Tithe

[hypostatic]

The biblical tithe does not include any of those . Those things are club dues that some groups decide to place on themselves .

The tithe isn't about giving , either . It is about paying something according to a law .

This is the problem when discussing "tithes" . There are several definitions being used at the same time . And , sometimes , a poster will be discussing the term with a couple of those definitions in one post .

That's the first I've heard of a church charging club dues. The church has, as its primary source of income, tithes offered by the congregation. While the tithe was law in the OT, Christ declared it as a form of worship, not mandatory, in the NT.

I'm sure that when Christians discuss tithes they refer to it as described in the NT. Any reference to the OT is to identify the 10% rule, and not the spirit of giving and willingness to sacrifice.

 

[ronmathison]

If no one tithes how would the church (little c, not big C) support itself? Who would pay the mortgage, salaries, and other expenses?

Various churches should support themselves, by asking for money. They should not do it through manipulation, by saying "God commands it." , because He doesn't.

 

[nb_christseeker]

i guess it all depends on how joyful you are about receiving eternal life and how much you love the less fortunate.

 

[hypostatic]

Various churches should support themselves, by asking for money. They should not do it through manipulation, by saying "God commands it." , because He doesn't.

I don't think there are too many churches that come out and say give money. The purpose of passing around the collection plate is so that, if you are willing, you have an opportunity to give. And I highly doubt that there are many Protestant/Non-denominational churches (all that I know about) that teach "God commands it". I know mine doesn't.

 

[nb_christseeker]

Paul came out and said give regularly

 

[nb_christseeker]

your better church congregations have an anonymous drop box for offerings and dont pass the plate around. or well, thats a better practice in my opinion. cuts down on everyone seeing what people are giving.

 

[calidog]

I don't believe tithing is a requirement, but I believe God would like us to. the only reason I do is because I believe the 90 percent I keep is from God.

 

[Yusuf Evans]

I am in agreement that nothing in the New Testament demands us to give the "10%" of our earnings. The Lord wants a cheerful giver, not one who is grudgingly giving 10%, simply because that is the specific amount. Give what your heart desires, not what man tells you to give. I constantly hear about the Televangelists saying that what you give, you will recieve, especially the emphasis on monetary blessings to recieve. This is very bad advice, as it breeds greed and can cause discord and lack of faith if the the Lord doesn' "deliver" his promises. We must remember that the Lord owes us nothing and we owe him everything. Therefore, we should give accordingly, expecting nothing in return except for his love.

 

[daverain]

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I am in agreement that nothing in the New Testament demands us to give the "10%" of our earnings. The Lord wants a cheerful giver, not one who is grudgingly giving 10%, simply because that is the specific amount. Give what your heart desires, not what man tells you to give. I constantly hear about the Televangelists saying that what you give, you will recieve, especially the emphasis on monetary blessings to recieve. This is very bad advice, as it breeds greed and can cause discord and lack of faith if the the Lord doesn' "deliver" his promises. We must remember that the Lord owes us nothing and we owe him everything. Therefore, we should give accordingly, expecting nothing in return except for his love.

Jesus gave us his

-LIFE- ,

for -OURS-.

No payment by us required,

- HE - ...

paid everything.



P.i.C.


.

 

[Merlin]

As many have said, and I agree,
'Tithe' is from the old testament.


 

[calidog]

God does not want 10%

He wants 100%

 

[calidog]

Various churches should support themselves, by asking for money. They should not do it through manipulation, by saying "God commands it." , because He doesn't.

right. If your church does that, you should look around for another place to worship

 

[nb_christseeker]

give and it will be given to you, but Christ was always speaking about the Kingdom of God. also consider how Christ lambasted the hypocrites for tithing out their spices etc, but failing in justice, mercy, love, truth, (er, cant remember the exact line but yea). he said they shouldve practiced the former without leaving the latter undone. God still feels that the 1 of every 10 sheep,etc is his, and he even says that people are "robbing God" by not tithing. Of course everything belongs to God, so giving back to him is like if your dad gave you 10 m+ms and said ok now, give me 1 so i can give it to someone poor. and the kids like "NO theyre MY m+ms. why the heck should i give you my 1 m+m?????" its kinda sad. eventually the issue of giving is solved in the NT when Christ witnesses the poor widow give her 2 coins, saying she has given more than all these others, for she has given everything she had to live on. but she KNEW by FAITH that God would provide for her if she gave her all to God, and indeed, at that very moment, God in the flesh was watching her give, and thats what he had to say about her gift. So now we know what God thinks about giving all we have to him. He is appreciative, and it makes him happy. Its not like there is a lack of people in need. The poor are always among you, and you can help them anytime you want.

 

[calidog]

give and it will be given to you, but Christ was always speaking about the Kingdom of God. also consider how Christ lambasted the hypocrites for tithing out their spices etc, but failing in justice, mercy, love, truth, (er, cant remember the exact line but yea). he said they shouldve practiced the former without leaving the latter undone. God still feels that the 1 of every 10 sheep,etc is his, and he even says that people are "robbing God" by not tithing. Of course everything belongs to God, so giving back to him is like if your dad gave you 10 m+ms and said ok now, give me 1 so i can give it to someone poor. and the kids like "NO theyre MY m+ms. why the heck should i give you my 1 m+m?????" its kinda sad. eventually the issue of giving is solved in the NT when Christ witnesses the poor widow give her 2 coins, saying she has given more than all these others, for she has given everything she had to live on. but she KNEW by FAITH that God would provide for her if she gave her all to God, and indeed, at that very moment, God in the flesh was watching her give, and thats what he had to say about her gift. So now we know what God thinks about giving all we have to him. He is appreciative, and it makes him happy. Its not like there is a lack of people in need. The poor are always among you, and you can help them anytime you want.

well said

 

[New_Wineskin]

That's the first I've heard of a church charging club dues.

That is because they have successfully convinced you that it is a religious thing and something of the Lord instead of what it actually is .

The church has, as its primary source of income, tithes offered by the congregation.

Those are not "tithes" - those are funds for overhead . Why does your group *need* income ? Founding members have decided to have overhead where future members will be brainwashed into thinking that it should be perpetuated .

While the tithe was law in the OT, Christ declared it as a form of worship, not mandatory, in the NT.

When did He do this ? I don't see anything in Acts . I don't see anything that He was quoted suggesting that Gentiles worship with money .

I am glad that you don't consider it as mandatory - even when your group has intentionally dug itself into a financial hole .

I'm sure that when Christians discuss tithes they refer to it as described in the NT. Any reference to the OT is to identify the 10% rule, and not the spirit of giving and willingness to sacrifice.

It *isn't* described in the new writings . The only real reference to some Gentiles comes from a person saying that it could be said that Abraham has already paid the tithes for the Levites and priests . Since I am a priest , it could also be said that Abraham paid the tithe for me as well .

While giving is suggested in the newer writings , tithing is not - definitely not for Gentiles .

 

[New_Wineskin]

I don't think there are too many churches that come out and say give money. The purpose of passing around the collection plate is so that, if you are willing, you have an opportunity to give. And I highly doubt that there are many Protestant/Non-denominational churches (all that I know about) that teach "God commands it". I know mine doesn't.

Quite a lot of groups do teach it . That is why the subject continues to pop up and many supporters show up in the threads .

I am glad that you don't have to listen to that type of sermon several times over the course of the year .

 

[Normann]

I have always been taught to tithe. Even as a small child I remember my parents giving us "coins" to place in the offering plate as it went by. My mother always taught us to give a tenth as a tithe and anything over that is an offering (gift) to God. I always assumed this was NT scripture since our church taught that, as did most every church I ever attended, no matter the demonination, but I was shocked to be told this morning that TITHING is not a command of Jesus, nor did he tell christians anywhere in the NT to tithe!! If someone knows of a verse, please let me know.

I do not believe Tithing is for the NT Christian. The word pay is not proper for my giving. Please I am not boasting just trying to explain. I pay my electric bill but I give Tithe (plus) maybe 12 percent total.

I love the Lord and I want to give so that my church can pay it's electric bill. I find not command in the N.T. to Tithe, yet I find not warning of punishment if we do Tithe.

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

 

[sparkyman481]

Go to this site and read it all.

http://www.bible-truths.com/tithing.html

 

[New_Wineskin]

Go to this site and read it all.

http://www.bible-truths.com/tithing.html

The author makes some valid points .

 

[calidog]

I have always been taught to tithe. Even as a small child I remember my parents giving us "coins" to place in the offering plate as it went by. My mother always taught us to give a tenth as a tithe and anything over that is an offering (gift) to God. I always assumed this was NT scripture since our church taught that, as did most every church I ever attended, no matter the demonination, but I was shocked to be told this morning that TITHING is not a command of Jesus, nor did he tell christians anywhere in the NT to tithe!! If someone knows of a verse, please let me know.

2Co 9:7 Each one, as he purposes in his heartheart, let him give; not of grief, or of necessity, for God loves a cheerful giver.
actually, it is best to read beginning in 2 Col. 9:6 thru 15. please read and enjoy.