Time waves and distant star fun

[dad]

Leaving aside the reasons why a time difference actually occurs, this thread looks at the reality that it does, and some possible ramifications on 'deep time' and a light year.


It is known that as we go higher from earth an actual time difference occurs. Like a wave, somewhat.

The calculation is this..

"Tick tock: The atomic clock calculated that for every 12 inches of elevation, 90 billionths of a second are added ..


The phenomenon -


...- has been demonstrated by putting atomic clocks on jumbo jets and flying them at high altitudes.

Just as Einstein predicted, clocks flown at 30,000 feet run faster than those left behind on the ground.
Gravitational time dilation can be seen in global positioning satellites which need to have their clocks regularly adjusted.

"

Scientists prove time really does pass quicker at a higher altitude | Mail Online


Fitting this pattern we of course also see a time difference in airplanes, satellites, and etc etc.

Here is the math....(this was done fast, so if I made a mistake feel free to correct it, all part of the fun)

If one foot equals about 90 billionths of a second time difference, then, to get 9 seconds we would need about 90 billion feet.

A light year has about, if my googling was right, about 5,878,000,000,000 miles. If we break down the trillions of feet involved in those miles, and divide that by the 90 billion feet segments each representing 9 seconds in time, the result would be a big time difference in one light year! If my calculations were right, one would need to set your clock ahead about 266.2 DAYS just one light year in distance away from earth!

That means a light year would not be a light year in time at all!


That means that the whole cosmo standard model would be garbage. Sizes, distances all of it!



That is a lot to digest and think about. On a side note, space itself is viewed as a vacuum. (Not a perfect one of course)


A vacuum is defined as such.. "Vacuum is space that is devoid of matter."

Vacuum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If deep space contained materials that were spiritual in nature, then this could not be considered matter. Bottom line..science really does not know. Really really really

[edit march 25 -- the time difference in experiment actually woulld be over 79 years...]

 

[Michael]

Bottom line..science really does not know. Really really really

There may be a lot of things that science doesn't know yet Dad, but the fact the Earth is *ancient* isn't one of them. Get over it already.

 

[lesliedellow]

A light year has about, if my googling was right, about 5,878,000,000,000 miles. If we break down the trillions of feet involved in those miles, and divide that by the 90 billion feet segments each representing 9 seconds in time, the result would be a big time difference in one light year! If my calculations were right, one would need to set your clock ahead about 266.2 DAYS just one light year in distance away from earth!

Well, I realise, of course, that it was merely an oversight on your part, but you failed to take account of the fact that the Earth's gravitational field decreases as you move away from the Earth.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, I realise, of course, that it was merely an oversight on your part, but you failed to take account of the fact that the Earth's gravitational field decreases as you move away from the Earth.

You failed to take into account that dad is a Biblical literalist. That means a geocentric universe with a flat Earth. Gravity for him does not have to decrease as elevation goes up.

 

[dad]

There may be a lot of things that science doesn't know yet Dad, but the fact the Earth is *ancient* isn't one of them. Get over it already.

Thanks for the statement of faith in man's wisdom. Try addressing the topic next time.

 

[dad]

Well, I realise, of course, that it was merely an oversight on your part, but you failed to take account of the fact that the Earth's gravitational field decreases as you move away from the Earth.

We know all that. However I dare you to provide empirical data and experimental evidences that show that the time dilation or differences actually cease at some point in space? That would help your cause.

Meanwhile when we follow the observed pattern of time difference, which occurs at a predictable rate per distance, we find that a clock only one light year away would need to be adjusted 266 plus days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Subduction Zone]

We know all that. However I dare you to provide empirical data and experimental evidences that show that the time dilation or differences actually cease at some point in space? That would help your cause.

Meanwhile when we follow the observed pattern of time difference, which occurs at a predictable rate per distance, we find that a clock only one light year away would need to be adjusted 266 plus days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only in a Flat Earth universe.

In one with a spherical Earth the time dilation caused by gravity quickly goes to zero as the relative gravity of the Earth goes to zero.

It is nice to see you keeping up the old traditions.

 

[dad]

Only in a Flat Earth universe.

In one with a spherical Earth the time dilation caused by gravity quickly goes to zero as the relative gravity of the Earth goes to zero.

It is nice to see you keeping up the old traditions.

Babble aside why not provide the empirical evidence and experiment data that shows that time dilation ceases in proportion to earth gravity? Or do you just assume that?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Babble aside why not provide the empirical evidence and experiment data that shows that time dilation ceases in proportion to earth gravity? Or do you just assume that?

No need. If you don't understand how gravitational dilation occurs it is not up to me to educate you. All I have to do is to point out how foolishly wrong that you are.

It should be obvious to even you that time dilation based upon gravitation goes to zero as gravity goes to zero.


That is why your "work" is so amusing. It is based upon a flat Earth.

 

[dad]

No need. If you don't understand how gravitational dilation occurs it is not up to me to educate you. All I have to do is to point out how foolishly wrong that you are.

Big need actually since the OP mentioned that the focus was not on theoretical causes but observed evidence!

It should be obvious to even you that time dilation based upon gravitation goes to zero as gravity goes to zero.

It is not based on gravity probably in distant space. You need to back up your claims. The evidenced observed time changes are what I offered!


Parallax measure uses time in the equation. If time cannot be extended outward, but we see differences such as the 266 days per year differences in the OP...you can forget all of your claims about...well anything!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Big need actually since the OP mentioned that the focus was not on theoretical causes but observed evidence!

The observed evidence supports me. I will not teach a person who is actively dishonest and worse yet refers to himself in the third person.

It is not based on gravity probably in distant space. You need to back up your claims. The evidenced observed time changes are what I offered!

Wrong, simple wrong. You want to change Einstein's theory. The burden of proof is upon you, not me. Once again, I explained that when gravity goes to zero the dilation caused by gravity would obviously go to zero. That is what you were talking about.

Parallax measure uses time in the equation. If time cannot be extended outward, but we see differences such as the 266 days per year differences in the OP...you can forget all of your claims about...well anything!

How does time enter the parallax equation? Another empty claim by dad.

 

[dad]

The observed evidence supports me. I will not teach a person who is actively dishonest and worse yet refers to himself in the third person.

You teach no one anything obviously. At least try to learn here. We can start with you learning how to support your little causes. Like how gravity is the be all end all for time difference in space! Let's see some substance and forget the big talk. I wasn't born yesterday.

Wrong, simple wrong. You want to change Einstein's theory.

No. Who said it applies here? Time difference is far bigger than that.

The burden of proof is upon you, not me.

The time difference is observed. No mystery. Now if you have proof it can't apply in space too, then show us. Otherwise that more than 266 days per light year time change is a big thing.

Once again, I explained that when gravity goes to zero the dilation caused by gravity would obviously go to zero. That is what you were talking about.

Not interested in little theories with no support.

How does time enter the parallax equation? Another empty claim by dad.

Listen up, and learn. If we, for example use the earth for two points in a parallax measure, six months apart, that means time is what the geometric line represents! Unless time is the same all the way to the star, the distance is absolutely wrong!

 

[Subduction Zone]

dad, Einstein's theories are among the most tested and best supported theories in all of physics. Are you really that ignorant?

Once again, you are the one making extraordinary claims. The burden of proof is upon you. I don't have to prove anything since all observed effects of gravity support Einstein's theories. You on the hand have nothing.

Here:
Gravitational time dilation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Subduction Zone]

Listen up, an learn. If we, for example use the earth foor two points in a parallax measure, six months apart, that means time is what the geometric line represents! Unless time is the same all the way to the star, the distance is absolutely wrong!

 

[dad]

dad, Einstein's theories are among the most tested and best supported theories in all of physics. Are you really that ignorant?

We are all ignorant here of what supports your claims that time changes in space must be gravity alone. Can you fix that?

Once again, you are the one making extraordinary claims.

No. The OP has the experimental data. There really is a time change per foot! It really is noticed on planes and space! You seem to be claiming it ceases at some point? Proof?

 

[Subduction Zone]

We are all ignorant here of what supports your claims that time changes in space must be gravity alone. Can you fix that?
No. The OP has the experimental data. There really is a time change per foot! It really is noticed on planes and space! You seem to be claiming it ceases at some point? Proof?

No you are ignorant. Don't try to put your ignorance upon others.

And no, I am not going to bother to try to educate you tonight. I gave you a link, read it. If you have questions I may be able to help you.

You were the one that made a laughable error that points to a flat Earth. Perhaps you should not try to do science until you get that concept of addition down.

 

[dad]

No you are ignorant. Don't try to put your ignorance upon others.

And no, I am not going to bother to try to educate you tonight. I gave you a link, read it. If you have questions I may be able to help you.

You were the one that made a laughable error that points to a flat Earth. Perhaps you should not try to do science until you get that concept of addition down.

The error made here is that you claim time difference in space does and can not exist, because it is earth gravity that changes time. Right? So what evidence do you have? Have you several data points in space where no dilation occurs? If not then ... well...Hoo Ha!

 

[Subduction Zone]

The error made here is that you claim time difference in space does and can not exist, because it is earth gravity that changes time. Right? So what evidence do you have? Have you several data points in space where no dilation occurs? If not then ... well...Hoo Ha!

No, I didn't. That is not what I said at all.

Try again.

Try to be honest about what I said. If you make a mistake I will gladly point it out.

Meanwhile the facts are that your equations only work for a Flat Earth. But then that is what the Bible says after all.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Good night dad.

A couple of free points for you to ponder over night:

Time dilation is based upon Einstein's theories of relativity.

Gravitational time dilation is based upon the local gravitational field. On Earth the gravitational field is caused by .... Earth. The further away from the Earth you are the lower that field is and the lower the amount of time dilation would be. It would go to zero as Earth's field goes to zero. In fact the article I linked has the appropriate formula for you.

The Earth is not flat. The Earth's force of gravity drops off as the radius increases. The amount of time dilation does not increase the way that you thought it does.

You made a funny mistake. Own up to it and we can move on.

 

[dad]

No, I didn't. That is not what I said at all.

Try again.

Try to be honest about what I said. If you make a mistake I will gladly point it out.

Meanwhile the facts are that your equations only work for a Flat Earth. But then that is what the Bible says after all.

Hey point something out for heaven sake, rather than endless empty banter. Time dilation. Time change. This is the issue here. It is observed high and low. So tell us what proof you have that it stops anywhere?