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Time is an illusion

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So there is this theory/concept that time is an illusion .... have been reading about it a bit. (you can google it)

so... am curious .... IF true how does that impact your current beliefs in regard to formation of the universe (regardless what that is)?

I'm not saying true or false .... I'm putting forward IF true.

What are your thoughts about it?
 
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So there is this theory/concept that time is an illusion .... have been reading about it a bit. (you can google it)

so... am curious .... IF true how does that impact your current beliefs in regard to formation of the universe (regardless what that is)?

I'm not saying true or false .... I'm putting forward IF true.

What are your thoughts about it?
I guess it depends precisely what is meant by time being an illusion. Usually this kind of statement is suggesting that something is not as we perceive it to be, so in the case of time, that can mean a number of things.

For example, it may mean that the 'arrow of time' is an illusion, or that our sense of time passing is an illusion, etc.

I rather like the idea of the 4D 'Parminidean' deterministic block universe, where time and the spatial directions are orthogonal axes, and past and present are equally real. That suggests that the universe 'just is', perhaps with no beginning and no end, and what we perceive as the big bang is an event on its time axis beyond which we cannot (currently) probe.

I don't know whether it even makes sense to ask whether this is valid, right, or wrong; it's just a model, but it suggests that our perception of time passing is an artefact of being part of this 4D block, i.e. our worldlines stretch along the time axis and wiggle around on the spatial axes.
 
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Time is essentially one event following another. It is one of those things that is self-existent. The difference between us here in the world is that we measure time according to the rotation of the earth, and the earth around the sun, hence we have years, months, weeks, days, hours, minutes and seconds. The reason we measure time is that our life spans are limited. In eternity, it seems timeless, because time is not measured there. It is called "eternity" because there is no beginning nor end to the series of events. If we lived forever in eternity, we wouldn't have to worry about measuring time because we wouldn't be conscious of having a limited amount of time available to us. We would have plenty of time to do everything we want to do, whereas in our present existence, we are under pressure to do everything we want, and have to make choices about whether we can achieve something or not before our time has run out.

Also, time on earth is relative. The lifespan of a butterfly is usually measured in days, so the activities it does is severely limited to just being able to mate and perpetuate the species, while the lifespan of a tortoise is measured in hundreds of years, so it appears not to be in a hurry to do anything.

Therefore, our consciousness of time exists only because we measure it, in terms of recording past history and deciding how much time we have left to accomplish what we want to do in life before we get too old and die.
 
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...I rather like the idea of the 4D 'Parminidean' deterministic block universe, where time and the spatial directions are orthogonal axes, and past and present are equally real.....
Sounds rather deterministic.
 
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By illusion I'll assume that you mean, 'not real'. If time isn't real, then Gen 1 would need an interpretation which is not given to linearism. Other than that, I can't see it affecting my world-view any. It doesn't affect my understanding of God, the Incarnation, my salvation, ect.
I think that it might affect hard core evolutionists more. Not that Christians can't believe in evolution (that's not for me to say), but I have never met a Christian evolutionist who insisted on it's absolute necessity.

So there is this theory/concept that time is an illusion .... have been reading about it a bit. (you can google it)

so... am curious .... IF true how does that impact your current beliefs in regard to formation of the universe (regardless what that is)?

I'm not saying true or false .... I'm putting forward IF true.

What are your thoughts about it?
 
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I thought eternity is called eternity because it is God's life and we participate in it?
Time is essentially one event following another. It is one of those things that is self-existent. The difference between us here in the world is that we measure time according to the rotation of the earth, and the earth around the sun, hence we have years, months, weeks, days, hours, minutes and seconds. The reason we measure time is that our life spans are limited. In eternity, it seems timeless, because time is not measured there. It is called "eternity" because there is no beginning nor end to the series of events. If we lived forever in eternity, we wouldn't have to worry about measuring time because we wouldn't be conscious of having a limited amount of time available to us. We would have plenty of time to do everything we want to do, whereas in our present existence, we are under pressure to do everything we want, and have to make choices about whether we can achieve something or not before our time has run out.

Also, time on earth is relative. The lifespan of a butterfly is usually measured in days, so the activities it does is severely limited to just being able to mate and perpetuate the species, while the lifespan of a tortoise is measured in hundreds of years, so it appears not to be in a hurry to do anything.

Therefore, our consciousness of time exists only because we measure it, in terms of recording past history and deciding how much time we have left to accomplish what we want to do in life before we get too old and die.
 
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"Time is an illusion" is somewhat ambiguous.

You're basically stuck with presentism vs eternalism, neither of which has been disproven but presentism is at least falsifiable since the discovery of something like a wormhole would show it to be false.

In presentism, the ticking of a clock is very real. In eternalism, it's kind of, sort of illusory since everything that ever happened or will happen exists now in some eternal changeless sense.

In other words, if eternalism is true, the big bang or the creation event is still existent, now. Everything may as well be a singular, changeless entity, whatever that is.

On the other hand some of a more sci-fi oriented belief that time travel is possible might say that if time isn't a traversible dimension, it is illusory. All of this brings to the forefront the question: you mean by "time?"
 
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Not to spark the Sabbath debate here (so please don't whoever is reading this because I am making a point about time), but for those of us who believe in Sunday worship, isn't this proof that the eternity of God is now in some way an experiential part of our existence?
 
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Wait...we've discovered wormholes?!:flushed:

"Time is an illusion" is somewhat ambiguous.

You're basically stuck with presentism vs eternalism, neither of which has been disproven but presentism is at least falsifiable since the discovery of something like a wormhole would show it to be false.

In presentism, the ticking of a clock is very real. In eternalism, it's kind of, sort of illusory since everything that ever happened or will happen exists now in some eternal changeless sense.

In other words, if eternalism is true, the big bang or the creation event is still existent, now. Everything may as well be a singular, changeless entity, whatever that is.
 
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Nothing that has proven our favorite sci-fi mini dramas, unfortunately.
That's sad. I've always pictured the ladder of heaven as working like a wormhole. Perhaps because of the tunnel images associated with NDE
 
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Not to spark the Sabbath debate here (so please don't whoever is reading this because I am making a point about time), but for those of us who believe in Sunday worship, isn't this proof that the eternity of God is now in some way an experiential part of our existence?

isn't this proof that the eternity of God is now in some way an experiential part of our existence?

Doesn't this happen every day? .... experiential part of our existence. We accept God is eternal and have an experience with Him every day.

Maybe I'm not understanding ????
 
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Doesn't this happen every day? .... experiential part of our existence. We accept God is eternal and have an experience with Him every day.

Maybe I'm not understanding ????
Yes. That's why Sunday is not a new '7th day Sabbath'.
 
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