Time to outlaw public schools

[Gregory Thompson]

For some reason I'm reminded of one of those short stories at the end of Fahrenheit 451

 

[Hammster]

Finally, proposal worth of consideration.

Why?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Why did you school allow this to happen and not inform parents?

I imagine peeking into every car in a 500+ parking lot was not feasible.
Blessings.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Sexual acts forced upon a child is not curiosity.

Children are pretty innocent and explorers. You assume the male child forced himself but she may have been a willing participant. I have a sister who was quite an explorer as a child so I know girls can be just as bad. Blessings.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Why?

Because homeschooling in many states has essentially zero oversight, making it easy to enable abusive family members to hide their crimes.

 

[PloverWing]

We need to just ban public schools because of this incident. Teachers and administrators cannot be trusted.

Okay, suppose we do this. We close all the K-12 schools across the country. What alternative model do you have in mind, to ensure that American citizens can read and write, and that they have a solid knowledge of basic mathematics, science, history, American government, and the arts?

 

[Mark Quayle]

Children are pretty innocent and explorers. You assume the male child forced himself but she may have been a willing participant. I have a sister who was quite an explorer as a child so I know girls can be just as bad. Blessings.

In other words, the story is not dependably accurate. Ok, possible. But, if it is forced, coerced, then no. It's not just curiosity.

Perhaps more to the point, though, is the notion that the current climate of "kids know what they want — let's give it to them" about sex, and that children should be educated about sex the more specifically the better, the sooner the better, is conducive to such things. Don't think for a moment that the left doesn't want as much disparate pursuit of ungodliness as they can produce.

When I was a child, yes, plenty of curiosity, but, at least, we knew to be ashamed, and not to coerce anyone into anything.

 

[Hammster]

Because homeschooling in many states has essentially zero oversight, making it easy to enable abusive family members to hide their crimes.

First off, which states have no oversight? Second, what crimes are committed in home schooling situations that aren’t committed in homes where kids go to governmentschools? And, third, as we’ve seen, why do think government schools that actually do have oversight are better?

 

[Hammster]

Okay, suppose we do this. We close all the K-12 schools across the country. What alternative model do you have in mind, to ensure that American citizens can read and write, and that they have a solid knowledge of basic mathematics, science, history, American government, and the arts?

Well, my children have never stepped foot into a government school, and they are educated as you’ve stated.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Why?

Because teaching is a skill and doing it well requires training and experience. A lot of homeschool instruction is poor, some is worse. Sure there are kids that do better in individualized learning situations with close supervision, but for every kid that would do better because of that, there are so many more that would not due to teaching skill issues. Then there is the problem of course content comprehension. There is already plenty of issues with parents not able to help with homework. Do you think the learning gets better when they don't even have ghe schoolteacher who *does* understand it, and only the parent that doesn't.

Nope, widespread homeschooling will only result in a proliferation of poorly and partially educated students who will make even worse homeschool teachers.

 

[PloverWing]

Well, my children have never stepped foot into a government school, and they are educated as you’ve stated.

Okay, good. How do you ensure that the other millions of Americans are also well-educated?

 

[Hammster]

Because teaching is a skill and doing it well requires training and experience. A lot of homeschool instruction is poor, some is worse. Sure there are kids that do better in individualized learning situations with close supervision, but for every kid that would do better because of that, there are so many more that would not due to teaching skill issues. Then there is the problem of course content comprehension. There is already plenty of issues with parents not able to help with homework. Do you think the learning gets better when they don't even have ghe schoolteacher who *does* understand it, and only the parent that doesn't.

Nope, widespread homeschooling will only result in a proliferation of poorly and partially educated students who will make even worse homeschool teachers.

You may want do some research into this before you continue down this silly path.

But back to the OP, since a six year old girl was sexually assaulted in a government school, that’s more than enough reason to close down schools.

 

[Hammster]

Okay, good. How do you ensure that the other millions of Americans are also well-educated?

I don’t. That’s the job of the…wait for it…parents.

 

[PloverWing]

I don’t. That’s the job of the…wait for it…parents.

That could work. I want to hear more implementation details.

I want to live in a society in which my fellow citizens have a solid basic level of education. Given that I live in a democracy, I especially want my fellow voters to be sufficiently well-educated that they will be able to understand the issues about which they are voting, informed by a knowledge of history, science, literature and the arts, and so forth. How do I ensure that all parents have the training and the resources to provide this kind of education to their children?

 

[Hans Blaster]

You may want do some research into this before you continue down this silly path.

Homeschooling is a hit or miss or miss or miss way to do education. I'll stand by my position.

But back to the OP, since a six year old girl was sexually assaulted in a government school, that’s more than enough reason to close down schools.

That OP? I saw it as a disingenuous attempt to tar all public schools with a single incident initiated by 6-year-olds. An incident that could have happened in *any* location where children of such age are gather and poorly supervised. The "reaction" given in the OP is no different than if the same thing had happened in a "Sunday school" class and the response was to call for the disbanding of all churches.

 

[Hammster]

That could work. I want to hear more implementation details.

I want to live in a society in which my fellow citizens have a solid basic level of education. Given that I live in a democracy, I especially want my fellow voters to be sufficiently well-educated that they will be able to understand the issues about which they are voting, informed by a knowledge of history, science, literature and the arts, and so forth. How do I ensure that all parents have the training and the resources to provide this kind of education to their children?

What makes you think that your way of understanding things is the way that everyone should understand things.

 

[Hammster]

Homeschooling is a hit or miss or miss or miss way to do education. I'll stand by my position.


That OP? I saw it as a disingenuous attempt to tar all public schools with a single incident initiated by 6-year-olds. An incident that could have happened in *any* location where children of such age are gather and poorly supervised. The "reaction" given in the OP is no different than if the same thing had happened in a "Sunday school" class and the response was to call for the disbanding of all churches.

Are you saying that it’s an overreaction to scrap the school system because there are certain bad actors involved in various schools?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Are you saying that it’s an overreaction to scrap the school system because there are certain bad actors involved in various schools?

was this whole thread just some dumb analogy you're planning to spring on us shortly? (Like the "leg" thread where you haven't sprung your "trap".)

 

[friend of]

On an unrelated note

@Hammster why do you call yourself a "pasty-faced white boy"?

are you suffering from White Liberal Guilt?

 

[essentialsaltes]

First off, which states have no oversight?

"Best" States for Homeschooling​

Meanwhile, in other states, parents only have to file the initial paperwork and then they are completely on their own with very little requirements from their state government.
These states are often labeled homeschooling friendly or the "best states for homeschooling" because they allow parents to be autonomous and guide their child's education as they see fit. What's more, in these states, officials typically require less record-keeping, less testing, and less reporting than other states.

Alaska​

Under the homeschool statute, there are no requirements to notify the state, get approval, take tests, or to be a certified teacher.

Idaho​

Parents who homeschool their kids in Idaho don't have to possess any particular qualifications like some states require.6 Additionally, they are not required to obtain district approval or test their children. And if their local school district asks for information about their homeschool program, they are not legally required to provide it.

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Second, what crimes are committed in home schooling situations that aren’t committed in homes where kids go to governmentschools?

Incest!

And, third, as we’ve seen, why do think government schools that actually do have oversight are better?

'As we've seen'?

What have we seen? 1 story in the OP? Have you seen the link Nith provided on abuse in homeschools?

In most states, employees in public schools are all mandatory reporters. Homeschoolers in some states don't have to check in occasionally to even tell anyone their kid is still alive, much less how they're doing at algebra.