Tim Walz falsely claims misinformation and hate speech are not protected by the First Amendment

[durangodawood]

I think the Texas and Tennessee legislators should be the ones to define harm. And anyone who believes in Christian Nationalism.

Yes thats how it works. Legislatures make the laws.

But only them. Not everyone else who believes x y and z.

 

[rjs330]

I think the proposed "hate speech laws" are only meant to be used against conservatives.

Well that's been proven in the UK.

 

[rjs330]

Calling someone racist is not hate speech. Clearly.

Yes it is because it causes harm to the person.

 

[rjs330]

Yes thats how it works. Legislatures make the laws.

But only them. Not everyone else who believes x y and z.

That's right. And that is why we have freedom of speech. So Christian nationalists can't decide what you can say and what you can't.

 

[durangodawood]

That's right. And that is why we have freedom of speech. So Christian nationalists can't decide what you can say and what you can't.

Yes I agree. But despite the strict wording of the 1A, legislatures have carved out certain exception to absolute free speech. And we all pretty much are ok with this.

 

[Larniavc]

I want everyone who spread rh3 misinformation on Nick Sandman thrown in prison. Along with everyone that said Rogan was taking horse deformed. I also want all people who claimed Trump Trump.put up a fence around Lafayette park for a photo op. In Jail. I want every single person who spread disinformation regarding what Teump said in Charlottesville in prison.

Yes to the first one because it had significant consequence for an innocent young man. No to Joe Rogan because Joe Rogan is not a protected class. I don't know enough about the Lafayette incident. Was the claim ever retracted? What Trump said is a matter of record so I'm unclear where the lie or hate speech is there.

 

[Larniavc]

It's usually a false accusation that is meant to demean someone personally.

That should be easily resolved then. But then the well known idiom of any racist's utterances often start thusly: "I'm not racist but....."

So usually it's the racist thinking that saying racist things is fine when it's not. You'd think they would learn (even if its only by rote) but they don't.

 

[Larniavc]

As I asked before, what PART of society? Do you even know?

The voting part.

 

[Larniavc]

Well that's been proven in the UK.

Evidence please. Let's see if we can have another round of 'who got there facts wrong this time?'.

 

[Larniavc]

Yes it is because it causes harm to the person.

Racists are not a protected class.

 

[rjs330]

Yes I agree. But despite the strict wording of the 1A, legislatures have carved out certain exception to absolute free speech. And we all pretty much are ok with this.

The words ALL are the key. That and of course the courts which determine if a law is actually constitutional or not.

And since free speech is established in the constitution just blithley claiming hate speech should be outlawed without thinking through the consequences of it is foolishness beyond measure.

The blatant ignorance of those who think that legislators have any idea anymore than the rest of us how to define hate speech in a way that still ensures our freedom of the 1st Ammendment is quite amazing.

 

[durangodawood]

The words ALL are the key. That and of course the courts which determine if a law is actually constitutional or not.

And since free speech is established in the constitution just blithley claiming hate speech should be outlawed without thinking through the consequences of it is foolishness beyond measure.

The blatant ignorance of those who think that legislators have any idea anymore than the rest of us how to define hate speech in a way that still ensures our freedom of the 1st Ammendment is quite amazing.

Yes I agree. Anything outlawing hate speech will have to be very "narrowly tailored" as the supreme court puts it.

 

[rjs330]

Racists are not a protected class.

They are citizens of the US and entitled to the same rights and freedoms as everyone else.

And calling someone a racist is harmful to the person, therefore it is hate speech. And therefore the person that does so should be put in prison.

 

[Larniavc]

They are citizens of the US and entitled to the same rights and freedoms as everyone else.

I'm sorry, I assumed you knew what a protected class is.

Protected group - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Make sense?

 

[Larniavc]

And calling someone a racist is harmful to the person, therefore it is hate speech.

Not unless it's true. Saying "I'm not being racist but....." does not stop saying racist things being racist. If someone is accused of doing a crime (racist hate speech) and was guilty of doing a racist hate speech it stands to reason that would cause harm to them, just like if some is accused of doing a burglary and was guilty of doing a burglary.

You can't say "I'm not a burglar but....." and then do a burglary and whine that your reputation has been besmirched by being called a burglar.

If you don't want to be called either (racist or burglar) don't be a racist or a burglarer.

 

[rjs330]

I'm sorry, I assumed you knew what a protected class is.

Protected group - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Make sense?

I'm sorry I thought you understood what a citizen was.

Definition of CITIZEN

a native or naturalized person who owes allegiance to a government and is entitled to protection from it; a member of a state; an inhabitant of a city or town; especially : one entitled to the rights and privileges of a freeman… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[Larniavc]

I'm sorry I thought you understood what a citizen was.

Definition of CITIZEN

a native or naturalized person who owes allegiance to a government and is entitled to protection from it; a member of a state; an inhabitant of a city or town; especially : one entitled to the rights and privileges of a freeman… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

I do. But what does that have to do with US federal protections for all individuals from certain forms of discrimination or harassment?

 

[Aldebaran]

That should be easily resolved then. But then the well known idiom of any racist's utterances often start thusly: "I'm not racist but....."

So usually it's the racist thinking that saying racist things is fine when it's not. You'd think they would learn (even if its only by rote) but they don't.

One thing "they" have learned is that once someone labels them as a racist, there's no convincing their accuser otherwise. Your post is an example.

 

[Aldebaran]

The voting part.

So you think whether someone can speak freely or not is dependent on how others vote?
Sounds like 2 foxes and a hen voting on what's for Dinner.

 

[Aldebaran]

I do. But what does that have to do with US federal protections for all individuals from certain forms of discrimination or harassment?

You mean like labeling someone as a racist and then discriminating against them or harassing them based on the label you applied to them?