

[leeuniverse]

That scripture is the reason I said that I was entitled to hear it.



Your testimony is very powerful, and heartfelt. With no intent to steal the fire of your profound message, I too have experienced many of the things you expressed. Other items in your close encoutners with God, I yet to have those blessings.

You actually went beyond what I was asking for. No matter, I am sure you were inspired to say the things that you did. In my experience, I sense a great need to purify myself, with the Lord's help. I sense that as I attain a more pure life, those experiences I still yearn for will come, and knowledge will increase.

Who am I to deny your testimony? As LDS, "We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may." (Pearl of Great Price | Articles of Faith 1:11) What is sacred to you I must honor, and I do. I do not understand the foundation of your hope, for the reasons I posted pertaining to the limitations of the Holy Spirit to follow the divisions in Christianity. But I am delighted in your joy, and would not want to belittle what you find to be right.

Thank you for the efforts in your posts.

Darell

I also echo your words..... LDS believe the Light of Christ is in all men, and those who honestly seek His Righteousness find at least a portion of it.
We willingly respect and honor other Believers who do much in His Name as the Lord stated, though they not be with us.
Luke 9:49-50

 

[Rescued One]

I also echo your words..... LDS believe the Light of Christ is in all men, and those who honestly seek His Righteousness find at least a portion of it.
We willingly respect and honor other Believers who do much in His Name as the Lord stated, though they not be with us.
Luke 9:49-50

Unless one is born again, one does not have the light of Christ.

John 3
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 8
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Romans 9
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Ephesians 5
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

We willingly respect and honor other Believers who do much in His Name as the Lord stated, though they not be with us.

How can Believers not be with you unless you are not Believers? Believers are the children of God who have been adopted by Him into one family.

Are those you refer to as antis children of the flesh or children of the promise?

 

[leeuniverse]

Look who is telling someone what they believe and practice! How much of Christendom have you actually seen with your own two eyes? I have been a Christian probably longer than you have been alive and I say this is a false statement. And OBTW I have been active, as an adult, not a 10 year old kid, in three major denominations.

1. About 10 Major Religions and about 20 "minor" ones.

2. Well, you do know that "age" doesn't dictate Wisdom, especially that which is gained from experience?
That's nice..... It's false from your perspective, but certainly not from mine.

3. Well, as an "Adult", I've been active in the Catholic Church, the LDS Church, anti-religion, anti-mormon, a Martial Artist of multiple disciplines, study'er and practicioner of Zen, Buddhism, and Taoism, a United States Marine, 7 years of College which resulted in 5 different fields of study and an Interdisciplinary Degree.

4. As a "youth" not ONLY up till I was 10 years old, I was active in MANY Religions. Just because I was a youth, or chose to be baptised in the LDS Church at the age of 10 that means nothing. I had MY OWN thirst for truth, so I did everything in my life possible to find it while at the same time ensuring BALANCE and equal emaphasis in Study AND Experience, so as to find the REAL TRUTH, and not man-made or my own perception.
I had this attitude by the way from the age of 5..... So my whole life I was only interested in finding and embrasing that which was the ultimate "good" and absolutely "true". Nothing more, nothing less.

I became a Master "observer" of what is, and not only what is perceived.

Anyway, this is part of my Witness..... do with it whatever you choose.

 

[leeuniverse]

Unless one is born again, one does not have the light of Christ.

John 3
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

I see you "selectively" quote the "Light" verses in John 3. So let's quote the FULL verses and see what they say.

John 3:
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds• were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

As you can see, the actual Doctrine on Light isn't as Born Againer ONLY as you led us to believe.
Those who DO Right come to the Light..... So, looks like your wrong there.

John 8
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Sounds like anti-mormonism.

Romans 9
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Yes, I know this..... I was talking about light, not the Natural man vs. the Son of God.

Ephesians 5
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

Ya, I know.
Let me now give you some scriptures.

John 12:
46 I am come a light• into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

All things of Righteousness are of the Christ, thus all those who seek after righteousness in fact seek after Him. They may be in darkness, but the closer they come to Him the less in darkness they are.
(Yes, I know a bit of an extrapolation, but it is reasonable.)

But, this verse actually fully supports my statement that the Light of Christ is in ALL MEN.

John 1:
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light•, which lighteth every• man that cometh into the world.

Some additional info:

GUIDE TO THE SCRIPTURES
LIGHT, LIGHT OF CHRIST
See also Conscience; Holy Ghost; Intelligence, Intelligences; Jesus Christ; Truth

Divine energy, power, or influence that proceeds from God through Christ and gives life and light to all things. It is the law by which all things are governed in heaven and on earth (D&C 88: 6-13). It also helps people understand gospel truths and helps to put them on that gospel path which leads to salvation (John 3: 19-21; 12: 46; Alma 26: 15; 32: 35; D&C 93: 28-29, 31-32, 40, 42).

The light of Christ should not be confused with the Holy Ghost. The light of Christ is not a person. It is an influence that comes from God and prepares a person to receive the Holy Ghost. It is an influence for good in the lives of all people (John 1: 9; D&C 84: 46-47).

One manifestation of the light of Christ is conscience, which helps a person choose between right and wrong (Moro. 7: 16). As people learn more about the gospel, their consciences become more sensitive (Moro. 7: 12-19). People who hearken to the light of Christ are led to the gospel of Jesus Christ (D&C 84: 46-48).

The Lord is my light, Ps. 27: 1. Let us walk in the light of the Lord, Isa. 2: 5 (2 Ne. 12: 5). The Lord shall be an everlasting light, Isa. 60: 19. The true Light lighteth every man that cometh into the world, John 1: 4-9 (John 3: 19; D&C 6: 21; 34: 1-3). I am the light of the world, John 8: 12 (John 9: 5; D&C 11: 28). Whatsoever is light, is good, Alma 32: 35. Christ is the life and the light of the world, Alma 38: 9 (3 Ne. 9: 18; 11: 11; Ether 4: 12). The Spirit of Christ is given to every man that he may know good from evil, Moro. 7: 15-19. That which is of God is light, and groweth brighter and brighter until the perfect day, D&C 50: 24. The Spirit giveth light to every man, D&C 84: 45-48 (D&C 93: 1-2). He that keepeth his commandments receiveth light and truth, D&C 93: 27-28. Light and truth forsake that evil one, D&C 93: 37.

How can Believers not be with you unless you are not Believers?

Read Luke 9:49-50.

Also, we are "believers"..... Yet we aren't "with you" and do Miracles in His Name, and so are many more Christians in the world.
So, clearly it is possible.
And by the way, I don't think most Christians for lots of years ever new the Niceane Creed Trinity Doctrine that Christian's falsly use to to "separate" other Christians from them, but I'm sure they were STILL considered "Christians" by Christ.
Also, the words in the above matter give evidence to this fact.
The Apostles state the man was acting in "Christs Name", though he clearly wasn't given that Authority (hence the reactions of the Apostles), yet, by NAME ONLY Christ "accepts" this believers Sincere Devotion as being "acceptable", NOT against as Christians believe about us, but FOR YOU.
We are not against you, so we can only be FOR YOU.

Believers are the children of God who have been adopted by Him into one family.

Um no..... The "Saints" yes are of the Church having been adopted by Him, but clearly there are "other" Believers which ARE NOT of the Church, but who's devotion to the Christ is still acceptable.

Are those you refer to as antis children of the flesh or children of the promise?

As anti's they are children of the flesh, but in their Faith towards God, they are fellow Believers whom I willingly respect as the Lord has commanded, though they NOT be WITH His Latter-day Church.