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Time Travel?

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Yamialpha said:
Ah, a fan of the Grandfather Paradox?

I love the grandfather paradox. Especially cause it confuses the heck out of my mom. Heck, all paradoxes confuse her. I also like Shrodinger's Cat.
 
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WhirlwindMonk said:
I love the grandfather paradox. Especially cause it confuses the heck out of my mom. Heck, all paradoxes confuse her. I also like Shrodinger's Cat.

At least your mother knows what a paradox is. It was rather frustrating for me when I heard about the Grandfather Paradox since I had been pondering an almost identical problem that I had discovered. They beat me to it again.
 
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Yamialpha said:
Ah, a fan of the Grandfather Paradox?
I love paradox, and indeed all logical puzzles. If Maxwell's Demon were real, I would try to meet it.

I do not think Schrodinger's Cat is a paradox, just an illustrated example statistical abstraction.
 
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Jatopian said:
I love paradox, and indeed all logical puzzles. If Maxwell's Demon were real, I would try to meet it.

I do not think Schrodinger's Cat is a paradox, just an illustrated example statistical abstraction.

Well whatever Schrodinger's Cat is (whether a paradox, statistical abstraction, or something else) it's a very interesting concept that brings up a good point.
 
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Jatopian said:
I do not think Schrodinger's Cat is a paradox, just an illustrated example statistical abstraction.

I don't argue that taken literaly there is some truth to this. However, I'd like to argue that looking at it this way doesn't capture how important it is to both science and philosophy.

Superposition of states is fundamental to QM, and all of QM predictive power is based upon it. What's more, superposition of states suggests many really deep (maybe troubling) thoughts about how our universe operates.

Superposition of states is rarely found on macroscopic scales. However, this has been accomplished and is done now on a routine basis. When I say that in a circuit we must assume it is always in a superposition of both the states "current flowing" and "current not flowing" (and all others), I can see how you would think that it is a statistical abstraction, since, due to it being a classical system, this does not affect the statistics.

However, now that larger scale systems have been devised that really are in a superposition of states (I assume you are aware of them, and can give references if needed), we have to accept that the line between quantum statistics and classical statistics is more complicated than we thought, and we must assume superposed states to stay predictive. This is why there has been such a huge uptick in research on decoherence in the past two decades.

The Schroedinger's cat thought experiment may be a statistical abstraction, but not all macroscopic systems are, and there is some question as to whether we will always be able to write it off that way.
 
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A while back there was a really good thread on this that had a lot of interesting information discussing things that were real possibilities, I was wondering about that a little more... what are the possibilities?



I think we need some experiments.
Einstein says..: m=mo/((1-v^2/c^2)^1/2)

We have to know what's the limit of our m that we can resist.
I wouldn't want to become..a photon...........


:angel:
 
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fireandwater said:
Could you please define "superposition"?

In quantum mechanics a system is described by a state function, which we'll call |A>. This statefunction may be made up of any number of eigenfuctions (edit: that should read "made up of any linear combination of eigenfunctions), which are linearly independant functions in a hermitian vector space. Let's say a state function |A> had two eigenfunctions |a> and |b>. In quantum mechanics you are required to treat the state function |A> as if it were in a superposition of states |a> + |b>.

In other words, when determining the statistics of a quantum system, you treat it as if it were in all possible states. Classically a system is in a state, and you need only measure it to figure out which one. This is what the Schroedinger Cat is all about; classicaly, we figure if you have radiated the cat, it is alive or dead. Quantum mechanically, you have to treat the cat as if it were both alive and dead until you measure it.

To be honest, the Shroedinger Cat paradox is a rather mediocre thought experiment because a living organism is an exceedingly complex system, and the cat should be thought of as any vast number of possible states, many of which would leave it alive or dead. Consider instead the research this gentleman works on (he has a description of it in his Aug 18th post). He works with circuits which function as quantum qubits. They deal every day with the fact that the circuits can have current flowing one way, the other, or a superposition of the two states. It's quantum superposition on a larger scale.

That paper on decoherence I linked to above may be more help than I've been.
 
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Thats true actually.. never thought of that one before.. now a question regarding that.. if we were to travel at the speed of light indefinitely, providing that we pick up no illnesses, would this create immortality? But there again, it would be impossible for the human to travel at that speed on it's own, it would have to be contained in a spaceship. Now.. if it was actually the ship traveling at that speed and NOT the people inside then would there actually be any effect to the people?
 
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Actually, even if you did pick up an illness, it wouldn't kill you if you travelled at the speed of light. You'd be frozen in time, so you wouldn't live at all. And the people inside of the spaceship would be travelling at the speed of light as well. That's why it people are killed whenever they come out of a vehicle going down the road-they're travelling at the same speed of the vehicle.
 
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Actually, even if you did pick up an illness, it wouldn't kill you if you travelled at the speed of light. You'd be frozen in time, so you wouldn't live at all.

So really, this is a method of time travel? Provided that when you drop below the SOL you begin 'living' again? But there again, that would be obvious anyway..
 
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Yes since you wouldn't experience time, meaning you could live to see any point in the future. And when you'd drop below the speed of light (from here on out I'll denote the speed of light as "c") you'd return to time, meaning you'd be living at the same rate as everyone else.
 
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