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I believe that God is the creator of the universe and therefore existed before time, how is that nonsensical?Because your statement is false and the concept of "before time" is nonsensical.
Without time there is no before.
It's very simple. If you mean outside time, then say so, but don't pretend it's before time.
I believe that God is the creator of the universe and therefore existed before time, how is that nonsensical?
Arguements from personal incredulity to not warrent calling the opposed argument nonsensicle. Indeed, we have observed matter and energy spontaneously manifesting in the univsere (albiet to be annihilated again by the antiparticle that manifests with it; no net energy change, so the conservation laws are not broken). Qv. Quantum foam, virtual particles, quantum gravity, and/or the Casimir effect.I'll tell you what I think is nonsensical and that is that someone can believe that space, matter, and energy (without which there would be no time) popped into existence out of absolutely nothing without a cause.
I believe that God is the creator of the universe and therefore existed before time, how is that nonsensical?
I'll tell you what I think is nonsensical and that is that someone can believe that space, matter, and energy (without which there would be no time) popped into existence out of absolutely nothing without a cause.
FoeHammer.
I believe that God is the creator of the universe and therefore existed before time, how is that nonsensical?
I'll tell you what I think is nonsensical and that is that someone can believe that space, matter, and energy (without which there would be no time) popped into existence out of absolutely nothing without a cause.
Again, I believe that God created time and therefore existed before time, the order would be God then time so God was before time. the fact that you can't get your head around this idea does not make it nonsensical it simply denote a lack of understanding on your part.Nonsensical: does not make sense (e.g., the question 'what existed before time?' is nonsensicle; the statement 'I am a married bachelor' is nonsensicle).
You posit that an entity exists in a certain state (i.e., 'before time'). Since this state cannot by definition exist, your statment is as nonsensicle as stating that you are a married bachelor.
Arguements from personal incredulity to not warrent calling the opposed argument nonsensicle. Indeed, we have observed matter and energy spontaneously manifesting in the univsere (albiet to be annihilated again by the antiparticle that manifests with it; no net energy change, so the conservation laws are not broken). Qv. Quantum foam, virtual particles, quantum gravity, and/or the Casimir effect.
Again, I believe that God created time and therefore existed before time, the order would be God then time so God was before time. the fact that you can't get your head around this idea does not make it nonsensical it simply denote a lack of understanding on your part.
Again, I believe that God created time and therefore existed before time, the order would be God then time so God was before time. the fact that you can't get your head around this idea does not make it nonsensical it simply denote a lack of understanding on your part.
On the contrary, it tells us that creation ex nihilo is indeed possible. This is something Creationists do not like, since they are fundamentally poised at creation ex deus.Also, observing ''matter and energy spontaneously manifesting in the universe'' tells us nothing about the universe popping into existence out of nothing.
FoeHammer.
Because I believe God exists regardless of time. I believe He created space,matter and energy (without which there would be no time) and therefore that the universe (including time) had a beginning.[/color].....
.....How do you think God came into existence, and why can that not be applied to "space, matter and energy?"
Because I believe God exists regardlessof time. I believe He created space,matter and energy (without which there would be no time) and therefore that the universe (including time) had a beginning.
FoeHammer.
Because I believe God exists regardless of time. I believe He created space,matter and energy (without which there would be no time) and therefore that the universe (including time) had a beginning.
FoeHammer.
The universe is not nothing......
On the contrary, it tells us that creation ex nihilo is indeed possible. This is something Creationists do not like, since they are fundamentally poised at creation ex deus.
My existence demands it because... ''From nothing, nothing, comes, since nothing is nothing it can do nothing therefore it can cause nothing hence whatever began to exist needs a cause for its existence.'' (Dr Phil Fernandes) That cause, I believe, is God."I believe... I believe... I believe...". Right okay, now what FoeHammer? I dont care what you believe, only why you believe it and apparently its for no other reason at all other than your own faith demands you do. You cant even respond to what people are saying in this thread. You arent going to convince anyone your arguments are correct just by stating what you believe over and over.
My existence demands it because...
''From nothing, nothing, comes, since nothing is nothing it can do nothing therefore it can cause nothing hence whatever began to exist needs a cause for it’s existence.'' (Dr Phil Fernandes) That cause, I believe, is God. FoeHammer.
Because I believe God exists regardless of time. I believe He created space,matter and energy (without which there would be no time) and therefore that the universe (including time) had a beginning.
FoeHammer.
Correct. But the particles I spoke of are not created from the universe, they are created from nothing: creation ex nihilo. We have observed creation ex nihilo; we know it to be possible. So what is your problem with a causeless creation of the univserse?The universe is not nothing.
Watch the video here:And what science (astrophysics) can we read from the great scientist Dr Phil Fernandes president of the Institute of Biblical Defense, to support his beliefs?
Ed
Define nothing and then explain to me how you get something from nothing.Correct. But the particles I spoke of are not created from the universe, they are created from nothing: creation ex nihilo. We have observed creation ex nihilo; we know it to be possible. So what is your problem with a causeless creation of the univserse?
My existence demands it because... ''From nothing, nothing, comes, since nothing is nothing it can do nothing therefore it can cause nothing hence whatever began to exist needs a cause for its existence.'' (Dr Phil Fernandes) That cause, I believe, is God.
FoeHammer.
Define nothing and then explain to me how you get something from nothing.
FoeHammer.
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