Tim Walz falsely claims misinformation and hate speech are not protected by the First Amendment

[Larniavc]

I simply provided proof that laws aren't needed in order for the government to manipulate private businesses to do their bidding.

For what reason? Certainly nothing in my recent posting would indicate that I had opined in any way about it. Or even considered it topic in this thread. if you'd like to start your own thread about Oligarchs have at it.

 

[Aldebaran]

For what reason? Certainly nothing in my recent posting would indicate that I had opined in any way about it. Or even considered it topic in this thread. if you'd like to start your own thread about Oligarchs have at it.

It doesn't matter if you said it or not. I contributed something to the thread that addressed your post.

 

[Belk]

What benefit do hate speech and lies bring to a society?

Freedom. No one needs to protect speech everyone agrees with.

 

[Aldebaran]

And what is so wrong with that? Can you not imagine a society where free speech excludes Hate Speech and lies in the same what that you can't yell 'fire' in a cinema? Hate speech and lies are 'bad things'. Don't you agree that society is better off without (very specifically) Hate Speech and lies?

What part of society would you like to give the privilege of defining "hate"?

 

[Larniavc]

Freedom. No one needs to protect speech everyone agrees with.

Sorry; you're saying everyone agrees with Hate speech?

 

[Larniavc]

What part of society would you like to give the privilege of defining "hate"?

As has been noted; by society.

 

[rjs330]

Can you give me an example where left wing hate speech has been protected but 1A?

Yeah I want every single leftist who called Trump Hitler or made any reference to him acting like a Nazi etc. tossed in prison.

I want anyone who said anything against Christians being homophones or transphobes or brainwashing etc to be tossed in prison.

I want this guy in prison ASAP.

Racism Is Why Trump Is So Popular

Trump’s popularity with his base isn’t the result of economic anxiety, as many claimed in 2016. It’s about race and demographics.

theintercept.com

 

[Belk]

Sorry; you're saying everyone agrees with Hate speech?

No, I'm saying most don't. Hence why it needs to be protected. The line, at least as far as I can see, is actively calling for harm of others or causing harm through lies or other mendacity.

 

[Merrill]

Sorry; you're saying everyone agrees with Hate speech?

how can you reach that conclusion on what Belk said?

The First Amendment exists to allow criticism of the government, authority, etc. It allows for free political, ideological, and social expression in a Democratic Republic. In a society where everyone agrees with everyone else on all issues, and the government is perfect, you wouldn't need such protections

utopias don't exist, and people have differing opinions and ideologies. Do you really want some tyrant getting into the Whitehouse who can unilaterally decide what speech will be tolerated?

 

[Aldebaran]

As has been noted; by society.

I saw that. That's why I asked "What part of society?"

 

[rjs330]

I want everyone who spread rh3 misinformation on Nick Sandman thrown in prison. Along with everyone that said Rogan was taking horse deformed. I also want all people who claimed Trump Trump.put up a fence around Lafayette park for a photo op. In Jail. I want every single person who spread disinformation regarding what Teump said in Charlottesville in prison.

 

[rjs330]

The legislatures who represent we the people.

You mean rhe same legislators that have decided that Affirmative Care is banned for minors?

Lol, there.is a lot on faith in legislators to define harm when so many blast them for their inability to define emergency.

 

[Larniavc]

Yeah I want every single leftist who called Trump Hitler or made any reference to him acting like a Nazi etc. tossed in prison.

I want anyone who said anything against Christians being homophones or transphobes or brainwashing etc to be tossed in prison.

I want this guy in prison ASAP.

Racism Is Why Trump Is So Popular

Trump’s popularity with his base isn’t the result of economic anxiety, as many claimed in 2016. It’s about race and demographics.

theintercept.com

Calling someone racist is not hate speech. Clearly.

 

[rjs330]

Yes. But in the interest of liberty I would want the definition to be very narrow, as it mostly is for the other 1st amendment exceptions that have been deemed reasonable over time.

I think the Texas and Tennessee legislators should be the ones to define harm. And anyone who believes in Christian Nationalism.

 

[Aldebaran]

I want everyone who spread rh3 misinformation on Nick Sandman thrown in prison. Along with everyone that said Rogan was taking horse deformed. I also want all people who claimed Trump Trump.put up a fence around Lafayette park for a photo op. In Jail. I want every single person who spread disinformation regarding what Teump said in Charlottesville in prison.

I think the proposed "hate speech laws" are only meant to be used against conservatives.

 

[durangodawood]

You mean rhe same legislators that have decided that Affirmative Care is banned for minors?

Lol, there.is a lot on faith in legislators to define harm when so many blast them for their inability to define emergency.

Im just talking about how it actually works. We have various laws - passed by legislatures - that infringe on the right to free speech. And pretty much everyone is ok with them.

 

[rjs330]

the campaign ads were misleading and sketchy, and there were ethical issues

and if the Trump campaign had been doing this, Walz and others would be calling for such ads to be removed on grounds that they are "disinformation"

and connected to all of this is the incident from a few days ago where a left-wing Washington Post journalist asked the Whitehouse what it would do to "stop" the Trump interview on X, on the grounds that it could be "misinformation"

which further illustrates the need to educate the political left in this country on what the First Amendment and free expression actually means

Yeah anyone who claimed that Trump.and Musk were spreading misinformation should be in prison for spreading misinformation.

 

[Larniavc]

It doesn't matter if you said it or not. I contributed something to the thread that addressed your post.

It was a strawman though.

 

[Aldebaran]

Calling someone racist is not hate speech. Clearly.

You sure about that? It's usually a false accusation that is meant to demean someone personally.

 

[Aldebaran]

As has been noted; by society.

As I asked before, what PART of society? Do you even know?