Time For This Challenge Again

[Greg Merrill]

Would this explain the fact that approximately 50% of pregnancies end in spontaneous abortions, then?

Some souls would prefer that they were spontaneously aborted rather than come full term, and then grow up to be a heathen, or an atheist, and end up in a Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:15) for eternity. God's ways are higher than our ways, Isaiah 55:8-11.

 

[HitchSlap]

Automobiles are 'wonderfully' made too, but you can't put sand in the gas tank and expect them to run.

Fifty percent of the time.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Fifty percent of the time.

Fifty percent seems high for SA. Source?

 

[HitchSlap]

Some souls would prefer that they were spontaneously aborted rather than come full term, and then grow up to be a heathen, or an atheist, and end up in a Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:15) for eternity. God's ways are higher than our ways, Isaiah 55:8-11.

I really tried to understand what you're trying to say here, but I just can't. So, I'll just say, 'god works in mysterious ways.'

 

[HitchSlap]

Fifty percent seems high for SA. Source?

Sources vary, as it's tough to determine how many go undetected.

Miscarriage: Signs, Symptoms, Treatment and Prevention

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I really tried to understand what you're trying to say here, but I just can't. So, I'll just say, 'god works in mysterious ways.'

It's simple really. When would-be mothers have so abused themselves with cigarettes, drugs, and alcohol God often allows their accidental, unintended and unwanted pregnancy to end as a natural result of the damage they have done to themselves. God spares that potential life from a life of misery.

 

[Greg Merrill]

I really tried to understand what you're trying to say here, but I just can't. So, I'll just say, 'god works in mysterious ways.'

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:14.
Maybe this will help. The Bible teaches that babies go to be eternally with God when they die as babies. They do not go to Limbo (Non-Biblical Catholic invention), or to Purgatory (Non-Biblical Catholic invention). It would be better to die as a baby and go to be with God, than to grow to be a heathen or atheist, die like that and be eternally separated from God. I hope that helps you understand what I meant. Wishing you God's best.

 

[bhsmte]

Automobiles are 'wonderfully' made too, but you can't put sand in the gas tank and expect them to run.

Not sure what this means?

Are you claiming naturally aborted pregnancies, are caused by a mother's diet?

 

[bhsmte]

It's simple really. When would-be mothers have so abused themselves with cigarettes, drugs, and alcohol God often allows their accidental, unintended and unwanted pregnancy to end as a natural result of the damage they have done to themselves. God spares that potential life from a life of misery.

LOL. If you think the above are the main reasons for naturally aborted pregnancies, you are fooling yourself.

 

[Greg Merrill]

"Saved by science" I would not like to go into surgery with that as MY motto.
Of course true science is "true knowledge" created by God; but what most refer to as science is what man studies and often misinterprets, miscalculates, misevaluates, and often says they don't have the answer, or don't know this, that, or the other. I am saved by the God that never makes a mistake, knows everything, is all powerful, always available being ever present, and Who loves me. I have no problem going into surgery with faith in Him.

 

[bhsmte]

"Saved by science" I would not like to go into surgery with that as MY motto.
Of course true science is "true knowledge" created by God; but what most refer to as science is what man studies and often misinterprets, miscalculates, misevaluates, and often says they don't have the answer, or don't know this, that, or the other. I am saved by the God that never makes a mistake, knows everything, is all powerful, always available being ever present, and Who loves me. I have no problem going into surgery with faith in Him.

Tell us then, what method do you use, to test "true science", from "false science"?

 

[HitchSlap]

It's simple really. When would-be mothers have so abused themselves with cigarettes, drugs, and alcohol God often allows their accidental, unintended and unwanted pregnancy to end as a natural result of the damage they have done to themselves. God spares that potential life from a life of misery.

Ah, I get it. Of course. God cares about the unborn babies who might otherwise be born into a rough existence, but never mind the 3,100,000 kids who die from hunger each year. Screw those kids.

Got it.

 

[Greg Merrill]

Tell us then, what method do you use, to test "true science", from "false science"?

That is easy, That which agrees with the Word of the God (that created all things truly scientific) is true science. That which contradicts the true word of God, is neither accurate or true science, but a counterfeit, false science. "...avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science (knowledge) falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith (the true way of living in the reality of this world). Grace be with thee. Amen." 1 Timothy 6:20-21.

 

[HitchSlap]

"Saved by science" I would not like to go into surgery with that as MY motto.
Of course true science is "true knowledge" created by God; but what most refer to as science is what man studies and often misinterprets, miscalculates, misevaluates, and often says they don't have the answer, or don't know this, that, or the other. I am saved by the God that never makes a mistake, knows everything, is all powerful, always available being ever present, and Who loves me. I have no problem going into surgery with faith in Him.

I totally agree with you, creationists misinterpret and make mistakes with science all the time. Unfortunately, the average Christian doesn't know enough to know just how wrong they are.

Tell you what, if I ever need to have my appendix removed, I'll take the atheist surgeon any day of the week. You can take the travelin' faith healin' tent preachin' dude all you want.

 

[Greg Merrill]

Ah, I get it. Of course. God cares about the unborn babies who might otherwise be born into a rough existence, but never mind the 3,100,000 kids who die from hunger each year. Screw those kids.

Got it.

I understand your response, and it is reasonable, though not correct. God doesn't have to care about anybody, but He does. HitchSlap, I believe was giving a "general" answer, not an all-inclusive answer. God doesn't allow ALL unborn babies to become aborted. God doesn't save every human from all the disobedient, ungodly behavior they do. Sin has it's consequences. It is not that God is so bad to not allow people/mankind to suffer for their own rebellion, but that He is so good to graciously spare any at all. God is not ultimately responsible for any hunger or anything else that harms mankind, but mankind has chosen to rebel against God and brings natural and supernatural harm upon themselves, and their children. God has a remedy for each individual that will trust in Him.

 

[HitchSlap]

I understand your response, and it is reasonable, though not correct. God doesn't have to care about anybody, but He does. HitchSlap, I believe was giving a "general" answer, not an all-inclusive answer. God doesn't allow ALL unborn babies to become aborted. God doesn't save every human from all the disobedient, ungodly behavior they do. Sin has it's consequences. It is not that God is so bad to not allow people/mankind to suffer for their own rebellion, but that He is so good to graciously spare any at all. God is not ultimately responsible for any hunger or anything else that harms mankind, but mankind has chosen to rebel against God and brings natural and supernatural harm upon themselves, and their children. God has a remedy for each individual that will trust in Him.

Poppycock. The creator is responsible for his creation. Your answer seems naive to me, as one from a new Christian, who hasn't wrestled with the problem of theodicy.

 

[Greg Merrill]

I totally agree with you, creationists misinterpret and make mistakes with science all the time. Unfortunately, the average Christian doesn't know enough to know just how wrong they are.

Tell you what, if I ever need to have my appendix removed, I'll take the atheist surgeon any day of the week. You can take the travelin' faith healin' tent preachin' dude all you want.

You have me wrong. I will take the atheist surgeon, and totally reject the "faith healin' tent preachin' dude" as well. I TOTALLY agree with you there. But you probably don't understand that statement. If that was all I said, You might think I don't have faith, and would trust in the atheist after all. NO WAY. I would still trust in God to use the atheist, in spite of the atheist's beliefs. Regarding the other "dude", it isn't an either or proposition, atheist or this dude. As you know, not all people in religious garb or that call themselves "Christians" are right in their thinking, or trustworthy. Not all Christians, and I would say the MOST trusted Christian, are not in the same camp with the "faith healing" dude. It isn't "either or", for there is another option.

 

[HitchSlap]

You have me wrong. I will take the atheist surgeon, and totally reject the "faith healin' tent preachin' dude" as well. I TOTALLY agree with you there. But you probably don't understand that statement. If that was all I said, You might think I don't have faith, and would trust in the atheist after all. NO WAY. I would still trust in God to use the atheist, in spite of the atheist's beliefs. Regarding the other "dude", it isn't an either or proposition, atheist or this dude. As you know, not all people in religious garb or that call themselves "Christians" are right in their thinking, or trustworthy. Not all Christians, and I would say the MOST trusted Christian, are not in the same camp with the "faith healing" dude. It isn't "either or", for there is another option.

There is only one option in this scenario; the medically trained professional who has experience with appendectomies. That's it. Any particular religious notion that comes along with that surgeon is irrelevant. Belief in god/s, or lack thereof, have nothing to do with a surgeon's qualifications.

 

[Greg Merrill]

Poppycock. The creator is responsible for his creation. Your answer seems naive to me, as one from a new Christian, who hasn't wrestled with the problem of theodicy.

New Christian? I guess so, if you call being a Christian for almost 60 years, studying the Bible almost daily for decades, having read it entirely through each years for years, having memorized parts of over 1,800 verses, and having pastored a church for 16 years....new. Therefore, I guess with all your study of the Bible, you know more about it and God than I do. Oh well.

 

[Greg Merrill]

There is only one option in this scenario; the medically trained professional who has experience with appendectomies. That's it. Any particular religious notion that comes along with that surgeon is irrelevant. Belief in god/s, or lack thereof, have nothing to do with a surgeon's qualifications.

You must be totally unfamiliar with all the secular and religious doctors that have attributed some surgical successes to God and answered prayers.