Time, times half time of Daniel = 3500 years! Millenium about to BEGIN!

[zeke37]

Well, Zeke, Gabriel was describing events that started in Daniel 11 and ended in Daniel 12 that are written in the Book of Truth, just as he said.

It ended with a resurrection of the just and unjust.

no it did not...it ended with what he said in Dan12:6-7
scattering of the holy people's power and the unsealing of Daniel's vision by the wise

So, from Scripture, when is that moment in time?

Rev 20:

5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Open your mind...the angel could be saying that the time, times, and half time refers to BOTH. A time, times and half time could be 3.5 years AND it could be 3500 years.

but he did not say that...from scripture

what he actually said is that the power of the holy people will be scattered and that the vision will be unsealed

that ends the 3.5 times. Period!

 

[HisdaughterJen]

no it did not...it ended with what he said in Dan12:6
scattering of the holy people's power and the unsealing of Daniel's vision by the wise





but he did not say that...from scripture

what he actually said is that the power of the holy people will be scattered and that the vision will be unsealed

that ends the 3.5 times. Period!

Daniel 12


1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
5Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
6And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? 7And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Obviously, the last thing the angel said was there will be a resurrection during which the unjust will be resurrected and judged.

 

[zeke37]

then Daniel looked.......begins a new thought....

now Daniel is given an answer to when that time will end...

and it is when the holy people's power is scattered and the vision is unsealed

 

[HisdaughterJen]

then Daniel looked.......begins a new thought....

now Daniel is given an answer to when that time will end...

and it is when the holy people's power is scattered and the vision is unsealed

no, that was part of the answer, not the end of the story!

 

[zeke37]

ummmm.

6And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

ummmm.

6And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Yeah, that's part of the ANSWER, Zeke! The end of the story was before the question was asked!

 

[zeke37]

those are the conditions, not Daniel's rising or the unjust's rising

 

[HisdaughterJen]

those are the conditions, not Daniel's rising or the unjust's rising

Anyone can read Daniel 11 and 12 and decide what the end of the angel's story was before the question was asked. Anyone can read it and see which is the angel's answer and which is the end of the story.

Regardless of this rediculous argument, the fact remains that Gabriel described a resurrection and judgment of the just and the unjust. THAT happens at the end of the millenium.

 

[zeke37]

correct, any one can read and decide...

the timeframe of the 3 1/2 times
ends after what he said would happen, happens

...which is

to scatter the power of ther holy people,
and for the wise to understand the closed/sealed vision





Daniel's raising is NOT included in that 3.5 times...seriously...

 

[HisdaughterJen]

correct, any one can read and decide...

the timeframe of the 3 1/2 times
ends after what he said would happen, happens

...which is

to scatter the power of ther holy people,
and for the wise to understand the closed/sealed vision





Daniel's raising is NOT included in that 3.5 times...seriously...

YEs, it was. From the beginning of the story, after Darius the Mede to the end of the story, the rising of the just/unjust, is indeed a time, times, and half a time.