Time for Islam to defend yourself?

BigChrisfilm · Apr 15, 2006

yaqovzadeek said:
"Craig winn you ignorant & lier authour...how dare you write that false book???
you will regret for all what u said about Islam & the last messenger of god the master of the mankind...
***So you have to choose one from two options:
1)To take your book (Prophet of Doom : Islam's Terrorist Dogma in Muhammad's Own Words) out of circulation & to close your website & to apologize officialy for the prophet Muhammad peace upon him & for islam..
2)Or you will be killed suddenly & in an unexpected way (we know where do you live)
***Imprtant Notice: *This is a SERIOUS message proceeded from THE JEALOUS MUSLIM GROUP. *You have only 6 days(from 4.jan to 10.jan 2005) to choose the first option or we will consider you chosen the second option & then you just have to get ready for a kill at every moment...
*If you choose the first option you must send us an email to inform us about the details of stopping the book & your apologize.
*You may send us any email during the 6 days.
**THE JEALOUS MUSLIM GROUP**"

BigChrisfilm said:
A guy that wrote a website Prophet of Doom, has posted severial e-mail he has recieved from Muslims, care to explain yourselves?

Against what? against who Craig winn the Joker?[/color][/color][/size]

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Did you not read my previous post in another thread about how my friend annilated him live on national radio?Craig winn is a liar,he has not even read the quran he admitted to my friend Jalal on Live national radio that he did not read the Quran.So he wrote a bok full of fiction about the prophet of Islam and did not even read the Quran.What a clown and he expects people to beleive him.Jalal Abu Arrub asked him to quote one verse from the Quran and he was unable to do so. here is the link to the debate listen for yourself:

http://www.invitation2truth.com/mp3/debate-myth-prophet-of-doom.mp3

Peace
Yaqovzadeek
aka james the James the just

Hey, just listened to the debate, and I must say, that Craig didn't not get slamed, infact, I believe he won that debate, and did quote the Qur'an verse that was requested of him, after he had time to look it up, you have to understand, it is probly hard for a no muslim to quote from the Qur'an without enuff time to find the verse, as much as it would be for you to quote the bible.

BigChrisfilm · Apr 15, 2006

PaladinValer said:
BigChrisFilm, are you serious? Read the title of your thread. You asked them to defend themselves and that has been the tone of your posts throughout this thread.

You cannot renig now.

Ok, you muslims are about to see the best side of christianity, so I want you ALL to see it, k. Humility. I see only ONE problem with my OP. It happens at the end of my statement, before I posted the e-mail, I stated, care to defend yourselves, which implied that you needed to. I am sorry, I will not delelte it, because I want everyone to have the chance to see it, and note that I have publicly apologized to you, but I hope you also understand, that in my title, I was only asking a questions, and that was, Is it time for Islam to defend its self? Which is why I added the question mark, so there it is, my apology, and I hope it is excepted.

BigChrisfilm · Apr 15, 2006

LittleLambofJesus said:
I much prefer to "battle" the muslims with the "sword of the Word", the Holy Bible Scriptures.

Reve 19:13 He [was] clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations.

And you do a wonderfull job of it as well, thanks for your contrabutions, I wish that one day I could know the bible well enuff to answer every question with a verse, you are very wise.

BigChrisfilm · Apr 15, 2006

In the interest of fairness, I will give you a quote from the same website that Craig posted, that isn't as vulgar, I didn't read the whole thing, but it seems to show that not all muslims think the same way the origanl two did in my OP.

I am a Muslim, new to United States. Everyone has right to opinion and view as it suits. (SWA)I know things are not quite simple.I read the online version of "Letter to the Reader" and "Prologue" of Mr. Craig Winn's book, which was sufficient to understand his point of view.My question is, who are those Christians historians, who produced the documentary, which I could see on PBS TV channel - "Islam - Empire of Faith?” Which Islam and Muhammad (Peace Be upon Him) are they talking about? Did these Christian scholars in the documentary mislead us?Readers of Mr. Craig Winn's book "Prophet of Doom" may also read (or order to see the DVD) documentary produced by PBS at this URL: http://www.pbs.org/empires/islam/I would humbly request the owner of the site to publish my e-mail on your web feedback in Muslim and non-Muslim Forum.Just one submission: The phenomenon of Islam and Prophet Mohammad is just the continuation of the same message, which was revealed onto Abraham, Moses, and Jesus.... (Peace be upon All of Them).God (Allah, in Arabic) has been providing us with fresh editions each time with His Prophets.Like in our classrooms, teacher announces, we have the new edition of the book, so old editions may not be applicable this semester onwards.I do not know if I am making sense. Just one more thing, "God" is not "god", though you may not agree with Him.
Thank you

seed757 · Apr 15, 2006

BigChrisfilm said:
And you do a wonderfull job of it as well, thanks for your contrabutions, I wish that one day I could know the bible well enuff to answer every question with a verse, you are very wise.

That's odd. Many people that have commented on LLofJ's posts say that he is quite confusing. Hmm?

BigChrisfilm · Apr 15, 2006

To you it may be confussing, to me, it is a wonderfull thing.

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 15, 2006

I much prefer to "battle" the muslims with the "sword of the Word", the Holy Bible Scriptures.

Reve 19:13 He [was] clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations.

And you do a wonderfull job of it as well, thanks for your contrabutions, I wish that one day I could know the bible well enuff to answer every question with a verse, you are very wise.

seed757 said:
That's odd. Many people that have commented on LLofJ's posts say that he is quite confusing. Hmm?

Only to jews, atheists and muslims since I don't quote from the Talmud or Koran.

John 5:39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.

Daniel_Oak · Apr 15, 2006

The purpose of my post was not to demand that you defend yourselves, but rather, ask the question, should you have to defend yourselves, hence why there is a question mark.

Ok, you muslims are about to see the best side of christianity, so I want you ALL to see it, k. Humility. I see only ONE problem with my OP. It happens at the end of my statement, before I posted the e-mail, I stated, care to defend yourselves, which implied that you needed to. I am sorry, I will not delelte it, because I want everyone to have the chance to see it, and note that I have publicly apologized to you, but I hope you also understand, that in my title, I was only asking a questions, and that was, Is it time for Islam to defend its self? Which is why I added the question mark, so there it is, my apology, and I hope it is excepted.

I see where you are coming from and I commend you for your apology. Though -as I'm sure you realised by the reactions recieved here- you certainly need to refine your posts and make them more clear. Perhaps stating your intentions for why you are asking a certain question might help in the future.

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 15, 2006

Btw. I am curious on something else. The muslims claim to say our NT is corrupted so they do not read. Why then did they use our NT Scriptures to say muhammad was the parakletos Jesus spoke of

http://www.christianforums.com/t2890869-the-parakletos-of-john-16-part-2.html

u must for forgive us. We give u too much credit sometimes. sometimes the obvious is not so obvious. Let me explain for u.
The concept of "Holy Spirit" is unequivocally negated by the following verse:
"But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Paraclete shall not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you." John 16:7This verse clearly tells us that the coming of the Paraclete was subject to the departure of Jesus(p). Whereas, the "Holy Spirit" was always & already present right? So, how could Jesus(p) say; "but if I go, I will send Holy Spirit"?!!!!
Very illogical.
Mughammed(p) is this paraclete. Sorry guys.

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 15, 2006

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49660
Hundreds of radical Muslims who converged on a church filled with Christian worshippers in West Java on March 26, causing distress to many with their hostile demonstration, were convinced to disband only after police were called and the pastor of nine years agreed to close the church and cease all its Christian activities, reports the Voice of the Martyrs, a leading monitor of Christian persecution.

yaqovzadeek · Apr 15, 2006

BigChrisfilm said:
Hey, just listened to the debate, and I must say, that Craig didn't not get slamed, infact, I believe he won that debate,.

You must be very biased and even if someone lost a debate you are not prepared to admit it because he is a christian like you.Even Mike Gallaher ( I think that's his name) the presenter had doubts about Craig's claims and questioned about it many times , you seem to think he won the debate.I pity your judgement. He has been escaping Debates with muslims over the issue for a while.My mate Jalal got him cornered.

BigChrisfilm said:
and did quote the Qur'an verse that was requested of him, after he had time to look it up, you have to understand, He did not even go and check and Quote the verse because the verse doers not exist, you want to ber so biased that you don't even know what you are talking about, he writes a book, slanders the prophet of Islam annd has not even read the Quran. I know the bible and other scriptures and when i was writing my book I did a lot of research.I checked verse after verse, commentaries and so on.And if I knew I was going to debate someone over my book I was going to do make sure I do my homework..

it is probly hard for a no muslim to quote from the Qur'an without enuff time to find the verse, as much as it would be for you to quote the bible.[/quote] answered above but just a point o add.If he doesn't know the Quran he should not be writing any slander.
peace
yaqovzadeek
aka james the Just

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 15, 2006

Do the muslims still believe the parakletos in the NT is muhammad?

Very illogical.
Mughammed(p) is this paraclete. Sorry guys.

http://www.christianforums.com/t2890869-the-parakletos-of-john-16-part-2.html

Oxy2Hydr0 · Apr 15, 2006

Hehehe...I had fun reading this thread. I was shocked to hear how Graig Winn never even read the Quran but wrote a book about Islam as he admitted on live radio.

He's not the first though, there are many wanna be Islamic experts like him self that circulate propaganda whom have never read the Quran, or have read parts of it and claim they have knowledge while misleading Christians, who dont know better, in their sickness.

Lignoba · Apr 15, 2006

BigChrisfilm said:
A guy that wrote a website Prophet of Doom, has posted severial e-mail he has recieved from Muslims, care to explain yourselves?

"Craig winn you ignorant & lier authour...how dare you write that false book???
you will regret for all what u said about Islam & the last messenger of god the master of the mankind...
***So you have to choose one from two options:
1)To take your book (Prophet of Doom : Islam's Terrorist Dogma in Muhammad's Own Words) out of circulation & to close your website & to apologize officialy for the prophet Muhammad peace upon him & for islam..
2)Or you will be killed suddenly & in an unexpected way (we know where do you live)
***Imprtant Notice: *This is a SERIOUS message proceeded from THE JEALOUS MUSLIM GROUP. *You have only 6 days(from 4.jan to 10.jan 2005) to choose the first option or we will consider you chosen the second option & then you just have to get ready for a kill at every moment...
*If you choose the first option you must send us an email to inform us about the details of stopping the book & your apologize.
*You may send us any email during the 6 days.
**THE JEALOUS MUSLIM GROUP**"

I bet you that if I wrote a book about Christians being terrorists and using a false prophet, I would get the same hate mail.

mallowpuff · Apr 15, 2006

PaladinValer said:
To all the non-Christians here, especially to those Muslim posters, allow me to offer my apologies in the name of Christendom.

I assure you all that these who are wrongly bashing your religion, especially out of the truly more rediculous of illogical reasons and arguments, are not representative of my religion. I ask and beg of you to not think us all like them, just as I do not think all you like certain individuals who claim valid membership in your religions.

Some of them doing the bashing are not Christians. Is this Craig Winn a Christian?

mallowpuff · Apr 15, 2006

Lignoba said:
I bet you that if I wrote a book about Christians being terrorists and using a false prophet, I would get the same hate mail.

No you wuldnt. We don't care what people think, because we know we're right and the rest are wrong.

BigChrisfilm · Apr 16, 2006

Oxy2Hydr0 said:
Hehehe...I had fun reading this thread. I was shocked to hear how Graig Winn never even read the Quran but wrote a book about Islam as he admitted on live radio.

He's not the first though, there are many wanna be Islamic experts like him self that circulate propaganda whom have never read the Quran, or have read parts of it and claim they have knowledge while misleading Christians, who dont know better, in their sickness.

Crraig NEVER admitted on live radio that he hasn't read the Qur'an.

BigChrisfilm · Apr 16, 2006

mallowpuff said:
Some of them doing the bashing are not Christians. Is this Craig Winn a Christian?

Actually, Craig is not a christian, lol, so all the people that have tried to slam christianity in the thread are wrong.

PaladinValer · Apr 16, 2006

BigChrisfilm said:
Crraig NEVER admitted on live radio that he hasn't read the Qur'an.

Do you think he honestly would?

Of course not! He's not going to reveal his fatal flaw, though that in itself shows the caliber of his moral character; it's not very good at all.

Oxy2Hydr0 · Apr 16, 2006

BigChristfilm said:
Crraig NEVER admitted on live radio that he hasn't read the Qur'an.

Is that so ? So who is this then http://www.invitation2truth.com/mp3/debate-myth-prophet-of-doom.mp3 Uncle Sam ?

For those who cannot play the link direct you will have to right click and "save target as" to your desk top and then play the LOOOOOONG debate

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