Time to end this.

[Apollo Celestio]

The reason most of us "fundies" do not support homosexuality is not because we hate you and enjoy your suffering, it is because God labeled it a sin(or so we believe) in the bible, simple as that. So please end this foolishness that anyone hates anyone, please. It's annoying, and it edifies nobody.

 

[catlover]

The reason most of us "fundies" do not support homosexuality is not because we hate you and enjoy your suffering, it is because God labeled it a sin(or so we believe) in the bible, simple as that. So please end this foolishness that anyone hates anyone, please. It's annoying, and it edifies nobody.

What do you call the threads that scape goat gays for disease and societies' ills?

 

[Phinehas2]

Thank you Ishida.

Jesus told His disciples that people would hate them because of Him. I am quite happy to accept people are free to do what they wish including same-sex sex, the issue on these threads which casues the probelm is not same-sex unions, but the Bible and the Biblical testimony of Jesus Christ which tells believers such things are error, that is what is not accpeted by some.

 

[catlover]

Thank you Ishida.

Jesus told His disciples that people would hate them because of Him. I am quite happy to accept people are free to do what they wish including same-sex sex, the issue on these threads which casues the probelm is not same-sex unions, but the Bible and the Biblical testimony of Jesus Christ which tells believers such things are error, that is what is not accpeted by some.

Spare me...no one dislikes fundamentlists who behave in a hatefilled way towards homosexuals because of Jesus.

What is disliked is the energy you waste on condemning a group in society who is truly discriminated against.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear catlover,
But Christians are to like homosexuals who behave in a hatefilled way towards Christians because of Jesus.... basically because of Jesus.

For your information my gay and lesbian friends are my friends and I appear ot be theirs, so do you hate your friends and if so how can thye be your friends if you hate them.

What is disliked is the energy you waste on condemning a group in society who is truly discriminated against.

I dont condemn anyone, the message I tell is that Jesus Christ's testimony is that in Him no-one is condemned. You and others seem to be telling me the message I am giving is the opposite of the message I am giving.

 

[David Brider]

The reason most of us "fundies" do not support homosexuality is not because we hate you and enjoy your suffering, it is because God labeled it a sin(or so we believe) in the bible, simple as that. So please end this foolishness that anyone hates anyone, please. It's annoying, and it edifies nobody.

Tell me something: how do you define homosexuality?

Because I can find nowhere in the Bible labelling (my understanding of) homosexuality as a sin, so I suspect we may be coming at this discussion from different directions.

And as far as the issue of hatred is concerned, my general observation (not necessarily applicable to you personally, but it's definitely prevalent on this forum) is that often those who are opposed to homosexuals and/or homosexuality communicate their point of view in a manner which seems to be rather hateful. If they don't want homosexuals to think that they're speaking from a position of hatred, this may be something which needs fixing.

Just a thought.

David.

 

[David Brider]

Dear catlover,
But Christians are to like homosexuals who behave in a hatefilled way towards Christians because of Jesus.... basically because of Jesus.

I know of no homosexuals who behave in a hatefilled way towards Christians (I've heard reports of such behaviour, but I've not experienced it myself). I do, however, know of several Christians who behave (or at least post on these forums) in a hatefilled way towards homosexuals (including their brothers and sisters in Christ).

Call me picky, but that's something I'd like to see stop.

David.

 

[savedandhappy1]

I know of no homosexuals who behave in a hatefilled way towards Christians (I've heard reports of such behaviour, but I've not experienced it myself). I do, however, know of several Christians who behave (or at least post on these forums) in a hatefilled way towards homosexuals (including their brothers and sisters in Christ).

Call me picky, but that's something I'd like to see stop.

David.

Correct me if I am wrong, but are you saying that you haven't seen any post from homosexuals or pro-homosexuals on this forum that were hateful towards Christians? (haven't seen them or that there aren't any?)

 

[David Brider]

Correct me if I am wrong, but are you saying that you haven't seen any post from homosexuals or pro-homosexuals on this forum that were hateful towards Christians? (haven't seen them or that there aren't any?)

I've not seen any - most of the posts from homosexuals or pro-homosexuals have tended to be rather civil, on the whole. Sure, there's been a bit of snappiness and irritability sometimes - with the conversations normally ending up on a repeating cycle within a few posts of any given thread starting, that's pretty understandable; but that tends to apply to all sides of the argument, and factoring it into the equation, it tends to be those on the anti-homosexual side of the fence who are more inclined to...well, it varies from lack of understanding, through unkindness and unpleasantness, up to what seems to - very occasionally - veer into sheer hostility and hatred, or at least something that comes across as such.

I suspect that part of the problem is that for those on the anti-homosexual side of the debate, it's very much an "us and them" scenario, whereas most of those on the pro-homosexual side are both Christian and homosexual - or bisexual, or occasionally heterosexual, but most importantly Christian, and therefore for them to post in a manner that's hateful towards Christians would be a bit...well, odd, IMO.

David.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear David Brider,

I know of no homosexuals who behave in a hatefilled way towards Christians

Ok. thanks for that.

I do, however, know of several Christians who behave (or at least post on these forums) in a hatefilled way towards homosexuals (including their brothers and sisters in Christ).

Ah you see I dont know anyone like that.

 

[Phinehas2]

Any chance we could get back to the issue rather than discussing the perceived hatefulness of people?

 

[Phinehas2]

Any chance we could get back to the issue rather than discussing the perceived hatefulness of people?

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear David Brider,
Sorry Ihad to come back to this while we are discussing the hatefulness of others.

I suspect that part of the problem is that for those on the anti-homosexual side

Sorry but I havent seen anyone who is anti-homosexual or anti heterosexual. I think thats your perception. I haven't seen anyone you have.
I have seen some like myself who are anti-same-sex sex but not anti-homosexual people, but some here are unable to distinguish a sex act from a person.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear David Brider,
Sorry Ihad to come back to this while we are discussing the hatefulness of others.

I suspect that part of the problem is that for those on the anti-homosexual side

Sorry but I havent seen anyone who is anti-homosexual or anti heterosexual. I think thats your perception. I haven't seen anyone you have.
I have seen some like myself who are anti-same-sex sex but not anti-homosexual people, but some here are unable to distinguish a sex act from a person.

 

[David Brider]

Dear David Brider,
Ok. thanks for that.
Ah you see I dont know anyone like that.

Which is odd, because you seem to interact with them quite frequently on these forums.

David.

 

[David Brider]

Any chance we could get back to the issue rather than discussing the perceived hatefulness of people?

Given that the OP is precisely about the perceived hatefulness of people, I wouldn't have said we'd drifted particularly far from the issue.

YMMV, of course.

David.

 

[David Brider]

Dear David Brider,
Sorry Ihad to come back to this while we are discussing the hatefulness of others.
Sorry but I havent seen anyone who is anti-homosexual or anti heterosexual. I think thats your perception. I haven't seen anyone you have.
I have seen some like myself who are anti-same-sex sex but not anti-homosexual people, but some here are unable to distinguish a sex act from a person.

Could I ask a favour of you, then? And this goes out to all who are posting from an anti-homosexual position.

You may genuinely not be anti-homosexual people, but given that sometimes that is how some of the posts round here come across, could you take a few moments in future, between finishing a post and pressing the "Submit" button, to ask yourself, if you were a homosexual man or woman reading what you're about to submit to the forum, would I honestly feel that it was written in a spirit of (ideally) Christian fellowship, or failing that love and compassion? Or would you feel that there were elements within the post that could, rightly or wrongly, be interpreted as coming from a position of hatred, unpleasantness and hostility.

And if you find yourself answering "yes" to the latter, just take the time to edit the post accordingly, or if that proves untenable, just don't post it at all.

Just an idea.

David.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear David Brider,

Could I ask a favour of you, then? And this goes out to all who are posting from an anti-homosexual position.

Not really as I don’t see anyone posting from a anti-homosexual position, only an anti-same-sex union position.

You may genuinely not be anti-homosexual people, but given that sometimes that is how some of the posts round here come across, could you take a few moments in future, between finishing a post and pressing the "Submit" button, to ask yourself, if you were a homosexual man or woman reading what you're about to submit to the forum, would I honestly feel that it was written in a spirit of (ideally) Christian fellowship, or failing that love and compassion? Or would you feel that there were elements within the post that could, rightly or wrongly, be interpreted as coming from a position of hatred, unpleasantness and hostility.

Ok as the position that I am not anti-homosexual people has been explained many times to the people who are continually calling me anti-homosexual the answer is can they think first please?

As to whether the post is written in the right spirit, yes definatley as it isnt he spirit that people are objecting to, it’s the Biblical texts.

 

[David Brider]

Dear David Brider,
Not really as I don’t see anyone posting from a anti-homosexual position, only an anti-same-sex union position.

Whatever you choose to call it, the fact remains that there are people on these forums who post anti-homosexual material. If you genuinely feel that doesn't apply to you, then fair enough. Personally, I disagree.

Ok as the position that I am not anti-homosexual people has been explained many times to the people who are continually calling me anti-homosexual the answer is can they think first please?

If you don't want people to think you're anti-homosexual, then don't post anti-homosexual material.

As to whether the post is written in the right spirit, yes definatley as it isnt he spirit that people are objecting to, it’s the Biblical texts.

No, it's the unpleasantness and hostility and hatefulness that people object to. I've never objected to a Biblical text in my life. Although I've no time for taking Biblical texts out of context, translating and interpreting them to justify prejudice, and making the Bible say things it doesn't. Is that what you're thinking of, maybe?

David.

 

[savedandhappy1]

I've not seen any - most of the posts from homosexuals or pro-homosexuals have tended to be rather civil, on the whole. Sure, there's been a bit of snappiness and irritability sometimes - with the conversations normally ending up on a repeating cycle within a few posts of any given thread starting, that's pretty understandable; but that tends to apply to all sides of the argument, and factoring it into the equation, it tends to be those on the anti-homosexual side of the fence who are more inclined to...well, it varies from lack of understanding, through unkindness and unpleasantness, up to what seems to - very occasionally - veer into sheer hostility and hatred, or at least something that comes across as such.

I suspect that part of the problem is that for those on the anti-homosexual side of the debate, it's very much an "us and them" scenario, whereas most of those on the pro-homosexual side are both Christian and homosexual - or bisexual, or occasionally heterosexual, but most importantly Christian, and therefore for them to post in a manner that's hateful towards Christians would be a bit...well, odd, IMO.

David.

Thank you for answer.