Tl;dr This is about COVID-19

[chipotle]

I'm from Arkansas, and I'm in my late 20s, little about myself right now I am agnostic or on the fence, and sometimes things look like it is the bible but I'm not sure so I consider myself agnostic at the moment. This isn't going to be about insulting anybody. I have actual questions

My father is a christian, he explained to me that COVID-19 vaccine is the mark of the beast and if I take it then he will probably disown me since I will be Satan follower and hence, I would be going to hell.

According to him:

"16And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark— the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666.…"

He's saying it's COVID-19 vaccine due to the mandates governors, doctors, schools. Where they could fire you so you cannot get paid, therefore unable to pay bills, name it.

I've been researching this topic for days. I cannot come to a conclusion, I've read that Kanye West said it was mark of the beast.

I started reading, and many say that it's not "Mark of the Beast," but it is the precursor to test the waters on how far they can go. The 'vaccine' itself isn't a mark, but it is a trial, since it involves mandates and if you refuse to get it you could be denied government benefits, could be fired, cannot enter stores to buy food, and cannot go to a doctor or dentist without it.

I have medical problems that I need to see a doctor a lot from epilepsy and others. I could die if I am unable to get access to doctors. I don't know what I will do if it comes down to it.

I read then that people claim Obama is the antichrist and will use Joe Biden as a puppet to push a vaccine mandate so people can be marked and go to hell.

Others claim it is the catholic pope, Francis, that he is the antichrist and will demand it.

I don't know what to believe. Can anybody explain? I am meaning no offense to anybody, I am actually curious, I've tried looking everything up.

I evaluated the official site of Moderna and Pfizer, they explain how their vaccines work by creating genetic instructions it gets your cells to produce a protein, so your immune system sees it as a foreign threat and attack it. They said it's just water and some preservatives with the genetic instructions in some kind of cells to enter yours.

There are other sites that started talking about something called a quantum dot or specific dye that is injected on top of your skin to show you received the vaccine. However, I think it was USAToday or something that did fact checking there is no intention of using it right now.


My conclusion, if the bible is right on this. It's likely a precursor for what is to come an example to test the waters on how far they can go. The mark, would be on the hand (quantum dot?) and the mind would be the worship of the beast or his image, like, you would have to take an oath and disavow Christ. "But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven."

I am not a bible scholar, and I don't even have a college education. This is just my answer, but I am also afraid COVID-19 vaccine itself could be the mark.

I really do want to get the vaccine, I am sick of worrying about getting COVID-19 due to my weight (I'm obese), epilepsy, asthma, hypothyroidism that I have since I could risk death or end up damaging my lungs.

but I am also scared it might be the 'Mark of the beast' as stated. I am an agnostic, but I am on the fence with it for now.

 

[Tanj]

Well a few things.

No amount of vaccine or not is going to prevent anyone from shopping online.
I've not seen any scripture that states the mark of the beast will only stop the poor or unemployed from "buying or selling"
America is not the entirety of the world, it's not even mentioned in scripture. Any US based laws or restrictions in this space are biblically irrelevant and prophetically insignificant.
I'm not aware of anything in scripture that suggests the devil needs a test run, to test the waters, or to "see how far he can go".
Who is this "they"? I'm also unaware of any scripture suggesting the antichrist is a group of people

 

[chipotle]

They as in the government, Catholic church, employers. I know rest of the world isn't just the U.S. however, I've seen the same reports of countries wanting to do the same mandates like Britian, France, and so on.

"Test run," I'm referring to other sources that I've read where it is more of a test run where it leads up to this case. Here's a video

I would have to look up my browsing history to get the sites I got it from as well.

Thanks for your response

 

[d taylor]

The mark of the Beast is a mark that will happen during the 7 year tribulation. It is a tattoo or some kind of brand that will be physically placed on a person hand, wrist or head.

This vaccine is from governments, that in a way, if they do force people to take it. Could be seen as something that precedes and is similar to what will be happening at the time the mark of the beast. You might say a government trial run. But it is not the mark.

 

[Jeshu]

Bill Gates' Quantum Dot Digital Tattoo Implant to Track COVID-19 Vaccine Compliance

When the system/beast demands you take on a mark so you can buy and you can sell then you know that it is the mark of the beast and you will have to bear the consequences taking it.

This whole vaccine debate hitches around the freedom to operate normally even if you haven't had it. If it is a prelude, but not the real mark o f the beast, then you can have this vaccine.

My guess is it is a prelude and not yet the real thing.

On another note: If you fear God's wrath then you best confess Jesus as Lord and King of your heart. Not a popular time to become a Christian, as we are about become the garbage of the world, but having Jesus as King is Awesome!

Peace.

 

[UnpopularOpinion]

I'm from Arkansas, and I'm in my late 20s, little about myself right now I am agnostic or on the fence, and sometimes things look like it is the bible but I'm not sure so I consider myself agnostic at the moment. This isn't going to be about insulting anybody. I have actual questions

My father is a christian, he explained to me that COVID-19 vaccine is the mark of the beast and if I take it then he will probably disown me since I will be Satan follower and hence, I would be going to hell.

According to him:

"16And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark— the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666.…"

He's saying it's COVID-19 vaccine due to the mandates governors, doctors, schools. Where they could fire you so you cannot get paid, therefore unable to pay bills, name it.

I've been researching this topic for days. I cannot come to a conclusion, I've read that Kanye West said it was mark of the beast.

I started reading, and many say that it's not "Mark of the Beast," but it is the precursor to test the waters on how far they can go. The 'vaccine' itself isn't a mark, but it is a trial, since it involves mandates and if you refuse to get it you could be denied government benefits, could be fired, cannot enter stores to buy food, and cannot go to a doctor or dentist without it.

I have medical problems that I need to see a doctor a lot from epilepsy and others. I could die if I am unable to get access to doctors. I don't know what I will do if it comes down to it.

I read then that people claim Obama is the antichrist and will use Joe Biden as a puppet to push a vaccine mandate so people can be marked and go to hell.

Others claim it is the catholic pope, Francis, that he is the antichrist and will demand it.

I don't know what to believe. Can anybody explain? I am meaning no offense to anybody, I am actually curious, I've tried looking everything up.

I evaluated the official site of Moderna and Pfizer, they explain how their vaccines work by creating genetic instructions it gets your cells to produce a protein, so your immune system sees it as a foreign threat and attack it. They said it's just water and some preservatives with the genetic instructions in some kind of cells to enter yours.

There are other sites that started talking about something called a quantum dot or specific dye that is injected on top of your skin to show you received the vaccine. However, I think it was USAToday or something that did fact checking there is no intention of using it right now.


My conclusion, if the bible is right on this. It's likely a precursor for what is to come an example to test the waters on how far they can go. The mark, would be on the hand (quantum dot?) and the mind would be the worship of the beast or his image, like, you would have to take an oath and disavow Christ. "But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven."

I am not a bible scholar, and I don't even have a college education. This is just my answer, but I am also afraid COVID-19 vaccine itself could be the mark.

I really do want to get the vaccine, I am sick of worrying about getting COVID-19 due to my weight (I'm obese), epilepsy, asthma, hypothyroidism that I have since I could risk death or end up damaging my lungs.

but I am also scared it might be the 'Mark of the beast' as stated. I am an agnostic, but I am on the fence with it for now.

yea so your father might be right or might be wrong who knows.
Thing is if it would be mark then your father will be rescued while you will either :
a) take it and live happily for few years then suffer torment which will sting like scorpion ( somewhat cancer or something ) which won't allow you to die but you wish you were alredy dead
b) not take it and then realise Christianity is true ( you will have literally Angel from heaven preach the gospel to you) , and then be beheaded for faith


Anyways your choice will be clear when mark happens you will not have excuse.


If covid is or isnt helpfull
it could be
a) placebo
b) do nothing since virus mutate
c) cure ?
d) poison

I lean towards option d or a myself.

About you reading things in Bible which seem true , Bible has , contrary to all other religions actually contains Prophecy inside of it. God foretold not only mark but everything that he did so we know when he did it that he exist. Read some 700 year old prophecy tell me who is it talking about Isaiah 53
u can get saved for free it's gift obtained by Christ on cross and then you will be protected from the times to come and obtain eternal life.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 , Ephesians 2:8-9 , Ephesians 1:13-14
Luke 12:53

 

[Aussie Pete]

I'm from Arkansas, and I'm in my late 20s, little about myself right now I am agnostic or on the fence, and sometimes things look like it is the bible but I'm not sure so I consider myself agnostic at the moment. This isn't going to be about insulting anybody. I have actual questions

My father is a christian, he explained to me that COVID-19 vaccine is the mark of the beast and if I take it then he will probably disown me since I will be Satan follower and hence, I would be going to hell.

According to him:

"16And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark— the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666.…"

He's saying it's COVID-19 vaccine due to the mandates governors, doctors, schools. Where they could fire you so you cannot get paid, therefore unable to pay bills, name it.

I've been researching this topic for days. I cannot come to a conclusion, I've read that Kanye West said it was mark of the beast.

I started reading, and many say that it's not "Mark of the Beast," but it is the precursor to test the waters on how far they can go. The 'vaccine' itself isn't a mark, but it is a trial, since it involves mandates and if you refuse to get it you could be denied government benefits, could be fired, cannot enter stores to buy food, and cannot go to a doctor or dentist without it.

I have medical problems that I need to see a doctor a lot from epilepsy and others. I could die if I am unable to get access to doctors. I don't know what I will do if it comes down to it.

I read then that people claim Obama is the antichrist and will use Joe Biden as a puppet to push a vaccine mandate so people can be marked and go to hell.

Others claim it is the catholic pope, Francis, that he is the antichrist and will demand it.

I don't know what to believe. Can anybody explain? I am meaning no offense to anybody, I am actually curious, I've tried looking everything up.

I evaluated the official site of Moderna and Pfizer, they explain how their vaccines work by creating genetic instructions it gets your cells to produce a protein, so your immune system sees it as a foreign threat and attack it. They said it's just water and some preservatives with the genetic instructions in some kind of cells to enter yours.

There are other sites that started talking about something called a quantum dot or specific dye that is injected on top of your skin to show you received the vaccine. However, I think it was USAToday or something that did fact checking there is no intention of using it right now.


My conclusion, if the bible is right on this. It's likely a precursor for what is to come an example to test the waters on how far they can go. The mark, would be on the hand (quantum dot?) and the mind would be the worship of the beast or his image, like, you would have to take an oath and disavow Christ. "But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven."

I am not a bible scholar, and I don't even have a college education. This is just my answer, but I am also afraid COVID-19 vaccine itself could be the mark.

I really do want to get the vaccine, I am sick of worrying about getting COVID-19 due to my weight (I'm obese), epilepsy, asthma, hypothyroidism that I have since I could risk death or end up damaging my lungs.

but I am also scared it might be the 'Mark of the beast' as stated. I am an agnostic, but I am on the fence with it for now.

It's not the mark of the beast, but it is like a precursor to prepare people to accept the mark. It's one of many limits put on people to restrict freedoms, all for a "good" reason of course. I won't be getting the vaccine. It's a personal choice, not a theological decision. We need to be guided by conscience. Christians will know the mark of the beast when the real thing comes along.

 

[Sabertooth]

There is nothing about the virus/vaccine scenario that satisfies Scripture about the MOB. Could the MOB be attached to this event? Certainly, but, to date, there has been no such effort.

As I understand it, the Pfizer vaccine is being rolled out in the UK, and none there have been required to get a chip or a dot or whatever.

But there is a greater concern about the MOB for you.

John wrote of it,
"Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666." Revelation 13:18 NKJV

That kind of "understanding" is only available to Born-Again Christians. That means that unbelievers won't even recognize the mark when it finally arrives.

If you are really worried about the MOB, get off of the fence and give your life to Jesus.

 

[-=H=-]

Chipotle, I'm so sorry you're experiencing that with your Dad.

I grew up in Australia (where we were taught critical thinking), now living in the USA, and while there is a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes, COVID is not a conspiracy, although a lot of people who are professing to be Christian have gone down that rabbit hole. It is a global pandemic, the U.S. government does not control other countries and people.

I'm a filmmaker, have been a missionary, and even interviewed at the Australian Prime Minister and Cabinet Office (Austalia's Equivalent to the White House) for the role of Host Broadcast Manager for the G20 summit back in 2016 (my role would have been managing over 3000 tv news media visiting for the summit.

I started researching the end times 15 years ago or so, as I was working on making a TV series that is based in facts and what really exists in the world. My approach though was unless there was 100% watertight empirical evidence from the sources themselves everything else was suspect. And honestly a lot of stuff traces back to the Rockefellers.

In terms of the mark of the beast, I would challenge your Dad. The mark has to do with buying and selling and trade. Nothing more, nothing less. Now ask your Dad how he unlocks his phone, likely using a fingerprint (aka a mark or marker on the hand) or using facial recognition (a mark or marker on the forehead). So I'd challenge him with that as smart phones are being used as payment and using a fingerprint or facial recognition to authorize payments.

In so far as the vaccine, it's not got microchips in it, they can't pass through the eye of a needle and there's no way they can track you. That's just absolute nonsense. It doesn't change your DNA either. That's a bunch of conspiracy theory nonsense as well.

Now if you were to ask me about China, Rockefellers, etc I can definitely fill you in, but a vaccine is definitely not the mark of the beast, and masks are not a way to make people subservient. That's called paranoia. It's a pandemic.

5 people at work have caught coronavirus the last few weeks, I've been under quarantine and thankfully tested negative on both tests about a week apart. Now I have all the pathologies that this virus attacks so until the last few weeks I was worried. Not anymore. God gave me the treatment to prevent catching it.

I sat next to a co-worker at lunch unmasked for 45 minutes one day, and 6 hours later he started exhibiting symptoms. I was right beside him exposed to the virus right when he was most infectious. I should have caught it, but what I did was gargle a deep red wine vinegar several times per day to prevent the virus from replicating. I also followed with honey and also zinc lozenges. I didn't develop symptoms in the usual incubation period. My risk of catching COVID was 68-73% and my risk of dying from it was very high. I noticed at one point my tongue and taste buds were tingling and remembered my co-workers saying about their loss of taste and smell. (I had also been using saline nasal spray). It was then that I put two and two together and had a suspicion coronavirus multiplies in the mouth and on the tongue. I looked up to see if medical research had discovered that and lo and behold researchers have found that. In fact my co-worker told me the other day they had him gargling alcohol based mouth wash to help kill COVID. While he had some symptoms they were relatively minor due to the treatment he was advised of. I also looked into red wine vinegar and discovered immediately that medical researchers have done studies comparing Acetic Acid from red wine vinegar in treatment of COVID patients compared to HyrdoChloroquine and the vinegar was much more effective as a treatment.

Today I'm still healthy, I was worried this morning as my throat again started to hurt but I did a more aggressive red wine vinegar, honey and zinc lozenge treatment and my throat is about 99.5% back to normal.

In answer to your question it does appear we are in the end times, but no the vaccine is not the mark of the beast. I am not against vaccines, but I am cautious of untested vaccines and their effect on health. I wouldn't trust any vaccine that doesn't come from Israel or Australia. Pfizer's vaccine is already starting to show negative reactions in some people.

If you're worried about COVID (note: I have 6 co-morbidities), either gargle red wine vinegar like Colevita for 30 seconds 3 or more times per day or find an alcohol based mouth wash and gargle with it. The virus itself at first exposure is easy to kill, it only becomes a problem when we don't take steps to fight it and allow it to replicate and multiply to the point it can overwhelm our immune system.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Mark of the beast? this is the kind of thing that makes Christians look bad. We are so blessed to have a vaccine so soon. It would be foolish not to get it.

 

[chipotle]

Thanks for the responses! I'll go through them now. <3

 

[Sparagmos]

He's saying it's COVID-19 vaccine due to the mandates governors, doctors, schools. Where they could fire you so you cannot get paid, therefore unable to pay bills, name it.

Thete are no mandates to get vaccinated in the U.S. As far as I know, no employers or businesses have indicated they will require it. Some employers may (medical firms, etc.) but I expect most will not. Please don’t go down this conspiracy rabbit-hole.

 

[com7fy8]

I really do want to get the vaccine, I am sick of worrying about getting COVID-19 due to my weight (I'm obese), epilepsy, asthma, hypothyroidism that I have since I could risk death or end up damaging my lungs.

I have had the impression that the mark is a worldwide thing, which goes with people worshiping Satan's beast.

So, there has to be Satanic worship included. And the mark could, really, be only a manifestation of what is deeper.

So, controlling people would not make them deeply worship the way Satan wants.

Therefore, I would say an outward mark would not be the main thing or issue, as far as God is concerned.

You can just trust God to help you and guide you . . . and encourage you.

Your health things are what I think need attention. I think there are things you can do to be healthier. And learning God's word and doing what Jesus wants can help you.

And I suspect there are people who do not know what the Bible means, but they want to have authority and control . . . themselves. So, they can point at certain things and say it is the mark, so they can control what people do and don't do. But we need to look at our own selves and gain God's real correction.

And when Jesus suffered, "He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him to judges righteously." (in 1 Peter 2:23)

Jesus does not have to use threats to have people love the way He wants.

 

[chipotle]

I've been reading more on vaccines and what the government can or is considering to do with the links and quotes below. Interesting read if anybody is interested.

Ontarians could face restrictions if they refuse to get COVID-19 vaccine, health minister says

"There may be some restrictions placed on people that don’t have vaccines for travel purposes, to be able to go theatres and other places" and "Elliott said Ontario will issue government documentation so that people can prove they have received the vaccine. She says the documentation will be "essential" to have as the province emerges from the pandemic."

States have authority to fine or jail people who refuse coronavirus vaccine, attorney says

"States can compel vaccinations in more or less intrusive ways,” he said in an interview. “They can limit access to schools or services or jobs if people don’t get vaccinated. They could force them to pay a fine or even lock them up in jail."

https://nypost.com/2020/11/30/brits...cine-may-be-denied-entry-to-restaurants-bars/

Brits could soon be denied entry to restaurants, bars, movie theaters and sporting events if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine, a top official said Monday.

 

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[Hazelelponi]

I'm from Arkansas, and I'm in my late 20s, little about myself right now I am agnostic or on the fence, and sometimes things look like it is the bible but I'm not sure so I consider myself agnostic at the moment. This isn't going to be about insulting anybody. I have actual questions

My father is a christian, he explained to me that COVID-19 vaccine is the mark of the beast and if I take it then he will probably disown me since I will be Satan follower and hence, I would be going to hell.

According to him:

"16And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark— the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666.…"

He's saying it's COVID-19 vaccine due to the mandates governors, doctors, schools. Where they could fire you so you cannot get paid, therefore unable to pay bills, name it.

I've been researching this topic for days. I cannot come to a conclusion, I've read that Kanye West said it was mark of the beast.

I started reading, and many say that it's not "Mark of the Beast," but it is the precursor to test the waters on how far they can go. The 'vaccine' itself isn't a mark, but it is a trial, since it involves mandates and if you refuse to get it you could be denied government benefits, could be fired, cannot enter stores to buy food, and cannot go to a doctor or dentist without it.

I have medical problems that I need to see a doctor a lot from epilepsy and others. I could die if I am unable to get access to doctors. I don't know what I will do if it comes down to it.

I read then that people claim Obama is the antichrist and will use Joe Biden as a puppet to push a vaccine mandate so people can be marked and go to hell.

Others claim it is the catholic pope, Francis, that he is the antichrist and will demand it.

I don't know what to believe. Can anybody explain? I am meaning no offense to anybody, I am actually curious, I've tried looking everything up.

I evaluated the official site of Moderna and Pfizer, they explain how their vaccines work by creating genetic instructions it gets your cells to produce a protein, so your immune system sees it as a foreign threat and attack it. They said it's just water and some preservatives with the genetic instructions in some kind of cells to enter yours.

There are other sites that started talking about something called a quantum dot or specific dye that is injected on top of your skin to show you received the vaccine. However, I think it was USAToday or something that did fact checking there is no intention of using it right now.


My conclusion, if the bible is right on this. It's likely a precursor for what is to come an example to test the waters on how far they can go. The mark, would be on the hand (quantum dot?) and the mind would be the worship of the beast or his image, like, you would have to take an oath and disavow Christ. "But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven."

I am not a bible scholar, and I don't even have a college education. This is just my answer, but I am also afraid COVID-19 vaccine itself could be the mark.

I really do want to get the vaccine, I am sick of worrying about getting COVID-19 due to my weight (I'm obese), epilepsy, asthma, hypothyroidism that I have since I could risk death or end up damaging my lungs.

but I am also scared it might be the 'Mark of the beast' as stated. I am an agnostic, but I am on the fence with it for now.

Hello and good morning.

Firsthand, I'd like to point out not all Christians hold the same beliefs concerning the mark of the beast.

The mark is Satan's counterfeit of God's seal upon believers, a seal that Scripture tells us is His indwelling Holy Spirit which all believers receive when they believe on Christ for salvation:

"And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession--to the praise of his glory." Ephesians 1:13-14

The seal/mark of God is not a visible seal and so there is no reason to believe that Satan's mark of ownership is any more visible, but rather, would be apparent through the actions of those sealed in much the same way a Christian should be apparent via their outward actions.

In the first century under Caesar, Roman soldiers would go around with some fire and require those they approached to throw a bit of incense into the fire pot they carried and declare "Caesar is Lord". Pagans of that day had no issues doing that so they would and then go on their way.

Christians on the other hand wouldn't, and when they refused they were usually killed on the spot, or arrested to be killed for sport.

For the first century Christian, this was the mark of the beast and many early churches (although not all) would refuse to allow back into fellowship those who, in moments of weakness, did what they had to do to save their life, seeing them as irredeemable at that point.

Certainly in my theology the mark of the beast has taken many forms since that day, but none has ever been visible, nor is there any reason to believe it would need to be. What it is, is a government system that requires an allegiance from the individual that is above that allegiance that should be given to God...

Say the shahadah or die? Mark of the beast. Go along with papal governing authority to save one's life? Mark of the beast. (I'm sure Nazi Germany and other evil systems had some form of this mark too)

In our day it is possible for the mark to be visible too, but it's not necessary to believe it absolutely needs to be.

Will any Christian of any theological background be VERY wary of anything the government would require of you in order to be a functional member of society? Absolutely.

But it must also take a certain amount of discernment as well.

Vaccination programs have many benefits to a society, have a long and proven history etc. In and of themselves we've all had vaccines in the past and had nothing but benefit from them with the exception of the occasional bad side effects. But, by and large they have been a boon to us all, and have extended our lives and made us healthier.

I don't mistrust vaccines in and of themselves - I do mistrust the making them mandatory for work (except for those in health care), travel, and shopping etc.

If that were to occur, I would no longer see it as a simple inoculation against illness, but rather, something outside of the ordinary and thus, something to be considered further in light of my faith...

If it comes down to take the vaccine or we'll starve you out, or take it, and we'll put you on a list of approved citizens, I'll not be taking any vaccine but that's because I believe I need to be very careful about where my true allegiance lies, and what signs I may give that either confirm or deny it.

But, Satan is usually quite a bit more deceptive than all that. You can take the mark of the beast without a shot, simply by an allegiance to a government system that is taking the place where God should be. You could even call yourself a Christian while you do it.

Your dad seems to be a futurist that is also a literalist, however... and as such its unlikely you'll be able to reason with him on this matter even if you knew scripture well. I don't argue with that type of believer because it's about as much benefit as beating my head against the wall.

Because of all this, as your not a Christian, you might like to investigate Christianity further... we do seem to be entering into a time where choices and allegiances will be made, and you might do well to consider Christ further, apart from the literalist futurist dispensational theology which tends to make Christianity a bit nonsensical in major areas. Try attending a PCA church, (not PCUSA) or a reformed church of some kind that's not heavily liberal (not a political designation this kind of liberal).

But in general, if the vaccine for COVID is treated the same as any other vaccine we have, such as the flu shot where if you want one take it if not don't, then I see no issues with taking advantage of the vaccine for those in high risk groups... it's not, in and of itself, sending you to hell, it is only inoculation against illness.

It should also be noted, that in the book of Revelation the Angels (or Messengers) of God are calling people "out of" these evil (Baylonian) systems. Meaning people who are a part of these beast systems can become saved and leave them until which time God is finished sealing His people whom He called out.

What is done in ignorance can be forgiven, in other words. It's what is done with full knowledge of truth (or at least a claim to that knowledge) that may not be, such as a professed believer in Christ saying the shahadah for the express purpose of saving their life. As Jesus says in John 9:41:

"Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains."

I feel I should also note, for your edification, that I hold to the amillennial eschatological position. It might be something you could further consider, as you consider Christ as Lord and Savior.

 

[1watchman]

Dear Chipotle, you may be an Agnostic, but it is urgently important that you get right with our Creator-God; and that is in RECIEVING His beloved Son, the Lord Jesus into your heart soon (note John 3:16; John 14; Romans 8; Galatians 2:20) to possess God's "...so great salvation" as He says. Read these and all the Gospels in the Bible soon to hear God speaking to you! Start speaking to the Lord Jesus now!

The COVID-19 virus is not your greatest concern, for one may even die today --we cannot know!
Some of us believe the extreme Virus is likely one of the final warnings that the "great Tribulation" (see Matthew 24:21) is about to fall on this world. That is a time AFTER the true Church is called up to Heaven secretly ("in a moment; in the twinkling of an eye") as God says. The Church may be suddenly gone very soon. Then the 'Tribulation' period will begin on earth with Satan's ruling ---then too late for mankind today. We all need to get serious about the conditions and hear God speaking to man. Write me personally anytime, if you wish to chat. -1watchman

 

[John Helpher]

My father is a christian, he explained to me that COVID-19 vaccine is the mark of the beast and if I take it then he will probably disown me since I will be Satan follower and hence, I would be going to hell.

The prophecy says the mark will be used to control buying and selling. A vaccine doesn't fit this description.

The mark of the Beast will most likely be a microchip implant. Tap-and-pay technology and digital currencies are making huge strides all over the world. For example, Kenya has a digital currency called "MPesa", where you load credit onto your phone account and then you can use the phone to buy anything anywhere. An 80 year old grandma out in the countryside can use even a very simple phone to buy and sell with this digital currency.

While a vaccine in itself does not fit the description of the mark, it is possible that a global pandemic could be used to facilitate the emergence of a global program to implant multipurpose microchips, especially if doing so would make it easier to know who is vaccinated and who is not. A simple scan of the hand would make it very easy to know, and knowing who has or hasn't been vaccinated is an important part of controlling the spread of the virus.

In that case, if a microchip implant is mandated as part of the implementation of the vaccine then definitely, you should reject it, not because the vaccine is bad, but because of the implant.

 

[AvgJoe]

I'm from Arkansas, and I'm in my late 20s, little about myself right now I am agnostic or on the fence, and sometimes things look like it is the bible but I'm not sure so I consider myself agnostic at the moment. This isn't going to be about insulting anybody. I have actual questions

My father is a christian, he explained to me that COVID-19 vaccine is the mark of the beast and if I take it then he will probably disown me since I will be Satan follower and hence, I would be going to hell.

According to him:

"16And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark— the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666.…"

He's saying it's COVID-19 vaccine due to the mandates governors, doctors, schools. Where they could fire you so you cannot get paid, therefore unable to pay bills, name it.

I've been researching this topic for days. I cannot come to a conclusion, I've read that Kanye West said it was mark of the beast.

I started reading, and many say that it's not "Mark of the Beast," but it is the precursor to test the waters on how far they can go. The 'vaccine' itself isn't a mark, but it is a trial, since it involves mandates and if you refuse to get it you could be denied government benefits, could be fired, cannot enter stores to buy food, and cannot go to a doctor or dentist without it.

I have medical problems that I need to see a doctor a lot from epilepsy and others. I could die if I am unable to get access to doctors. I don't know what I will do if it comes down to it.

I read then that people claim Obama is the antichrist and will use Joe Biden as a puppet to push a vaccine mandate so people can be marked and go to hell.

Others claim it is the catholic pope, Francis, that he is the antichrist and will demand it.

I don't know what to believe. Can anybody explain? I am meaning no offense to anybody, I am actually curious, I've tried looking everything up.

I evaluated the official site of Moderna and Pfizer, they explain how their vaccines work by creating genetic instructions it gets your cells to produce a protein, so your immune system sees it as a foreign threat and attack it. They said it's just water and some preservatives with the genetic instructions in some kind of cells to enter yours.

There are other sites that started talking about something called a quantum dot or specific dye that is injected on top of your skin to show you received the vaccine. However, I think it was USAToday or something that did fact checking there is no intention of using it right now.


My conclusion, if the bible is right on this. It's likely a precursor for what is to come an example to test the waters on how far they can go. The mark, would be on the hand (quantum dot?) and the mind would be the worship of the beast or his image, like, you would have to take an oath and disavow Christ. "But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven."

I am not a bible scholar, and I don't even have a college education. This is just my answer, but I am also afraid COVID-19 vaccine itself could be the mark.

I really do want to get the vaccine, I am sick of worrying about getting COVID-19 due to my weight (I'm obese), epilepsy, asthma, hypothyroidism that I have since I could risk death or end up damaging my lungs.

but I am also scared it might be the 'Mark of the beast' as stated. I am an agnostic, but I am on the fence with it for now.

From what the Bible says about the mark, here is what we can know for sure:

(1) It will be instituted in the end times during the reign of the Antichrist. See Revelation chapter 13.
(2) It will be required for anyone to be able to buy or sell. See Revelation 13:17.
(3) Some form of worship of and/or allegiance to the Antichrist will be required to receive it. See Revelation 14:9, 11; 15:2; 16:2; 19:20; and 20:4.
(4) It will somehow relate to the number 666. See Revelation 13:18.
(5) Anyone who refuses to take the mark of the beast will be killed. See Revelation 13:15.

The mark of the beast will be identifiable by these five characteristics. If something does not match this description, it's not the mark.

Here are a couple videos about the mark of the beast that may be helpful to you~~~>

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The book of Revelation says that when the antichrist rises to power, that he will rule the whole world. How could anyone rule the whole world? If there was a one world government, one world currency and one world religion in existence, after the antichrist rises to power and exerts control he would simply take over. All three of these needed ingredients are already in the works today. Another biblically sound ministry (truthunedited) is sharing this with those that have an ear to hear: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5Ea1RHP4JqovVkm8CZ-XTQY9dVGh2XZ1 . I recommend watching 'Are you a global citizen? One World Government Explained', 'Do we all worship the same God? One World Religion Explained' and 'The Great Reset'.

Also friend, our remaining time on this earth is short, the 7th prophetic day of man is quickly approaching. God rested on the 7th day and so will man (millennial reign of Christ). If interested, here is a video that discusses it (biblically sound) starting about 15 minutes into it: https://youtu.be/KkahQKP4gnE . You say you're on the fence, well the following video will give you an introduction to Jesus Christ (Yeshua Hamashiach) in the Bible. https://youtu.be/UVCEpJYiChE and this video provides a basic understanding of the story of the Bible. https://youtu.be/FQaKOlctyQc

 

[terryjohn]

Is the debate in christian circles simply a matter of weak faith versus strong faith or no faith at all? Personally it does seem much of the thinking of those who oppose vacines justifies lawlessness which is never justified.