Tired of all this ...

[LutheranChick]

Indeed, it is. Whats worse is having someone try to convince you that your in denial and your gay and that all your doing is hurting yourself by denying it.
Sorry, my highschool has a very prevelant openly gay student community. There was about a year inwhich I would say 1 in 3 girls were supposedly bisexual or lesbians....I'm not at all saying it is their fault if they were legitmently struggling with this. But, the fact that it's a "fad" now is kinda ridiculous. I understand it is a difficult struggle that you don't just wake up one day and decide it would be fun to have (well in REAL cases) but the fact that it's cool to be gay is a little ridiculous.

I agree with you 100%. Yes, now it's 'cool' to be gay! THAT is sad. I do feel bad for people who are truly struggling- unfortunately now people are being told to 'embrace' how they are. It is so upsetting to think that kids in school are being told at such young ages that homosexuality is just a different life-style and we have to be okay with it.

 

[mrshoperose]

Makes me worry all the more when they will be trying to shove that garbage down my son's throat...

 

[TheCosmicGospel]

For only 4% of the population, they have one heck of a marketing team. We need to take lessons.

"I was born poor, so give me your money." If you thought about it, you could come up with some just as ridiculous as "born that way".

God hardened the heart of Pharoh. This comes close to what happens to the heart of homosexuals. God "hands them over" to their desires. These people are cursed by God and we are supposed to okay it?

They are part of a lost tribe that I will not condone. And as long as other Chrtistians and churches accept them, they will never know the only saving truth.

What is better, to tell a kid that the stove is hot, or go ahead and touch it.

Peace,

Cos

 

[Archaenfel]

The most difficult matter of this issue is the 'why' of homosexuality. It is either considered an abhorrent sin & deviancy, or one is 'born' that way with no internal choice of their own. Psychologists aren't helpful either, seeming to be more willing to help people 'accept themselves' than to really understand themselves.

I have a hypothesis ( I call it that because I don't have enough facts to rate it as a theory, but I think that it's a sound argument ). Homosexuality / bisexuality is a behavior: much the same as Pavlov's dog, though considerably more complex. Through various experiences, one learns or develops the mental conditioning that physical gratification is best found from others of the same sex.

This is important, because as human beings we are sentient, self-conditioning beings. Yes: we are conditioned by our environment, but we have freedom of choice. We can alter our behavior based on our own internal desires. Homosexuality is a sin, and an abomination, and it is something that people can choose to leave behind just like any other behavior. Making such a change would not be easy, but it is possible.

What is required is a willingness to do so. If you believe you can change, you can change. If you say 'this is what I am', then that is what you will be.



There: I had a chance to say all that ... I feel better.

 

[DaRev]

It is either considered an abhorrent sin & deviancy, or one is 'born' that way with no internal choice of their own.

I don't see those two views as mutually exclusive.

Psalm 51:5, "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me."

 

[Archaenfel]

I believe that refers to original sin, rather than elective sins such as this. The arguement offered by homosexuals is that there's something hard-wired in their brain which makes them the way they are.

I do not believe that God plays with people that way. We are inherently selfish and self-centered, but to go so far as to violate God's commandments requires an act of personal will. We do it in our weakness, but if we truly have the desire to stop God can and will help us through it.

Besides - I am not speaking of the inherent corrupt nature; we're talking about a lifestyle which some see as beautiful and others view as downright disgusting. Further that point of view appears to be strongly influenced by culture, leading me to believe that sexual preferences have a great deal to do with conditioning rather than any physiological mandate.

Biologically, the body wishes to be gratified - that is all. How one comes to that gratification is for the individual to determine. I submit that there's a great deal more freedom available than the homosexual community wishes us to believe.

 

[DaRev]

I believe that refers to original sin, rather than elective sins such as this. The arguement offered by homosexuals is that there's something hard-wired in their brain which makes them the way they are.

As I said, I don't see the two as mutually exclusive. Sin is sin.

I do not believe that God plays with people that way. We are inherently selfish and self-centered, but to go so far as to violate God's commandments requires an act of personal will. We do it in our weakness, but if we truly have the desire to stop God can and will help us through it.

From where does the "desire to stop" come? Not from us. It comes from the continual work of the Holy Spirit. Human sin occurs as the result of resisting the Holy Spirit, which we do by nature.

Besides - I am not speaking of the inherent corrupt nature; we're talking about a lifestyle which some see as beautiful and others view as downright disgusting. Further that point of view appears to be strongly influenced by culture, leading me to believe that sexual preferences have a great deal to do with conditioning rather than any physiological mandate.

Biologically, the body wishes to be gratified - that is all. How one comes to that gratification is for the individual to determine. I submit that there's a great deal more freedom available than the homosexual community wishes us to believe.

But these are borne of the sinful human nature. You can't seperate the human nature from the human act.

 

[Archaenfel]

Well, let me be clear about the purpose of my statements: they are not meant to say that homosexuality is not sinful - quite the opposite. Homosexuality is a sin - and it is a sin of choice rather than original sin which we all have inherited of no fault of our own. The intent of my views is to strongly state to the homosexual community that their lifestyle is a matter of their own choosing, rather than a hardened biological imperitive of which they have no choice.

A great deal of effort has been made to portray the homosexual life as natural, and in many cases a function of one's biology. Supposedly, a person doesn't choose to be attracted one way or another ... it's a function of their DNA.

I propose an alternative: one which accepts that a person didn't conciously choose their preferences, but still insists that those preferences are a matter of choice. Once established as a matter of choice and put in the context of God's Law ( sinful, and described as 'despicable' ), I suggest that the person has hope where others ( especially those within the homosexual community ) insist that they have none.

Homosexuality is a learned behavior. It can be changed with the earnest intent to do so, God's help, and the help of others.