Time frames that end on the day that Jesus Returns

[Douggg]

Thanks Douggg, however the point I`m trying to make is that the A/C will rule `before` the mid-point. And then it is from there that we can measure 1,260, 1,290 & 1,335 days.

Yes, the Antichrist will be functioning as the thought-to-be King of Israel messiah by the Jews for most of the first half.

The 1260 day mid-point is simply the 7 years (2520 days) divided by 2. 2520/2 = 1260.

Regarding what day the abomination of desolation statue image will be setup to begin the great tribulation - we have to consider how long, and also what will end that period.

The great tribulation ends the day that Jesus returns. Jesus returns on the last day of the 7 years - i.e. day 2520.

So subtracting 1335 days from day 2520, we find out that the abomination of desolation is setup on day 1185 of the timeline.

 

[Marilyn C]

Yes, the Antichrist will be functioning as the thought-to-be King of Israel messiah by the Jews for most of the first half.

The 1260 day mid-point is simply the 7 years (2520 days) divided by 2. 2520/2 = 1260.

Regarding what day the abomination of desolation statue image will be setup to begin the great tribulation - we have to consider how long, and also what will end that period.

The great tribulation ends the day that Jesus returns. Jesus returns on the last day of the 7 years - i.e. day 2520.

So subtracting 1335 days from day 2520, we find out that the abomination of desolation is setup on day 1185 of the timeline.

I think we need to get where the A/C will start to rule. The midpoint of the 70th week is when he breaks the covenant. Thus, he would have been ruling before that. That means he rules before the midpoint. And then that takes us to 1,260 days when the Lord comes and judges the A/C and his world army. And that is before the end of the 70th week.

I................................................................A/C......X.........................................................Jesus.............70th week
................................................................ 1,260 days......................................................................... 1,290 days
.............................................................................. X is midpoint

 

[Douggg]

@Marilyn C

You might notice on the table of the time frames we have been given to work with - that I don't show the 45 days between the 1290 days and 1335 days of Daniel !2:11-12.

The reason is that the 45 days is a calculated number, and is not actually stated in the text of the bible.

If I were to show the 45 days, it would be tacked on to the end of the 1290 days. But that would be cheating, because the 45 days is not a time frame actually stated in the bible.

 

[Douggg]

I think we need to get where the A/C will start to rule. The midpoint of the 70th week is when he breaks the covenant.

This is where we disagree.

The kjv of Daniel 9:27 says in the midst of the week, not midpoint.

In Daniel 12:11-12 there is no reference to the abomination of desolation being setup at the midpoint of the 7 years.

The only tie we have is that them who wait and come to the 1335 day will be blessed.

Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

 

[Marilyn C]

This is where we disagree.

The kjv of Daniel 9:27 says in the midst of the week, not midpoint.

In Daniel 12:11-12 there is no reference to the abomination of desolation being setup at the midpoint of the 7 years.

The only tie we have is that them who wait and come to the 1335 day will be blessed.

Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Ok, I was thinking as I rested this afternoon, on this topic. So, you see everything finishing when the Lord returns at the 1,260 day mark. Hope I don`t misinterpret you. Now, I don`t see how everything comes to an end when the Lord returns. Here`s what I mean -

1. Lord`s return in the evening. (Zech. 14: 5 - 7)
2. Destroys the world armies. (Zech. 14: 12)
3. Judges the nations. (Matt. 25: 31 & 32)
4. Reveals Himself to the Jews in Jerusalem. (Zech. 12: 7 - 10)
5. Great mourning. (Zech. 12: 11 - 14)
6. Cleansing of the temple. (Da. 8: 13 & 14)
7. The Lord appointing a king and priests. (Ez. 37: 24, Isa. 66: 21)
8. People of the nations bringing Jews to Israel. (Isa. 66: 20)
9. National Celebrations - Adar 15. (Esther 9: 18)

 

[Douggg]

Ok, I was thinking as I rested this afternoon, on this topic. So, you see everything finishing when the Lord returns at the 1,260 day mark. Hope I don`t misinterpret you.

I see everything finished on the day Jesus returns - day 2520 - the last day of the seven years.

 

[keras]

The kjv of Daniel 9:27 says in the midst of the week, not midpoint.

The scriptural precedent for an approximate time is Revelation 8:1, the Seventh Seal which is;.... about a half hour in heaven.

In the midst is the same as the mid point, proved by Daniel 9:27a....with one half spent....[of the 7 year treaty.]
This means what it says; there is no room to add or subtract anything.

Only those with weird and wonderful theories of adding days before the AoD happens, have the need to do that.

 

[Marilyn C]

@Marilyn C

You might notice on the table of the time frames we have been given to work with - that I don't show the 45 days between the 1290 days and 1335 days of Daniel !2:11-12.

The reason is that the 45 days is a calculated number, and is not actually stated in the text of the bible.

If I were to show the 45 days, it would be tacked on to the end of the 1290 days. But that would be cheating, because the 45 days is not a time frame actually stated in the bible.


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Now douggg,

Let`s look at the 2,300 days and the time left, which would be 6 months. That is not time enough for Israel to cleanse the land and then start their sacrifices. Israel will not begin sacrifing till the land is cleansed.

 

[Douggg]

Now douggg,

Let`s look at the 2,300 days and the time left, which would be 6 months. That is not time enough for Israel to cleanse the land and then start their sacrifices. Israel will not begin sacrifing till the land is cleansed.

7 months, Ezekiel 39:12, from the beginning of the seven years - would be 210 days into the 2520 day 7 years.

The 7 months would not be enough time to construct a full scale temple the size of the second temple. So what I think will happen is that the Jews will put together a temporary temple of at least the same dimensions as the tent tabernacle in the Exodus from Egypt - which was about 15 feet x 30 feet.

Revelation 11:1 seems to hint at a downsized temple inner court. We are not actually told the results of John's measuring.

Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

That temporary temple could be quickly erected, while the Jews are cleansing the land. Then at the end of the 7 months (210 days), there would still be 2310 days left - so the 2300 days prophecy could begin with the animal sacrifices, and the 2300 day prophecy later end when Jesus returns.

 

[Marilyn C]

7 months, Ezekiel 39:12, from the beginning of the seven years - would be 210 days into the 2520 day 7 years.

The 7 months would not be enough time to construct a full scale temple the size of the second temple. So what I think will happen is that the Jews will put together a temporary temple of at least the same dimensions as the tent tabernacle in the Exodus from Egypt - which was about 15 feet x 30 feet.

Revelation 11:1 seems to hint at a downsized temple inner court. We are not actually told the results of John's measuring.

Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

That temporary temple could be quickly erected, while the Jews are cleansing the land. Then at the end of the 7 months (210 days), there would still be 2310 days left - so the 2300 days prophecy could begin with the animal sacrifices, and the 2300 day prophecy later end when Jesus returns.


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Hi Douggg,

If you look at your diagram the two times do not match. You have the 7 months extended further than the 2,300 days. Glad you did the diagram above to make it right. I see, as you do, that Israel will cleanse the land for 7 months. The 10 days would be to make sure that there are no more bones around. Then they will do their sacrifices.

Israel does not have to build a temple, (I believe the Temple in Jerusalem where they worship now will be used) for their sacrifices. You see they believe the wailing wall is part of the sacred site and is still sacred so they will use that.

Reinstituting the Temple service does not require a Temple Structure. The Rambam (Hilchot Beit Habechira 6:15) wrote:

Therefore, all of the sacrifices may be brought even though the Temple has not been built. The Holiest sacrifices may be eaten throughout the courtyard, even though it is destroyed and there are no walls surrounding it. And sacrifices of lesser holiness and Second Tithe may be eaten in all of Jerusalem, even though there are no walls, because the initial holiness is eternal holiness.

 

[Douggg]

If you look at your diagram the two times do not match. You have the 7 months extended further than the 2,300 days. Glad you did the diagram above to make it right. I see, as you do, that Israel will cleanse the land for 7 months. The 10 days would be to make sure that there are no more bones around. Then they will do their sacrifices.

Hi Marilyn, I think you're talking about the time frames diagram, right ? I get your point. I did not make the 7 months to scale, but the shaded area was sized to get the "Ezekiel 39:12" text inside of the shaded area like all the other time frames.

My overall main objective was to show...

1. what time-frames ended the day Jesus returns.
2.. what time-frames begin when the 7 years begin
3. and what time frames are not attached to either end.

So, in response to your comment, what I did was take the diagram and reduced the size of the 7 months shaded area. And placed the Ezekiel 39:12 text out side of the shaded area. And put the other time-frame shaded areas somewhat to scale. Does this meet your approval?

btw, the small text beside each time frame, like "gentiles trample Jerusalem", I did as a quick summary, so that the reader would quickly know what each of the bible verses were generally about - without having to look them up.

Personally, I am pleased with the way the diagram turned out. I think God was guiding me throughout the process.

 

[Douggg]

What happens in the gap between the end of the 1290 days Daniel 12:11 and the day that Jesus returns - is that the sign of the Son of Man appears in heaven, and for 45 days the kings of the earth gather their armies at Armageddon to make war on Jesus.

 

[Marilyn C]

Hi Marilyn, I think you're talking about the time frames diagram, right ? I get your point. I did not make the 7 months to scale, but the shaded area was sized to get the "Ezekiel 39:12" text inside of the shaded area like all the other time frames.

My overall main objective was to show...

1. what time-frames ended the day Jesus returns.
2.. what time-frames begin when the 7 years begin
3. and what time frames are not attached to either end.

So, in response to your comment, what I did was take the diagram and reduced the size of the 7 months shaded area. And placed the Ezekiel 39:12 text out side of the shaded area. And put the other time-frame shaded areas somewhat to scale. Does this meet your approval?

btw, the small text beside each time frame, like "gentiles trample Jerusalem", I did as a quick summary, so that the reader would quickly know what each of the bible verses were generally about - without having to look them up.

Personally, I am pleased with the way the diagram turned out. I think God was guiding me throughout the process.

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Good work there bro. about the 7 months and the 2,300 days = 70 week.

 

[Marilyn C]

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What happens in the gap between the end of the 1290 days Daniel 12:11 and the day that Jesus returns - is that the sign of the Son of Man appears in heaven, and for 45 days the kings of the earth gather their armies at Armageddon to make war on Jesus.

You must have read my mind for I was going to ask you about the 1,290 days. You see from Dan. 12: 11 & 9: 27 it seems that the A/D is in the midst of the week. You have it too far before that.

 

[Douggg]

You must have read my mind for I was going to ask you about the 1,290 days. You see from Dan. 12: 11 & 9: 27 it seems that the A/D is in the midst of the week. You have it too far before that.

"midst" of the week is actually undefined range as far as what day begins the midst of the week and what day ends the midst of the week.

The 7 years is 84 months long. A 10% range for midst of the week would be a little over 8 months long. 8 months, of which 4 months before the exact middle, and 4 months after the exact middle - would still be broad enough to put the AoD setup on Day 1185 in the midst of the week range.

 

[Douggg]

You must have read my mind for I was going to ask you about the 1,290 days. You see from Dan. 12: 11 & 9: 27 it seems that the A/D is in the midst of the week. You have it too far before that.

What I did also was to modify the abomination of desolation tan bars to be slightly closer to the end of the 1260 days bars on the diagram.

 

[Marilyn C]

"midst" of the week is actually undefined range as far as what day begins the midst of the week and what day ends the midst of the week.

The 7 years is 84 months long. A 10% range for midst of the week would be a little over 8 months long. 8 months, of which 4 months before the exact middle, and 4 months after the exact middle - would still be broad enough to put the AoD setup on Day 1185 in the midst of the week range.


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Hi Douggg,

`Midst` in Heb. is ` chetsiy,` meaning - the half, or middle, the two parts from `chatseb, meaning - to cut in two.

So, I think 4 months either side is too long. I believe it is only a month prior to the center. Can you try that for me please?

 

[Douggg]

Hi Douggg,

`Midst` in Heb. is ` chetsiy,` meaning - the half, or middle, the two parts from `chatseb, meaning - to cut in two.

So, I think 4 months either side is too long. I believe it is only a month prior to the center. Can you try that for me please?

okay, here is 30 days each side of the exact mid point. If instead of 30 days, it were 75 days, then it would line up with day 1185. Here are both diagrams.

 

[Marilyn C]

okay, here is 30 days each side of the exact mid point. If instead of 30 days, it were 75 days, then it would line up with day 1185. Here are both diagrams.


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Hi Douggg,

Remember you said that 45 days wasn`t in God`s word, well it seems you are introducing 1185 days number.

Thanks for putting in the month before the center. However, you didn`t write 1,290 days. Can we just focus on that for now before the other numbers, (1,335 etc) as I see God is leading us to agreement.

 

[Douggg]

Hi Douggg,

Remember you said that 45 days wasn`t in God`s word, well it seems you are introducing 1185 days number.

Thanks for putting in the month before the center. However, you didn`t write 1,290 days. Can we just focus on that for now before the other numbers, (1,335 etc) as I see God is leading us to agreement.

Hi Marilyn, the 1185 day is a day on a timeline. It is not a time-frame. The 1335 days is the time-frame.

I realize that your objective in presenting the 30 day as right before the midpoint was to fit the 1290 days as completed the day that Jesus returns.

But if you to put the 1290 days as ending of the day of Jesus, that would result in the 1335 days extending 15 days past Jesus's return. Such that the 1335 day time frame would be the only time frame that extends beyond the 7 year 70th week.

It can be only speculated what calendar day of the year that the 7 year 70th week begins. So there is now way to project that the 1335 days are completed on some special Jewish holiday - such as Hanukah - beyond the end of the 7 year 70th week. If that is where you are headed.

The day that Jesus returns is the important prophesied event in the bible. If you go with what I say, that the 1290 days ends with the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, that leaves 45 days for the kings of the earth to gather their armies as Armageddon to prepare to make wan of Jesus. Which then in Revelation 19:21, Jesus destroys those armies the day He returns.