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Discussion in 'Non-denominational' started by Blynn, Feb 7, 2002.

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  1. Blynn

    Blynn Well-Known Member

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    "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, And thou shalt be saved, And thy house."

    Act 16:31

    What does this mean to someone who lives with an unbelieving spouse??


    Can somebody help or just explain what this verse means?

    God Bless,
    Roberta
     
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  2. Optimus_P

    Optimus_P Super Umpa Lumpa

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    The passage on marriage says that even tho you may be married to an unbeliever they will be saved because there spouse believs.
     
  3. Blynn

    Blynn Well-Known Member

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    I do live with an unbeliever and have for 13 years. Mine is a situation where I came to Christ after we were married.

    Anyhow, this is the scripture I have been given by everyone I ask for advice.

    I truly believe that each man must come to Christ on his/her own. I cannot save anyone. My witness can help.
    Can someone automatically be saved because someone else in the house is?

    I do struggle with this.


    God Bless,
    Roberta
     
  4. Optimus_P

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    NASB Translation

    "1 Corinthians 7
    1
    Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is <*1> good for a man not to touch a woman.
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    But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband.
    3
    The husband must [1] fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband.
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    The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.
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    <*2> Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and [2] come together again so that <*3> Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
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    But this I say by way of concession, <*4> not of command.
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    [3] Yet I wish that all men were <*5> even as I myself am. However, <*6> each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that.
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    But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is <*7> good for them if they remain <*8> even as I.
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    But if they do not have self-control, <*9> let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
    10
    But to the married I give instructions, <*10> not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not [4] leave her husband
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    (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not [5] divorce his wife.
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    But to the rest <*11> I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not [6] divorce her.
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    And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not [7] send her husband away.
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    For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through [8] her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are <*12> holy.
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    Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called [9] us [10] <*13> to peace.
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    For how do you know, O wife, whether you will <*14> save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?
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    Only, <*15> as the Lord has assigned to each one, as God has called each, in this manner let him walk. And <*16> so I direct in <*17> all the churches.
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    Was any man called when he was already circumcised? He is not to become uncircumcised. Has anyone been called in uncircumcision? <*18> He is not to be circumcised.
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    <*19> Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is <*20> the keeping of the commandments of God.
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    <*21> Each man must remain in that [11] condition in which he was called.
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    Were you called while a slave? [12] Do not worry about it; but if you are able also to become free, rather [13] do that.
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    For he who was called in the Lord while a slave, is <*22> the Lord's freedman; likewise he who was called while free, is <*23> Christ's slave.
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    <*24> You were bought with a price; do not become slaves of men.
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    Brethren, <*25> each one is to remain with God in that condition in which he was called.
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    Now concerning virgins I have <*26> no command of the Lord, but I give an opinion as one who [14] <*27> by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy.
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    I think then that this is good in view of the [15] present <*28> distress, that <*29> it is good for a man [16] to remain as he is.
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    Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be released. Are you released from a wife? Do not seek a wife.
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    But if you marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Yet such will have [17] trouble in this life, and I am trying to spare you.
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    But this I say, brethren, <*30> the time has been shortened, so that from now on those who have wives should be as though they had none;
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    and those who weep, as though they did not weep; and those who rejoice, as though they did not rejoice; and those who buy, as though they did not possess;
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    and those who use the world, as though they did not <*31> make full use of it; for <*32> the form of this world is passing away.
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    But I want you to be free from concern. One who is <*33> unmarried is concerned about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord;
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    but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how he may please his wife,
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    and his interests are divided. The woman who is unmarried, and the virgin, is concerned about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and spirit; but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how she may please her husband.
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    This I say for your own benefit; not to put a restraint upon you, but [18] to promote what is appropriate and to secure undistracted devotion to the Lord.
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    But if any man thinks that he is acting unbecomingly toward his virgin daughter, if she is past her youth, and if it must be so, let him do what he wishes, he does not sin; let [19] her marry.
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    But he who stands firm in his heart, [20] being under no constraint, but has authority [21] over his own will, and has decided this in his own heart, to keep his own virgin daughter, he will do well.
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    So then both he who gives his own virgin daughter in marriage does well, and he who does not give her in marriage will do better.
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    <*34> A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband [22] is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only <*35> in the Lord.
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    But <*36> in my opinion she is happier if she remains as she is; and I think that I also have the Spirit of God. 8
    Lit render
    Lit be
    One early ms reads For
    Lit depart from
    Or leave his wife
    Or leave her
    Or leave her husband
    Lit the brother
    One early ms reads you
    Lit in
    Lit calling
    Lit Let it not be a care to you
    Lit use
    Lit has had mercy shown on him by the Lord to be trustworthy
    Or impending
    Lit so to be
    Lit tribulation in the flesh
    Lit for what is seemly
    Lit them
    Lit having no necessity
    Lit pertaining to
    Lit falls asleep "
     
  5. RNwannabe

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    blynn,

    Salvation is a personal, choice.
    It is one that has to be made by each individual according to his/her free will to either choose, or deny Christ as their savior.

    I dont believe that just because a husband is saved that automatically saves his wife or vice versa. If this were the case then the spouse wouldnt have free will in that choice.
    I believe the witness of the believing spouse is a great help to the unsaved one.

    I want to go back to the scripture and post the ones before it and after it so we can look at the context that it is taken in.

    Acts 16:28-32

    But Paul cried with a loud voice saying: Do thyself no harm, for we are all here.
    29: Then he called for a light, and sprang in and came trembling and fell down before Paul and Silas.
    30: And brought them out and said Sirs what must I do to be saved?
    31: And they said Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved and thy house.
    32: And they spake unto him the word of the Lord and to all that were in his house.

    Okay this is when Paul and Silas are in jail and they are speaking to the Jailer.
    They did tell him that his house would be saved, and they were because they heard the word of God that Paul and Silas spoke to them and they accepted it.
    Not because the Jailer was saved, but because his house also heard and accepted the word of God.
    I believe Paul knew they would be open to hearing the gospel because of the Jailer acceptance of the Gospel.

    These are my thoughts on it. And I hope they have helped you. :)
     
  6. Optimus_P

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    RNwannabe: "I dont believe that just because a husband is saved that automatically saves his wife or vice versa. If this were the case then the spouse wouldnt have free will in that choice. "

    Let me ask you this. If you receave a gift. Is it your willingness or nonwillingness that they got you a gift?

    and are you denying what the scripture says directly? 1Cor 7:14

    "Main Entry: sanc·ti·fy
    Pronunciation: -"fI
    Function: transitive verb
    Inflected Form(s): -fied; -fy·ing
    Etymology: Middle English sanctifien, from Middle French sanctifier, from Late Latin sanctificare, from Latin sanctus sacred -- more at SAINT
    Date: 14th century
    1 : to set apart to a sacred purpose or to religious use : CONSECRATE
    2 : to free from sin : PURIFY
    3 a : to impart or impute sacredness, inviolability, or respect to b : to give moral or social sanction to
    4 : to make productive of holiness or piety <observe the day of the sabbath, to sanctify it -- Deut 5:12 (Douay Version)> "
     
  7. Blynn

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    Thank you RNwannabe and Optimus_P for the replies,


    The problem I have is if you read all of Acts 16 like RNwannabe pointed out it appears that this is not reffering to unsaved loved ones.

    1Cor7 gives us biblical advice about marriage.

    Isn't 1Cor7:14 saying that because I am saved my marriage and my children are made holy??


    Thanks,
    Roberta
     
  8. RNwannabe

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    Optimus_P:

    I do not deny anything the Bible says. I do believe people interpret scriptures differently.

    The gift issue is simple you got it because they wanted to give it to you, but you can refuse to accept that gift.

    I believe salvation can only be obtained by a personal relationship with Jesus. Not because someone else is saved.
    That is like "loving" someone into the kingdom. It cant be done.

    The individual has to be the one to make the choice not their spouses or their parents. This is simply my opinoin. But I would not tell someone they are saved because their spouse is a Christian. That leads to a false sense of security for both. And if the unbelieving spouse never accepts Jesus as their savior on their own, then they are still lost.

    1 Corinthians 7:12 Pauls makes this statement:

    But to the rest speak I, not the Lord.

    So is it then that the following verses are Paul's thoughts about the matter and not necessarily the Lord's?

    If so then this is Pauls opinoin and interpretation.

    I do not know the answer, but I do know that Jesus died for us, not lets say, Jack and his family, no He died for Jack, Marsha, sissy, and junior...see my thinking here?
    God made each of us and Jesus died for Each of us, and each of us have to choose whether to accept His gift of salvation, or to reject it.
     
  9. Optimus_P

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    This is what Paul wrote in essence.

    RNwannabe:
    I am sorry but i had missed that line of scripture. I suppose I should have looked above and below what i myself was posting.
     
  10. Caedmon

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    Salvation is on an individual basis. God calls each of His elect individually. There is no mass redemption by association. No person can save another person. If that was true, that would mean a man could also save himself. Man does not save himself or anyone else; God alone converts and saves us with His grace.
     
  11. Blynn

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    I agree 1000% humblejoe.

    My question is why am I given this scripture Acts 16:31 when I ask for prayer for an unbelieving spouse???


    I have two bible promise books and under "unsaved loved ones" this scripture is given..

    I have also been told to keep this scripture in my heart, to claim it and to stand on it.

    This happens time and time again.

    Why is this the unsaved loved ones scripture? I do not understand.


    God Bless,
    Roberta
     
  12. Redeemed1

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  13. Caedmon

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    "And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved, you and your household." - Acts 16:31, NASB

    I think that this verse means that if him, even everyone in his household, if they "believe in the Lord Jesus", they will be saved.

    Actually, I think the following Scripture is more applicable to your situation, blynn:

    "In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may ebe won without a word by the behavior of their wives, as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior." - I Peter 3:1,2, NASB

    Of course, this doesn't mean you're inferior, it just means that you're being a shining light for your nonbelieving husband. I hope this helped....
     
  14. Blynn

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    Thank you humblejoe I think I do understand a little bit better now.

    Thank you all for the replies. :)

    God Bless,
    Roberta
     
  15. solo66 man

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    It was part of a great miracle that God was performing in an isolated instance. It does not mean, I believe, that every single househod where there is a believer that the entire household will
    is saved or even will be saved.
    I think that some, out of their understandable enthusiasm, tend to take many of the promises in the Bible meant only for the particular person or situation as a whole promise to all. In which case, since Abraham was told that wherever he set his foot, the land was part of his inheiritence, everywhere I walk, since I too have been chosen by God, I own the property.
     
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