Time waves and distant star fun

[TLK Valentine]

One could say people do not know that swallowing evolution rather than believing God is not known to result in keeping one from maybe getting saved.

Because that's a false dilemma, and anyone who presents it that way would be lying.

It is all part of the devil's tactic to destroy faith in God, and say anything that will delay hinder or keep us from Him and salvation.

We have fundies for that; the devil's out of a job, then.

God clearly told then not to eat the fruit or die.

Not to eat the fruit or what?

 

[dad]

Because that's a false dilemma, and anyone who presents it that way would be lying.

I disagree. To come to God one must believe in Him. If various Satanic doctrine of devils are in the way, that hinder belief in Him, such as evolution which offers another creation story altogether, then they do keep men from the salvation of God.

 

[dad]

The tree was of the knowledge of both, not just knowledge of evil. Clearly, they had to learn something good in eating it as well as bad.

Yet they did have knowledge of good already, since they knew Good in Person.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Yet they did have knowledge of good already, since they knew Good in Person.

Talking to god isn't necessarily understanding god.

 

[dad]

Talking to god isn't necessarily understanding god.

Knowing Him in Person seems to be a good way to get to know Him to me.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Knowing Him in Person seems to be a good way to get to know Him to me.

Listening to a being list off some rules and then it leaves isn't the same as actually conversing with it, it seems very one-sided.

 

[dad]

Listening to a being list off some rules and then it leaves isn't the same as actually conversing with it, it seems very one-sided.

How long did Adam talk to God? Do we know?

 

[TLK Valentine]

I disagree.

Of course you would.

To come to God one must believe in Him. If various Satanic doctrine of devils are in the way, that hinder belief in Him, such as evolution which offers another creation story altogether, then they do keep men from the salvation of God.

And yet, the split/merge/different state past blather keeps far more people away from God than evolution does, and you'd never admit in a thousand lifetimes that it's in any way a Satanic doctrine.

Double standard, or none at all?

 

[apache1]

Great, keep us posted.

And that's just the beginning!

 

[dad]

Of course you would.



And yet, the split/merge/different state past blather keeps far more people away from God than evolution does, and you'd never admit in a thousand lifetimes that it's in any way a Satanic doctrine.

Double standard, or none at all?

Hardly anyone has heard of that particular creation science model. The fact is it points to a God who is real and not a liar also. To call that satanic is to lose touch with any reality.

 

[dad]

And that's just the beginning!

Alrighty then.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Knowing Him in Person seems to be a good way to get to know Him to me.

So why don't you try it and let us know how it goes?

 

[Huntun]

If deep space contained materials that were spiritual in nature, then this could not be considered matter. Bottom line..science really does not know. Really really really

ma·te·ri·al
məˈti(&#601rēəl/
adjective
denoting or consisting of physical objects rather than the mind or spirit.
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Wouldn't the term material imply matter?

I agree that science doesn't know though. Technically it can't know anything. Seeing as how it's not a person I don't see why it would be expected to have knowledge either. It's not sentient in nature it's a process used by humans.

 

[dad]

ma·te·ri·al
məˈti(&#601rēəl/
adjective
denoting or consisting of physical objects rather than the mind or spirit.
​

Wouldn't the term material imply matter?

Yes, but what else also? Matter in what spacetime and laws? Jesus had a body that exhibited traits of both physical and spiritual after He rose from the dead. Just because we see some hydrogen or something doesn't mean all we think it means in deep space.

I agree that science doesn't know though. Technically it can't know anything. Seeing as how it's not a person I don't see why it would be expected to have knowledge either. It's not sentient in nature it's a process used by humans.

Man's wisdom is embodied in science, to a large degree. What 'it' knows' or can do, or uses as a guideline or criteria or claims can be referred to as having to do with science. Science does have a method, and only covers certain things. There are claims all the time from science or in the name of science, or however you prefer to word it.

 

[davidbilby]

Yes, but what else also? Matter in what spacetime and laws? Jesus had a body that exhibited traits of both physical and spiritual after He rose from the dead. Just because we see some hydrogen or something doesn't mean all we think it means in deep space.

I still can't believe you are ok with a God who is putting things out there for us to see...that aren't what they look like, despite...looking exactly what they look like. Precisely. Does that really not bother you, that he's messing with you? God must crack himself up.

Man's wisdom is embodied in science, to a large degree. What 'it' knows' or can do, or uses as a guideline or criteria or claims can be referred to as having to do with science. Science does have a method, and only covers certain things. There are claims all the time from science or in the name of science, or however you prefer to word it.

Science covers certain things...true...but the realm of that expands daily. Whilst the domain of science concerned only things that were very much terrestrial, well, religion (and particularly Christianity) was thrilled. It said "gee, you're showing us how glorious God's creation is. Thank you!", and funded the scientists, and gave them housing and clothing and didn't, well, you know, torture and burn them at the stake and stuff.

But then scientists realized that there was more to it than that, and religion might be telling some...well, porkie pies about whether, you know, the Earth went around the Sun or the Sun went around the Earth and things like that. So religion got its panties all in a twist - because as we all know, religion only makes money when it can claim to be the inerrant truth, and with that supposed "truth", threaten people with burning in a lake of eternal fire if they don't cough up, and as we all know, altars have to be made of gold and gold isn't cheap.

Initially, they just burned the scientists. Because fire is cheap.

But now, they can't do that any more. So they've changed strategies, realizing that science is now a very very very very hard subject and most people just don't care when they have to pay the rent at the end of the month. Most people are...scientifically speaking....dumb. Relatively speaking of course, people aren't stupid, but how many people here can define "Lagrangian" without looking it up? Not many. That's ok. But just know, if you don't understand this stuff, you're missing out one of the most beautiful pictures ever that tells you more about you than anything you've heard about you.

If you believe in God, then to deny that that deity could have created a universe of colossal proportions with something as phenomenal as the mathematical underpinnings we know now to be essentially true (with some gaps)...and instead claim a special little fishbowl universe just put specially here for our pathetically selfish species...then you've reduced your deity to the McDonalds of theistic entities....a creator of a slightly unimpressive universe with little point for a squabbling, petty species that is completely ruining its environment.

 

[Kylie]

We know all that. However I dare you to provide empirical data and experimental evidences that show that the time dilation or differences actually cease at some point in space? That would help your cause.

You demanding evidence is a bit rich, isn't it, when you provide none of your own?

 

[Michael]

You demanding evidence is a bit rich, isn't it, when you provide none of your own?

You noticed that too did ya? Quite the irony eh?

 

[dad]

I still can't believe you are ok with a God who is putting things out there for us to see...that aren't what they look like, despite...looking exactly what they look like. Precisely. Does that really not bother you, that he's messing with you? God must crack himself up.

Hey, what does a little star 'look like'!!? Does it look a hundred times bigger than the sun!? Nothing out there looks weird to me.

Science covers certain things...true...but the realm of that expands daily.

Get serious. You think it is almost at covering the spiritual!!?

Whilst the domain of science concerned only things that were very much terrestrial, well, religion (and particularly Christianity) was thrilled. It said "gee, you're showing us how glorious God's creation is. Thank you!", and funded the scientists, and gave them housing and clothing and didn't, well, you know, torture and burn them at the stake and stuff.

They are good to a certain extent. A bit like the Soviet Union used to call some people..'useful idiots'!

But then scientists realized that there was more to it than that, and religion might be telling some...well, porkie pies about whether, you know, the Earth went around the Sun or the Sun went around the Earth and things like that. So religion got its panties all in a twist - because as we all know, religion only makes money when it can claim to be the inerrant truth, and with that supposed "truth", threaten people with burning in a lake of eternal fire if they don't cough up, and as we all know, altars have to be made of gold and gold isn't cheap.

Now we know that this orbital arrangement we see is part of a temporary state. It may not go round the sun in the new heavens and earth coming! Nor may it have done so in the former state!

Initially, they just burned the scientists. Because fire is cheap.

Now they burn cities.

But now, they can't do that any more. So they've changed strategies, realizing that science is now a very very very very hard subject and most people just don't care when they have to pay the rent at the end of the month. Most people are...scientifically speaking....dumb.

NONE dumber than the poor sods who thought they were smarter than God, and I can now see were foolish and wrong in the extreme.

Relatively speaking of course, people aren't stupid, but how many people here can define "Lagrangian" without looking it up? Not many.

You do it! Let's see how clever a concept it really is. You heard of a 'celebrity roast'? Consider this a so called science concept roast!

That's ok. But just know, if you don't understand this stuff, you're missing out one of the most beautiful pictures ever that tells you more about you than anything you've heard about you.

Get off the cloud kid. Delusion may be at times euphoric, but there is nothing beautiful about calling God a liar and claiming the universe is a freak show of flukes.

If you believe in God, then to deny that that deity could have created a universe of colossal proportions with something as phenomenal as the mathematical underpinnings we know now to be essentially true (with some gaps)..

What does a real real big universe have to do with do with God lying to us about the fact He really created it, and us??

.and instead claim a special little fishbowl universe just put specially here for our pathetically selfish species..

You can't even talk about the human race without insulting and demeaning it! Consider the source of the inspiration for the alternate creation fables!


My Good is lot bigger than this whole universe. This was under a week's work.

 

[dad]

You noticed that too did ya? Quite the irony eh?

By the way, on an off topic note, I noticed the other disciple of the electric universe denied Jesus was God. Do you also?