Tired of all this ...

[Aibrean]

I don't know if the word will be sensored so I just left it blank (they don't tell you what is in the profanity filter).

I am so sick and tired of all these people who think homosexuality is ok and not a sin. It's plain and clear in Romans. I was in the women's discussion thread and they were asking if you would go to a homosexual wedding and I said no. I don't want to be a part of anything that is advocating sin. Then they are saying this

Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.

We are ALSO to abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good.

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. For your obedience is known to all, so that I rejoice over you, but I want you to be wise as to what is good and innocent as to what is evil. The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

Obviously I couldn't post this in the general Lutheran forum. No one in the women's discussion was Lutheran, Catholic, or Orthodox (not surprising). I couldn't take the pointless debate (they weren't going to change).

On a happy note, I was watching Privileged the other night and Luis didn't go to Marco's gay wedding because he said that that would make it look like he approved of the gay marriage. Luis is Catholic. It made me happy that tv has some values coming back into it (although his girlfriend broke up with him because he wasn't open - willing to accept everyone bla bla bla).

It makes me want to cry when the words are plainly there in the Bible but people won't accept it.

I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. Purge the evil person from among you.

It's our duty to make sure this isn't in the church.

 

[Protoevangel]

Good post Aibrean.

It makes me wonder, are you currently in the ELCA or something, where this would be something you have to confront on a regular basis?

 

[Aibrean]

No and yes I'm LCMS...I'm talking specifically about the women's discussion thread. Non specifically about how everything in general is getting more and more liberal (including denominations and what has broken off of then).

I confront it on a regular basis because my coworker is gay. The guy from another company I'm meeting Monday for work is gay and my other coworker (not gay...I think) suggested he bring his partner in to visit. It's just like...we are being infiltrated from the bottom up.

 

[porterross]

It's the art world. I remember in college, we had several architecture courses on our list of approved electives, mostly because they had to do with perspective and building site or landscape design, free hand sketching, etc. All subjects applicable to civil engineering, but not required.

The few (openly) gay students attending the university majored in arch. design or some related aspect of it and boy, was going into that building like landing on another planet. It didn't take me long to figure out why not very many other eng. students chose to take art electives.

Unfortunately, many Christians think it's acceptable because that's what Hollywood, the media and socialist politicians have made of point of getting across. Anyone who points out that it's not natural, uncommon, against God's will and not something we all long to try is labeled a homophobic, freedom hater. Clever how they've made upholding what's proper and right wrong in the eyes of society. People have been brainwashed and won't admit it, even though the truth of God's word is right before their eyes.

 

[joyfulthanks]

I remember in college, we had several architecture courses on our list of approved electives, mostly because they had to do with perspective and building site or landscape design, free hand sketching, etc...

...boy, was going into that building like landing on another planet. It didn't take me long to figure out why not very many other eng. students chose to take art electives.

Ahem... Since you and I attended the same college, perhaps I should inform you that my minor was in architecture. I spent a lot of hours on that other planet.

The funny thing about that was that the Building Construction department (populated in large part by rednecks) was in the same building with the Environmental Design (architecture) department which you described. That was an interesting situation!

 

[DaRev]

The funny thing about that was that the Building Construction department (populated in large part by rednecks) was in the same building with the Environmental Design (architecture) department which you described. That was an interesting situation!

Oh, to have been a fly on those walls.

 

[Aibrean]

I don't work at an ad agency. I work at a TV station. The person is in charge of major giving. The other person is from a newspaper who is in some form of marketing/promotions department.

 

[joyfulthanks]

Talking about the situation in the Architecture/Building Construction building just reminded me of a T-shirt the Building Construction (BC) guys used to wear. It said:

"BC - Where the men are men, and the women wear the earrings!"

Aibrean, sorry to disrupt your thread. I'll be quiet now.

 

[Aibrean]

It's ok At least you are talking about normal male thinking lol.

 

[porterross]

Ahem... Since you and I attended the same college, perhaps I should inform you that my minor was in architecture. I spent a lot of hours on that other planet.

The funny thing about that was that the Building Construction department (populated in large part by rednecks) was in the same building with the Environmental Design (architecture) department which you described. That was an interesting situation!

Ha! Yes, that was an interesting mix, but it seems the BC folks weren't hanging around all hours of the day and night working on off the wall projects, so the purple hair and safety pins have stuck in my mind.

I had a roommate who was an ED major and she was right in the mix of the Easter egg topped slam dancers. She was highly intelligent and nice, but totally off her nut and she worked hard at being more flaky than nature made her, on many levels. It was too much for me....and her friends....don't get me started!

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I just recently found out (thanks to Facebook, mostly) that three guys that I dated in high school are now gay. :o

And Aibrean, it's not just women's discussion. Don't ever go into Ethics & Morality if you don't want to come face to face with Christians who are gay and believe earnestly that God has blessed their sexual lifestyle. They have an answer for every scripture that gets put out there. I often worry about those who are weak in the Faith who venture to E&M because the arguments against homosexuality are very effectively (albeit incorrectly) stamped down.

 

[mrshoperose]

Unfortunately, I have come across a similar problem. In my women's Bible study, we somehow got on the subject of homosexuality, and several of the women voiced their belief that gays are somehow "born gay". That it isn't their fault... they were made that way. Nobody disagreed with them, and I was too... insecure? shy? ... not sure what I was... but I didn't speak up either. :o

 

[PreachersWife2004]

It's a very accepted theory these days. It's why I believe ELCA has gone the way it has. Too many people using the "God made me gay so I must be okay" and too many people trying to make it a secular issue rather than a Christian issue. The theory with some Christians seems to be "if society is okay with it, then I'm sure God is okay with it".

:o

 

[porterross]

We're all born original sinners and are sinful wretches by nature, so why should any of us change? The argument they use merely fails to acknowledge the sinful nature and unrepentant sinful acts of some.

If you think about it, that argument is the antithesis of the RCC assertion of remarriage being possible after divorce, because it would make the remarried person a perpetual adulterer, as if the one unforgivable act of human beings is divorce. Those who see homosexuality as a state of human condition not needing forgiveness are applying the same kind, but opposing directional, logic to those in that situation.

God won't forgive the past mistake of marrying the wrong person, but He has no problem with continuous failure to acknowledge the sin of sexual relations with the same sex, which defies basic biology and should be blatantly as to why it's anything but natural? Aside from the fact such thinking goes against Scripture, it makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Aibrean]

Actually the thread was closed because forum rules are they aren't supposed to be discussing it there.

To many people try to rationalize sin and distort the Bible and the passages (taking things out of context too) to make it look like they are all right or what they are doing is ok.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

My favorite has to be the liberal interpretation that David and Jonathan were gay. It would be funny if I didn't know that people actually really believed that they were, at the very least, bisexual.

 

[DaRev]

My favorite has to be the liberal interpretation that David and Jonathan were gay.

I have actually heard people say the same thing about Jesus and John.

 

[mrshoperose]

. . .

*shaking head in frustration*

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

...and several of the women voiced their belief that gays are somehow "born gay". That it isn't their fault... they were made that way. Nobody disagreed with them, and I was too... insecure? shy? ... not sure what I was... but I didn't speak up either. :o

You can justify absolutely everything with this argument... I guess we don't need Scripture, the Church or Christ's atonement.

The doctrine of "Self Alone".

 

[cassie121]

Indeed, it is. Whats worse is having someone try to convince you that your in denial and your gay and that all your doing is hurting yourself by denying it.
Sorry, my highschool has a very prevelant openly gay student community. There was about a year inwhich I would say 1 in 3 girls were supposedly bisexual or lesbians....I'm not at all saying it is their fault if they were legitmently struggling with this. But, the fact that it's a "fad" now is kinda ridiculous. I understand it is a difficult struggle that you don't just wake up one day and decide it would be fun to have (well in REAL cases) but the fact that it's cool to be gay is a little ridiculous.