Tithing

[Elder 111]

Can we say that tithing is ancient?

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[BrotherBob]

I guess it would go back to Genesis to the offerings of Cain and Abel to God. Appears that attitude is the governing factor throughout scripture.

 

[Frogster]

Tithing = a power word in the church, to extract money from older people, on fixed incomes, and to make young hard working families, who are struggling, give to pastors, who will not work as Paul did, not to burden the church.

 

[Elder 111]

Tithing = a power word in the church, to extract money from older people, on fixed incomes, and to make young hard working families, who are struggling, give to pastors, who will not work as Paul did, not to burden the church.

Should they not be paid at all?
How would you apply what Jesus said in Luke 10:7?
And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house

 

[New_Wineskin]

Can we say that tithing is ancient?

I wouldn't say that it is "ancient" . I *would* say that it is either not understood by those that push it on christian groups or that it is a deceiving and manipulative device used by those that push it on christian groups .

There are at least three definitions that christians use when discussing "tithing" . Without making sure which definition is being used in the opening post , confusion will result between posters .

Should they not be paid at all?
How would you apply what Jesus said in Luke 10:7?
And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house

Those two ideas are not compatible . If you are going to use the Scriptures to discuss "tithing" , then no passage indicates that tithing is used as a payment for a christian pastor .

 

[tturt]

Since Jesus watched who gave and how much - I figure that settles it for me.

 

[Kaitlin08]

Tithing = a power word in the church, to extract money from older people, on fixed incomes, and to make young hard working families, who are struggling, give to pastors, who will not work as Paul did, not to burden the church.

 

[Frogster]

Should they not be paid at all?
How would you apply what Jesus said in Luke 10:7?
And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house

With balance. Did Paul work not to be a burden to the church?

Matt 10:8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, [2] cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay.

 

[Frogster]

Since Jesus watched who gave and how much - I figure that settles it for me.

Hi. Then why don't the tithe teachers, who love the story of the widow, give all? Good for the goose, is good for the gander.

If they are going to quote it, they have to live it too.

 

[Optimax]

Hi. Then why don't the tithe teachers, who love the story of the widow, give all? Good for the goose, is good for the gander.

If they are going to quote it, they have to live it too.

Do you believe that every minister should work and not take money from people to live on?

 

[Frogster]

God bless. pastor needs to get a job, tithing did not come around till about 700 years after the cross, it is unscriptural, And those who try to raise Malachi 3:9, to get it, are looney, cause that was for those preists, and people, under levitical law, we are not Heb 7:5, law.

And when they talk about Abe in Gen, he gave one time, in a 175 year life span, and it was not his money, it was the spoils for killing a bunch of kings.

 

[sunlover1]

Since Jesus watched who gave and how much - I figure that settles it for me.

Gotta give!
SO many are blessed
God is praised..
It's all good!

(Here comes Frogster! lol)

 

[Frogster]

Gotta give!
SO many are blessed
God is praised..
It's all good!

(Here comes Frogster! lol)

rib-it.

give to poor, not gazzilionare joyce meyer.

Have a good weekend friend.

 

[sunlover1]

rib-it.

give to poor, not gazzilionare joyce meyer.

True religion is this:....

Have a good weekend friend.

Storm coming. Gotta love that!
Be blessed !

 

[Studious One]

True religion is this:....

Where does it say tithe or tithing in James 1:27?

 

[Elder 111]

With balance. Did Paul work not to be a burden to the church?

Matt 10:8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, [2] cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay.

Is it not unreasonable to expect a man to work 40 hours a week and attend to a church's needs as well as family?
Tithes were for every one associated with the Sanctuary, as a matter of fact for all the Levis. All full time church workers and church work.

 

[Elder 111]

God bless. pastor needs to get a job, tithing did not come around till about 700 years after the cross, it is unscriptural, And those who try to raise Malachi 3:9, to get it, are looney, cause that was for those preists, and people, under levitical law, we are not Heb 7:5, law.

And when they talk about Abe in Gen, he gave one time, in a 175 year life span, and it was not his money, it was the spoils for killing a bunch of kings.

Do you really expect that every time tithe was paid would be quoted in the bible? Try to be reasonable.
I do believe that others have used the tithe to "milk the cow". They are in that respect thieves. Does that make the tithe wrong? Pastor use they positions to "prey on the flock". Should pastors be removed all together?

 

[New_Wineskin]

Do you really expect that every time tithe was paid would be quoted in the bible?

A "tithe" is not "pay" in the "bible"

Try to be reasonable.

Could you try to be honest ?

I do believe that others have used the tithe to "milk the cow". They are in that respect thieves. Does that make the tithe wrong? Pastor use they positions to "prey on the flock". Should pastors be removed all together?

Any pastor who demands a tithe should be removed . They misrepresent the Scriptures and are guilty of fraud and cultish practices .

 

[Dmitry R.]

Any pastor who demands a tithe should be removed . They misrepresent the Scriptures and are guilty of fraud and cultish practices .

Agree. There is nowhere in New Teastament written about tithing. It was an Old Teastament rule. In new days we have a law of love. And we may give to the curch as much as we feel it to be proper. It can be more than tithe, it can be zero also because of some circumstances. All depends on our internal feeling. Any obligatory order is contradictory to the New Teastament.

 

[Elder 111]

Agree. There is nowhere in New Teastament written about tithing. It was an Old Teastament rule. In new days we have a law of love. And we may give to the curch as much as we feel it to be proper. It can be more than tithe, it can be zero also because of some circumstances. All depends on our internal feeling. Any obligatory order is contradictory to the New Teastament.

This kind of thinking has led the churches into Gambling. The Catholic church has also brought in a lot of "foolish practices" in the middle ages. Fish fries and fairs should not be the way that a church should be funded.
I was make a calculation on monies I spent on worldly things including drinks with the fellows. Then I made a comparison with what I would pay in tithe. I spent more money on things that were worldly than what would be paid in tithe.
What about you?

Please note that all doctrines are not in the new or in the old Testament of themselves but in a combination of the two. 2Tim. 3:16-17
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The return of tithe is not for the pastor only. That is not what the bible teaches. The pastor should not have anything to do with the money anyway. He should be paid a salary and the remainder go to help in the every day operations of the church and spreading the gospel. The poor and the need, the widows etc. should also be taken care of. The tithe is not the problem. The pastors and those who allow them to do as they like are.