Tithing??

[GaryArnold]

OLD TESTAMENT - THE FIRST OF THE FRUITS SHOULD GO TO GOD
Proverbs 3:9 (KJV) “Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:”

NEW TESTAMENT - THE WORKER SHOULD BE FIRST TO RECEIVE A SHARE OF THE CROPS
2 Timothy 2:6 (KJV) “The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.”

When was the last time you heard a pastor say that YOU should spend the first part of your income on yourself and your family?

1 Timothy 5:8 (KJV) “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”

The New Testament makes it clear that we are to use the FIRST of our income to take care of ourselves and our family. We are talking about needs, here, not just anything we want. Then we should give generously from what is left.

The Bible CLEARLY SHOWS that the tithe ENDED at the cross in the Book of Hebrews. In the first nine verses of Hebrews 7 the words tenth or tithes appears SEVEN TIMES. The ONLY place in the Bible, after Calvary, that tithing appears is in Hebrews 7.

In Hebrews 7:5 we are told that Levi (the Levites) took the tithes under the law. In Hebrews 7:12 we are told that when the priesthood changes, the law will change. Hebrews 7:18 is telling us that Numbers 18 was disannulled. Numbers 18 established the Levitical priesthood, and part of that establishing included tithing. When the Levitical priesthood ended (at Calvary, or at least in the year 70AD when the temple was destroyed), all laws that established that priesthood were canceled. If Numbers 18 wasn't canceled, we would still be under the Levitical priesthood.

Those who argue they didn't have money or income then really need to study the scriptures. They had money and wages, even in Genesis. The farmers had income from barter exchanges, and they had markets to buy and sell as proven in Deuteronomy 14:24-26.

Those who argue Malachi 3:8, robbing God, need to start with verse 7. God is talking about His ordinances in Numbers 18 which we learned were disannulled according to Hebrews 7:18. Also, if you start with Malachi 1, you will see that God is speaking to the priests, not the people. The priests robbed God of the tithe (Nehemiah 13) and the priests robbed God of the offerings (Malachi 1).

 

[Goinheix]

Why tithing

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Because the church and the pastor need money, then they teach a false doctrine about Christian tithe
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Because Christians do not want to be directly involved in the great commission and they provide monetary support instead
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Because of Malachi Christians tithe for receiving 100 time back

 

[Studious One]

3. finally THE TITHE.
Tithing is extremely important and is a biblical concept.

Numbers 18 and Leviticus 27 reveal that the tithe was indeed important. But they also reveal that the tithe was not money, nor was it time, nor any other thing but crops, flocks and herds.

Tithing was established by Abraham the father of us all.
in Genesis 14:18-20 Abraham gives a tenth of all he owns to Melchizedek who was a Priest of God Most High before the Jewish people even existed.

Wrong! Abraham gave a tithe of the spoils of war... it was not his own property. Hebrews 7:4 reveals that it was the spoils of war. And Abram, in Genesis 14 told the king of Sodom that he had already told God he would not keep any of the spoils for himself. So that which he tithed was not even his own property.

in Hebrews 7:2-9 we find that Melchizedek was not a man at all but God Himself. We also find that the Jewish people would tithe ten percent to the Levites who were priests in the temple.

Melchizadek was not God. He was not a Theophany. Melchizedak was a Semitic Priest King of a country called Salem.

Tithing has not been abolished now that Jesus Christ came to earth. Jesus said Himself that He has not come to abolish the law but to fulfill the law. Jesus came to let us be counted as Abraham's decendants that means we must tithe 10%.

Read on in Hebrews 7, the chapter concerning the tithe to Melchizedek. Hebrews states that there was a disannulling of the law. There is no more Levitical Priesthood. Levites were the only ones authorized by God to receive the tithe. One was not authorized to give tithes to anyone else but a Levite according to God's Holy Word.

If you are living in the world chances are you get your income from a worldly means. You may be a slave to your Job or your Rent or your Car payment. But when you make Jesus Christ your Lord you are no longer a slave to the world and you rely on Him for all that you need. Read this scripture and decide that this is the way you will think and live. God promises to take care of us so whenever you feel stressed just read it again. It may take a wile to change the way you think but we all choose everything we believe.

So, we are no longer to work for our living. OK.

Mathew 6
24"(AD)No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other You cannot serve God and [a](AE)wealth. The Cure for Anxiety

25"(AF)For this reason I say to you, do not be (AG)worried about your life, as to what you will eat or what you will drink; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26"(AH)Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they?
27"And who of you by being (AI)worried can (AJ)add a single hour to his life?
28"And why are you (AK)worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin,
29yet I say to you that not even (AL)Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these.
30"But if God so clothes the (AM)grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? (AN)You of little faith!
31"Do not (AO)worry then, saying, 'What will we eat?' or 'What will we drink?' or 'What will we wear for clothing?'
32"For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for (AP)your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.
33"But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and (AQ)all these things will be added to you.
34"So do not (AR)worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

These verses say absolutely nothing concerning the tithe. Nor do they say anything concerning giving any in any amount.

Whenever we decide to live for God the enemy tries to stop us. Tithing is honoring God. Failing to tithe 10% gives the enemy the ability to attack your finances and the enemy allways takes more than 10%. If you Honor God with the tithe He will rebuke the destroyer.

God's tithe was limited to national Israel and was not to be received from anyone living outside of Israel. I suggest you familiarize yourself with the proper texts on tithing. Start at Leviticus 18, Numbers 27, and Deuteronomy 14

Malachi 3
8"Will a man [a]rob God? Yet you are robbing Me! But you say, 'How have we robbed You?' In (A)tithes and offerings. 9"You are (B)cursed with a curse, for you are [b]robbing Me, the whole nation of you!
10"(C)Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and test Me now in this," says the LORD of hosts, "if I will not (D)open for you the windows of heaven and (E)pour out for you a blessing until [c](F)it overflows.
11"Then I will rebuke the (G)devourer for you, so that it will not destroy the fruits of the ground; nor will your vine in the field cast its grapes," says the LORD of hosts.
12"(H)All the nations will call you blessed, for you shall be a (I)delightful land," says the LORD of hosts.

Who was robbing God? Hint: Read the previous 2 chapters. It was the Levites. And since we already know from Leviticus and Numbers that the tithe was only of the crops, flocks and herds, that was what Malachi was saying was to be brought into the storehouse. (by the way, the storehouse is not the Church) If the Levites would bring the tithe into the storehouse, God would open the windows of heaven and pour out a blessing. Look up the first time 'windows of heaven' is mentioned in the Bible. It is when the windows of heaven opened and it rained upon the earth for the first time.... Genesis 6. God opening the windows of heaven in Malachi is only speaking of rain falling on the ground to bring an abundance of crops to Israel.

Malachi 3 does not even apply to the Church. The tithe was limited to national Israel according to the Mosaic Law.

So the Tithe is the first 10% of your income. first means before taxes and bills.
The tithe goes to the church you attend, if you do not attend a church yet i would tithe to iris ministries because at least you know it is the Church of Christ.

God never authorized the Church to receive tithes. The teaching that the Church is to receive tithes is a man-made teaching that is not supported by any verse or passage in God's Word.

As a Believer you can utilize the concept of Sowing and Reaping. Tithe is Tithe and anything you give above that will is something you can reap from. It is a good idea to give at least a little bit even if it is only five or one dollar a week. You should give werever God leads you to but if you do not know were to give i would give to iris ministries, https://www.irismin.org/giving-center because you know that every dollar goes to the Kingdom of God.

God's Word teaches the Church a different doctrine altogether. God's Word teaches that the believer is to give what he or she purposes to give in his or her own heart.
2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

The more you give the more money God trusts you with and the more you can give. but be ready to go threw a testing time were you establish the Tithe and Giving when it is not ez to do.

Since God never commands the Church to tithe, and since the tithe is not money, there is no need to prove God by establishing a tithe of something that He never asked for.

God Bless. trust in God, there may be a wilderness to go threw but He has nothing but good plans for us. If we choose to we will enter the promised land.

We cannot please God by following man-made laws. God says we must study to show ourselves approved unto God a workman that neeedeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

I encourage all to study the Word of God concerning the tithe. Many believe they are to tithe their money simply because they have not taken the time to study the Word of God for themselves.

 

[Goinheix]

perfect

 

[Studious One]

It Doesn't. Tithing is 10% of your posessions, translated into american socioty, 10% of your income.
giving time and talents is just part of Loving God with all your Heart, Soul, Strength, and Mind.

That is a man-made doctrine of tithing. God's tithe, according to Numbers 18, Leviticus 27, and Deuteronomy 14 was of crops, flocks and herds. God's tithe was something that could be eaten.

 

[GaryArnold]

It truly amazes me how many people think that the OT tithe was the FIRST tenth.

Leviticus 27:30-33 - a tenth of the crops (not the first tenth) and every tenth animal in herds and flocks (the LAST one out of every ten, not the first one).

OLD TESTAMENT - THE FIRST OF THE FRUITS SHOULD GO TO GOD
Proverbs 3:9 (KJV) “Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:”

NEW TESTAMENT - THE WORKER SHOULD BE FIRST TO RECEIVE A SHARE OF THE FRUIT
2 Timothy 2:6 (KJV) “The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.”

In both verses above, firstfruits is referring to the first of the crops. But so many pastors want to use Proverbs 3:9 to show that the first of your income belongs to The Lord, be consistent and apply the same rules to 2 Timothy 2:6.

When was the last time you heard a pastor say that you should spend the FIRST part of your income on yourself and your family?

1 Timothy 5:8 (KJV) “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”

The New Testament makes it clear that we are to use the FIRST of our income to take care of ourselves and our family. We are talking about needs, here, not just anything we want. Then we should give generously from what is left.

 

[Goinheix]

We have to do all efforts to stop tithing. Tithing is sinking the evangelic church into taking the shape of the word, installing our confidence in the power of the money, and creating selfish Christians that tithe for receiving more from God.

We are entering in Laodicea. The modern evangelic church is moving into a rich yet poor church. It is a Church rich in money and poor in Spirit. It is a church full of plenty people that is empty, full of empty people.

 

[GaryArnold]

Pastors are confused. They mix firstfruits with the tithe and they have NOTHING to do with each other.

In Nehemiah 10:37 we learn that the firstfruits were taken to the temple for the priests, and the tithes were taken to the Levites who lived in the Levitical cities. Therefore, it has been established that firstfruits have nothing to do with the tithe.

In Nehemiah 10:38 we learn that the Levites would take a tithe of the tithe to the Temple. It is this tithe, the tithe from the Levites, that went to the storehouse, not the tithe from the people. This is important to remember when we study Malachi 3:10.

The first-fruit was a very small amount of the first crop harvest and was small enough to fit into a hand-held basket (Deut. 26:1-4.)

First-fruit and first-born offerings went directly to the Temple and were required to be totally consumed by ministering priests only inside the Temple (Neh. 10:35-37a; Ex. 23:19; 34:26; Deut. 18:4).

When will pastors open their Bible and study this topic?????

 

[GaryArnold]

The false doctrine of tithing will actually bring down the protestant church if it doesn't stop. Fortunately, more future pastors are being taught correctly. Now some Baptist theologians are joining the fight to STOP all this false teaching of the tithe.

 

[Goinheix]

Pastors are confused.

When will pastors open their Bible and study this topic?????

Pastor are not confused. They have study the Bible and found not support for the tithe. But they are very exerciced into changing the meanig of text and confusing the christians. They are teachers with no excuse.

 

[Goinheix]

The false doctrine of tithing will actually bring down the protestant church if it doesn't stop. Fortunately, more future pastors are being taught correctly. Now some Baptist theologians are joining the fight to STOP all this false teaching of the tithe.

How can we be organized to do a deep reform on the church?
in the christian book shops sell 100 of book teching how to mislead christians into tithing. book agaist tithing will never reach publication.
How to get organized? can we have some way of internal comunication? some kind of international comunity? can we know each other name?

 

[GaryArnold]

Pastor are not confused. They have study the Bible and found not support for the tithe. But they are very exerciced into changing the meanig of text and confusing the christians. They are teachers with no excuse.

I have met with many pastors who genuinely thought tithing was proper today. After our meeting, most of them did their own research and then STOPPED teaching tithing. Some just close their eyes to the truth. One admitted to me that he knows tithing ended, but he is going to teach it anyway.

 

[GaryArnold]

How can we be organized to do a deep reform on the church?
in the christian book shops sell 100 of book teching how to mislead christians into tithing. book agaist tithing will never reach publication.
How to get organized? can we have some way of internal comunication? some kind of international comunity? can we know each other name?

Every Baptist Bookstore in the US will soon have a book written by several of their theologians that say tithing is NOT appropriate in the church today. Book is due out around the middle of may.

 

[Studious One]

How can we be organized to do a deep reform on the church?
in the christian book shops sell 100 of book teching how to mislead christians into tithing. book agaist tithing will never reach publication.
How to get organized? can we have some way of internal comunication? some kind of international comunity? can we know each other name?

There is a great book that teaches the truth of tithing. It is called "Should The Church Teach Tithing" by Dr. Russell Kelly

I have purchased this book and read it, comparing it with Scripture. It reveals what the tithe consisted of, who was required to tithe, who was authorized to receive the tithe, how often an individual was required to tithe and where the tithe was to be given.

I recommend this book for all who are interested in seeking the truth concerning God's tithe.

 

[Goinheix]

I have met with many pastors who genuinely thought tithing was proper today. After our meeting, most of them did their own research and then STOPPED teaching tithing. Some just close their eyes to the truth. One admitted to me that he knows tithing ended, but he is going to teach it anyway.

when we say "all" does not mean literally all.

 

[Goinheix]

There is a great book that teaches the truth of tithing. It is called "Should The Church Teach Tithing" by Dr. Russell Kelly

I have purchased this book and read it, comparing it with Scripture. It reveals what the tithe consisted of, who was required to tithe, who was authorized to receive the tithe, how often an individual was required to tithe and where the tithe was to be given.

I recommend this book for all who are interested in seeking the truth concerning God's tithe.

I am from uruguay, the spanish baptist from south/central america. In our spanish world there is also book. All that I know are solely in internet. A book that is not on paper, a book can not found in a christian book store, it is concidered as non-christian.

if there is one or two or ten good books it makes no difference; i think we can and we must be organized. it is not only tithing, there is many other important doctrines no be clarified. and there is not an instrument to do it.

take for example salvatios. we go and preach salvation and eternal life in Christ. But when come to doctrine, there is too many diferent positions. How can we preach sometihing we do no agree on how it is or work?

My proposal (independent of my personal position on each doctrine) is to create a Forum, similar but different to this one. it will be like this:
Take a doctrine. Open two sides, witch are YES and NO (for saying something) In the YES part of the forum can discuss verses that prove YES. same with the NO. each verse will be discused separatelly. it will be no aloud to reply "but that other verse says different". in such case, it will be posted in the NO part as a separated verse. each verse will be analysed to the end without jumping from verse to verse. if you want to discuss other verse must open a new discussion for that verse. eventually we will have all the opinios refering to each verse. a goven verse that was posted as YES can be explained in a way that it became a NO, or be confirmed as one verse saying YES.

The doctrinal forum is one of my proposals. but for any proposal we have to be toghether, as a body, as a grup, as a comnity. I really want to know every one concerned with the tithe doctrine, and with other issues.

 

[Goinheix]

I have participated on many spanish forums. the administration is not neutral. as they see your position and argumentation can not be refute, they simply expulse me from the forum. that way they keep the doctrine they like to keep.

 

[Studious One]

I have participated on many spanish forums. the administration is not neutral. as they see your position and argumentation can not be refute, they simply expulse me from the forum. that way they keep the doctrine they like to keep.

Sadly, that is how it is with many forums. My wife and I have been put out of forums because of our preaching of the Word of God as well.

One most forums, we have been ridiculed and laughed down because of our belief that the christian is not required to tithe of our personal finances.

I, like the person who started this thread, am not a rich man. I am on disability, have been since 1987. I cannot find work because of my poor eyesight. People see my thick glasses and automatically they put barriers up when it comes to employment. "I can't hire you, I could be robbed blind" is the general consensus of store owners.

My wife also is on disability. We both struggle in our finances. Rent, utilities and maintneance have us scraping the bottom of the barrel toward the end of each month. (our personal bank account had only a little over 6 dollars in it this morning, and will not have more until Monday morning.)

Yet, many look down on us because we do not tithe, claiming if we did we would have more. I cannot put my house in need to please them. If I do not use the money we have for household needs, I am worse than an infidel.

Yes, we do give to our local Church we attend faithfully. We give what we are able to give. But we are not required to tithe and we will not tithe.

 

[Studious One]

I forgot to mention the fact that my only meal today was a grilled cheese sandwich. (much less than what those who want 10% of my money would even settle for on their plates)

 

[heron]

These stories were sequential and close:

Luke 11:39
But give that which is within as charity, and then all things are clean for you.
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Luke 12:15
Then He said to them, "Beware, and be on your guard against every form of greed; for not even when one has an abundance does his life consist of his possessions."

21 "So is the man who stores up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God."

33 "Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys.

For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

48 From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.

Mark 10

Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

Jesus said to him...
You know the commandments: Do not commit adultery, do not commit murder, do not steal, do not bear false witness, do not defraud, honor your father and mother. Ex. 20:12-16

Luke 18 (Same story continued)
When Jesus heard this, He said to him, "One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."

But when he had heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich. And Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God! "For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

They who heard it said, "Then who can be saved?" But He said, "The things that are impossible with people are possible with God."

Peter said, "Behold, we have left our own homes and followed You."

And He said to them, "Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God,who will not receive many times as much at this time and in the age to come, eternal life."



Luke 19
8 Zaccheus stopped and said to the Lord, "Behold, Lord, half of my possessions I will give to the poor, and if I have defrauded anyone of anything, I will give back four times as much." And Jesus said to him, "Today salvation has come to this house, because he, too, is a son of Abraham.

Matthew 22
Then He said to them, "Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's."
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What belongs to God? Clearly Jesus had something in mind.

The story was followed by...

And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury. And He saw a poor widow putting in two small copper coins. And He said, "Truly I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all of them; for they all out of their surplus put into the offering; but she out of her poverty put in all that she had to live on."
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Differentiation on giving... Sacrifices were for sin offerings, and tithes were out of gratefulness for God's provision

Deut 12:6 There you shall bring your burnt offerings, your sacrifices, your tithes, the contribution of your hand, your votive offerings, your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herd and of your flock. ​

NEW TESTAMENT - THE WORKER SHOULD BE FIRST TO RECEIVE A SHARE OF THE CROPS
2 Timothy 2:6 (KJV) “The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.”

This is a differentiation of the laborer from the owner. A business owner should not deprive his workers of the product/service they worked on. Today we see many restaurant servers often get a free meal, department store clerks get a percentage discount, college employees get partial tuition waivers, salesmen get free samples.

Picture migrant workers picking peaches, and not being allowed to eat any while they work in the hot sun.

De 12:17 Deuteronomy 12:7,12,18,You are not allowed to eat within your gates the tithe of your grain or new wine or oil, or the firstborn of your herd or flock, or any of your votive offerings which you vow, or your freewill offerings, or the contribution of your hand. De 14
Tithes
Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.

Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the LORD your God always.

But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the LORD your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the LORD will choose to put his Name is so far away), then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the LORD your God will choose.

[Not a modern conversion as we assume]

Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.

And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year's produce and store it in your towns, so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the aliens, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.

12 "When you have finished paying all the tithe of your increase in the third year, [a different tithe] the year of tithing, then you shall give it to the Levite, to the stranger, to the orphan and to the widow, that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied.

"You shall say before the Lord your God, `I have removed the sacred portion from my house, and also have given it to the Levite and the alien, the orphan and the widow, according to all Your commandments which You have commanded me; I have not transgressed or forgotten any of Your commandments.

`I have not eaten of it while mourning, nor have I removed any of it while I was unclean, nor offered any of it to the dead. I have listened to the voice of the LORD my God; I have done according to all that You have commanded me.

`Look down from Your holy habitation, from heaven, and bless Your people Israel, and the ground which You have given us, a land flowing with milk and honey, as You swore to our fathers.'

"This day the Lord your God commands you to do these statutes and ordinances. You shall therefore be careful to do them with all your heart and with all your soul.

"You have today declared the Lord to be your God, and that you would walk in His ways and keep His statutes, His commandments and His ordinances, and listen to His voice.

"The Lord has today declared you to be His people, a treasured possession, as He promised you, and that you should keep all His commandments; and that He will set you high above all nations which He has made, for praise, fame, and honor; and that you shall be a consecrated people to the Lord your God, as He has spoken."

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