Time for Islam to defend yourself?

[LittleLambofJesus]

I have proven you wrong on this account, and it sounds to me, like you thought the guy at the beging was Craig, which he clearly isn't, and I don't think you have accually listened to the debate either, since I have no listened to it 3 times, and you are forcing me to do it again, so I can now prove that Jalal never accused Craig of not reading the Qur'an? Man, how many times to I have to listen to this?

Untill the muslims admit which one is telling the Truth looks like.

 

[S Walch]

Eh, should have left you people be to your own book. We come to a conclusion of different perspectives here.



IMO the USA is rebuilding an extension of its whoredom in a region seeking control over. Other than this, your interpretation is sooo unappilcable to Iraq, as it seems you are inferencing, it is beyond funny.

We can go into your very own revelation and point out the discription is depicting the USA and its partner in crime, Europe.

Anyhow this is the way you people interpret your scripture with one eye blinded to what you stand on is plainly mixing your patriotic perspectives with your religious ideologies.

Being that I have a Christian family background, there are many Christians who believe contrary to many of you and have written books that in fact old the perspective that the Beast and the Harlot refered to in Revelations book is refering to the USA and or Europe.

So?

Some Christians have written that the harlot of babylon is Islam and muslims - doesn't mean they're correct.

I also don't care if you had a christian background or not - it can't have been a good one if you're now a member of Islam.

Also their was a recent book written in austrailia calling the USA the harlot of babylon too - after reading it, their arguments were clutching at straws at best.

 

[Oxy2Hydr0]

What about are relation with Israel? Is that not whoredom with her too?

Lets seperate the Israeli Government from its people. Many Jews advocate for the Torah and reject the secular laws Israel has adopted from the USA and Europe.

Who gives power to the Israeli government to rule as they do and fight against those who fight agaisnt them ?

Perhaps you need to do some brushing up on your revelations pal and see where this reflects in your book.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

So?

Some Christians have written that the harlot of babylon is Islam and muslims - doesn't mean they're correct.

I also don't care if you had a christian background or not - it can't have been a good one if you're now a member of Islam.

Also their was a recent book written in austrailia calling the USA the harlot of babylon too - after reading it, their arguments were clutching at straws at best.

Lets seperate the Israeli Government from its people. Many Jews advocate for the Torah and reject the secular laws Israel has adopted from the USA and Europe.

Who gives power to the Israeli government to rule as they do and fight against those who fight agaisnt them ?

Perhaps you need to do some brushing up on your revelations pal and see where this reflects in your book.

Ummm. So? What makes them any different than us except for their religion which also differs from Islam. I read this just from the Scriptures:

Luke 21:21 "Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 "For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Reve 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, My People, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

I have come to the conclusion, that at no point did he ever say, you haven't even read the Qur'an, this being the 3rd time now that I have listened to it, I only listened to half of it this time, but I have decided that you are now the one that needs to prove your claims, I am tired of disproving them.

 

[Oxy2Hydr0]

Ummm. So? What makes them any different than us except for their religion which also differs from Islam.

A whole lot difference.

Orthadox Jewish people uphold the Torah, a law to abide by and to rule by for guidance.

Most western Christians do not uphold the Torah, nor are they bound to the Torah anymore, but to grace. Therefore you are a people without a law being subject to create your own laws to abide by.

Islam and Judaism are closest to each other than any other religion in the world. We can pray in each others temples and mosques but cannot pray in other religious places including Churches.

Both religions uphold a law, for the Jews it is the Torah for Muslims it is the Quran.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

A whole lot difference.

Orthadox Jewish people uphold the Torah, a law to abide by and to rule by for guidance.

Most western Christians do not uphold the Torah, nor are they bound to the Torah anymore, but to grace. Therefore you are a people without a law being subject to create your own laws to abide by.

Islam and Judaism are closest to each other than any other religion in the world. We can pray in each others temples and mosques but cannot pray in other religious places including Churches.

Both religions uphold a law, for the Jews it is the Torah for Muslims it is the Quran.

So what is the purpose of the Jewish Talmud? Is that because God destroyed the Jew's temple in the first century as prophecied in Daniel and Revelation and thus cannot fulfill the WHOLE TORAH?.

Matt 23: 38 "See! Your house is left to you a Wilderness;

Revelation 11:1:And given to me a reed like unto [a] staff saying: Be Ye Arousing!!!!! and Measure Ye!!!!! the Sanctuary/Naos of the God, and the Altar and the Ones worshipping in it/him ! 2 And the Court [#833], the one within[#2081] the Sanctuary/Naos [#3485] be Casting- Out!!!!! [#1544] Out-side [#1854] and ye should not be measuring it/her, because she was given to the nations/gentiles, and the city, the holy, they shall be treading [#3961] for 40 and 2 months.

 

[S Walch]

This is assuming of course that Orthodox Jews today believe the exact same thing that Jews 2000 years ago did.

 

[Oxy2Hydr0]

So what is the purpose of the Jewish Talmud? Is that because God destroyed the Jew's temple in the first century as prophecied in Daniel and Revelation and thus cannot fulfill the WHOLE TORAH?.

This question is more fit for a Jew to answer, as being that I am not a Jew it will solely be my opinion whereas we view the Jewish Talmud just as our Hadeeth and Tafsir. The Talmud is commentary to the Torah just as the authentic Hadeeth and Tafsir is commentary to the Quran.

Other than this I withdraw from an conclusive answer on the behalf of the Jewish religion.

 

[Tawny]

This thread is now closed.

As I have said many times before. NCR is a place to discuss the different religions, not to belittle insult or bash them. CF does not tolerate this and neither do I.

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Tawny
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