I think its sad when people don't search for truth and instead take what man says is true as truth.
Equally sad is the man that is enslaved to an institution that grows fatter, but not deeper.
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I just think it's sad that so many Christians don't want to give back to their church.
I just think it's sad that so many Christians don't want to give back to their church.
"Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, and he blessed Abram.... Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything" (Genesis 14:18-20 NIV).
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When the prophet Abram (later Abraham) was traveling home with the riches of battle after warring with a nearby king, he was met by a high priest in the order of God. This priest was Melchizedek, and it was at that time that the Priesthood of Melchizedek was established on the planet.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]As soon as Abraham saw Melchizedek, the wisdom of his heart knew he was seeing one who is with God. Abraham knew intuitively that he was to give back 10 percent of all that he had in the world to the representative of God, and so began the practice of tithing.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When Abraham was blessed and then gave Melchizedek a tenth of everything, a spiritual covenant was set up for our time, whereby humankind is to give a tenth of its increase (what a person receives that is his or hers) back to God.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]God, of course, is always fulfilling his part anyway, so the question is, are we lining up, are we fulfilling the covenant?[/FONT]
Tithing is an act of faith for each believer, it says.
Christians should glorify God in whatever situation, we're in.
A son came back to his father's house for a visit, He had a wife a three kids with him..
A. He looked to be a helper in dad vineyard.
B He look to take all that was available to him.
Which quality of those two would make the son feel welcomed forever in His father house, and which quality would make dad wonder when he's leaving?
The problem is not the father's supply but rather the principles that governs the life of a son who believes that he should inherit all what the father has.
We should seek to be sons of God.
Those who tithe to the Lord are a blessed people whether you agree or not.
God will deal with the theives. Besides He is the living God and able to see the into the hearts of men.
So, be a good son and stop all that noise.
You're making it complicated. I just give ten percent of my income before taxes. For me that about $2500.00 a year. That's alot of many when you only make about $25000.00 a year. I'm not going to fight and argue about something like this. I feel in MY heart that I need to give back to my church. My church feeds too many starving children in the U.S. for me not to give. I just couldn't do it. That's just me though. But like I said, I don't need to sit here and keep on arguing about it. God bless.We are not under the OT covenant; Jesus said "this is my blood of the new covenant." He did not teach tithing - he commended a widow because she gave everything.
But supposing I followed the example of Abraham and gave God a tenth of everything?
24 hours in a day; I am asleep for roughly 8 of them and meals etc could easily take up another two. Work may take up another 4 - I am part time. That means there are 10 hours, if I'm lucky, that are completely my own One tenth belong to God, that means I think about him/praise him/ pray/serve him for 1 hour a day. Or do I give him a tenth of the whole 24 hours - 2.4? What about my part time job as church lay worker and my preaching on Sundays, which take more than this amount of time?
Money - at the moment £8,500 a year + roughly another £3000 in Mobility allowance. Do I give to him before or after tax? If before, that's roughly £1,050 per year. Is that enough? What about when my job finishes in a few weeks? Will God then only be worth £300 a year?
Possessions - don't know how to give 1 tenth of all my craft things, (which I use to make greetings cards, either to bless those who are ill, or give to charities to sell and raise funds); or puppets (which I use in worship and with Sunday school) - all of which I have paid for myself. How do I give a tenth of my clarinet? If I tajke it to church and we have 5 hymns, does this mean I can only play half of one?
I'm not trying to be flippant or awkward here. I'm saying that a) it's not quite as easy for us to divide everything up and give a tenth as it may have been for Abraham, with his animals and crops, and b) some of us try to give God a lot more than 10% of some things - eg our time, because we believe we are always in his presence.
Paul says the the Lord loves a cheerful giver. He also says that people should give what they have decided in their heart to give. If, for you, that means giving 10% of your cash to the church - go ahead. But it's ok too if someone doesn't want to do that.
You're making it complicated. I just give ten percent of my income before taxes. For me that about $2500.00 a year. That's alot of many when you only make about $25000.00 a year. I'm not going to fight and argue about something like this. I feel in MY heart that I need to give back to my church. My church feeds too many starving children in the U.S. for me not to give. I just couldn't do it. That's just me though. But like I said, I don't need to sit here and keep on arguing about it. God bless.
The Bible doesn't say that Abraham tithed ANY of his own possessions. Sorry, it just isn't there. One can't just make something up that doesn't exist.
A question for the nontithers who go to a brick and mortar church with paid spiritual leaders: where does the money come from that supports your church? Pennies from Heaven? Tithing isn't a matter of legalism, it's simple economics.
Do you realize that the Jewish tithe was more in the nieghborhood of 30%?
No I did not know that .
I only know Luke 11 : 42 and Hebrews 7 say 10 %
Then don't pass it off as some Divine command from above.
Did Jesus really want someone living at or near the poverty level to give up needed cash in order to help keep the pastoral staff making $40,000-$60,000 a year?
It never ceases to amaze me how backwards we get the scriptures at times.
Read Malchi 3 : 8 thru 12 if you want to know what God almighty says about it.
Read Luke 21 : 1 thru 4
Jesus commended the poor widow for giving ALL she had ( 2 copper coins ) because it was a lrger % of her income than the 10% the rich were giving.
I can honestly say that being saved since 1992 and a member of Baptist churches until just recently that I have never heard Hebrews 7 used to support tithing.
Jesus said tithe 10 % but said thats not all we need to do. It si definitely part though
Luke 11 : 42
Jesus was talking to the Jewish Scribes and Pharisees who were under Jewish law. By the terms of that law, they had to tithe. Jesus is saying that they paid attention to this law, obeying it in even the minutest detail, while ignoring the more important matters like mercy and faith. If they were going to keep the law, they needed to observe these as well as tithing.
As I am not a Jew, nor under Jewish law, my question still stands; where is Jesus' command that believers have to tithe?
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