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Yes but the Greek manuscripts were scribed by Catholic Greeks.This is denied by D'Aubigne in his lifelong project The History of the 15th Century Reformation. Erasmus' translation was made directly from the Hebrew and the Greek manuscripts of the old and new testaments as he was a highly accomplished scholar in Latin, Greek and Hebrew.
Context is always king. The surrounding verses invalidate your reasoning.And Paul says that both commandments and ordinances were set aside.
"For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands (ἐντολῶν) and ordinances (δόγμασιν)".
Eph 2:15
-- the Mosaic law as a whole is set aside, no dividing needed
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
There is no word "contained" in the Greek, so its irrelevant, but even though your favourite KJV added it, it does not change the point. The law is set aside, with both commandments and ordinances.Eph 2:15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,
You did not show how the surrounding verses invalidate "my" reasoning. You just quoted more of the text, without any commentary.Context is always king. The surrounding verses invalidate your reasoning.
There’s more than one sabbath in the scripture- the Sabbath commandment that came before sin Gen 2:1-3, the annual sabbath(s) that came after. The weekly Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments that is in God’s heavenly temple which is what the earthy temple was modeled after Hebrews 8:5 Rev 11:19 so not possible the Sabbath commandment ended at the cross and context tells us that is only we would allow scripture to define scripture. Col 2:14 KJVApparently when Isaiah 66:23 says:
"From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord."
"Sabbath" means the 4th commandment sabbath.
But when Colossians 2:16 says:
"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day"
"Sabbath" does not mean the 4th commandment Sabbath.
Why would Paul write sabbath day, when he meant a sabbath year?Col 2:14-17 KJV is not about the Sabbath commandment as context shows is about the annual sabbath(s) ordiances Col 2:14 KJV Gods Ten Commandments are in God’s heavenly Temple under His mercy seat unedited Deut 4:2 Heb 8:5 Rev 11:19 and what we will be judged by James 2:10-12 so not possible for any of the Ten to have ended at the cross, plus doesn’t reconcile with the rest of scripture. Decades after the cross Acts 13:42,44, Acts 18:4 Matt 24:20- for eternity Isa 66:22-23.
The commandments does not reconcile with scripture because it is what defines sin Romans 7:7 we are not free to sin, it is what Christ came to save us from not it. Mat 1:21. Jesus said to not break the least of the commandments or to teach others quoting from the Ten Mat 5:19-30 so obviously we are not free to break. We all have to answer to a much greater authority so I will leave that tween you and God to sort out, but if we have faith in Jesus we should traits His teachings.There is no word "contained" in the Greek, so it’s irrelevant, but even though your favourite KJV added it, it does not change the point. The law is set aside, with both commandments and ordinances.
We are not free to sin, but we are free from the Mosaic law.we are not free to sin, it is what Christ came to save us from not it.
I can't say anything about that as it is most likely true. But, and this is a very large but, Erasmus' translation is in all respects essentially the same as Luther's and Tyndale's. And the RCC of that day considered those translations so heretical they burned people at the stake for simply having one of them and/or holding to the beliefs expressed in them.Yes but the Greek manuscripts were scribed by Catholic Greeks.
He didn’t its sabbath(s) plural. The Bible is not meant to be read just on the surface and will explain itself if we allow. Plus it doesn't fit the context of the Sabbath ending at the cross as it was kept decades after Christ died and Jesus indicated it would be kept well after the cross Matthew 24:20. The annual sabbath(s) ordinances all pointed to Christ who became our Sacrificial Lamb and Passover. 1 Cor 5:7 Sin is still defined as breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7 which is why we needed sacrifices in the beginning for breaking God’s law.Why would Paul write sabbath day, when he meant a sabbath year?
Copy & paste conversation, again?He didn’t its sabbath(s) plural.
Paul is quoting from in the old testament and look at the within scripture and chapter contexts and overall context and know what Paul is referring to from the old covenant scriptures. The Greek words used in Colossians 2:16 is in context to no judging others in regards to the **new moons,** **meat and drink offerings** and **the sabbaths** (**plural sabbaths are being referred to here as the Greek is genitive neuter plural application - GNP**) **in the annual feast days**. It is not talking about the weekly Sabbath. All of the above were shadows of things to come (Col 2:17). All the things listed in Col 2:16 were all shadows of things to come because they were all linked to the **old covenant Sanctuary laws of animal sacrifices and sin offerings and the Levitical Priesthood for atonement for sin that all pointed to Jesus as the promised Messiah and Gods' sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all and Jesus as our true high priest that stands in the presence of God making intercession for us (see Hebrews** 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22). Its **impossible** for God's creation seventh day Sabbath which is a **memorial** (Remember - Exodus 20:8) of creation to be a shadow law of anything because** it was made before sin **not after sin when man was in perfect harmony with the creator and **points backward as a memorial not forwards to things to come**. All shadow laws were made in the old covenant as part of God's plan of salvation **after mankind had sinned** as a promise of God's salvation from sin and of things to come in the future through Jesus. The creation Sabbath was made **before sin so cannot be a shadow law of anything **which is why it is a memorial in Exodus 20:8-11 that points backward to creation in Genesis 2:1-3.
The word used in Colossians 2:16 is:He didn’t its sabbath(s) plural. The Bible is not meant to be read just on the surface And will explain itself if we allow. Plus it doesn't fit the context of the Sabbath ending at the cross as it was kept decades after Christ died. The annual sabbath(s) ordinances all pointed to Christ who became our Sacrificial Lamb and Passover. Sin is still defined as breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7 which is why we needed sacrifices in the beginning For breaking God’s law.
Paul is quoting from in the old testament and look at the within scripture and chapter contexts and overall context and know what Paul is referring to from the old covenant scriptures. The Greek words used in Colossians 2:16 is in context to no judging others in regards to the **new moons,** **meat and drink offerings** and **the sabbaths** (**plural sabbaths are being referred to here as the Greek is genitive neuter plural application - GNP**) **in the annual feast days**. It is not talking about the weekly Sabbath. All of the above were shadows of things to come (Col 2:17). All the things listed in Col 2:16 were all shadows of things to come because they were all linked to the **old covenant Sanctuary laws of animal sacrifices and sin offerings and the Levitical Priesthood for atonement for sin that all pointed to Jesus as the promised Messiah and Gods' sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all and Jesus as our true high priest that stands in the presence of God making intercession for us (see Hebrews** 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22). Its **impossible** for God's creation seventh day Sabbath which is a **memorial** (Remember - Exodus 20:8) of creation to be a shadow law of anything because** it was made before sin **not after sin when man was in perfect harmony with the creator and **points backward as a memorial not forwards to things to come**. All shadow laws were made in the old covenant as part of God's plan of salvation **after mankind had sinned** as a promise of God's salvation from sin and of things to come in the future through Jesus. The creation Sabbath was made **before sin so cannot be a shadow law of anything **which is why it is a memorial in Exodus 20:8-11 that points backward to creation in Genesis 2:1-3.
The ceremonial sabbaths in the annual Feast days are different from God's creation weekly seventh day Sabbath that is Gods' 4th commandments and a memorial of creation pointing backwards to Genesis 2:1-3. The ceremonial sabbaths in the annual Feast days can fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle and are linked directly to the Sanctuary and Levitical Priesthood through animal sacrifices and blood atonement for sin.
This 'handwriting of ordinances' our Lord did blot out, take away, and nail to His cross. (Colossians 2: 14.) But the moral law contained in the Ten Commandments, and enforced by the prophets, He did not take away.... The moral law stands on an entirely different foundation from the ceremonial or ritual law. ...Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind and in all ages.
—JOHN WESLEY, Sermons on Several Occasions, 2-Vol. Edition, Vol. I, pages 221, 222.
Why is J. Wesley's human opinion suddenly important, when you dismiss for example apostolic fathers' opinions as "its not Scripture"?....
—JOHN WESLEY, Sermons on Several Occasions, 2-Vol. Edition, Vol. I, pages 221, 222.
Yes, I used part of a bible study from a friend that we worked on. Col 2:16-17 is one of the most misused and abused scriptures so I have spent a lot of time studying. Many surface readers don’t really want to know the Truth- despite its how we are sanctified John 17:17 and what sets us free.Copy & paste conversation, again?
D'Abigne is the foremost historian on the Reformation to this day. His history of the Reformation was a lifelong project. It took him 55 years to publish all the books contained in it.I don't recall ever hearing the claim before that Catholic Erasmus was really a Protestant. I wonder if the author realized that Erasmus finished translating the Greek New Testament the year BEFORE the year most often attributed to the start of the Protestant Reformation?
The plural sabbaths are being referred to here as the Greek is genitive neuter plural application - GNPThe word used in Colossians 2:16 is:
σαββάτων (sabbatōn)
sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week)
Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sabbaton
Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on)
Definition: the Sabbath, the seventh day (of the week)
Usage: the Sabbath, a week.
Appeartly because he's not a founding church father. It's seems they're the ones who don't count.Why is J. Wesley's human opinion suddenly important, when you dismiss for example apostolic fathers' opinions as "its not Scripture"?
An holyday (feast), or of the new moon, or of the sabbath.—Comp. Isaiah 1:13-14, “the new moons and sabbaths . . . the new moons and the appointed feasts My soul hateth;” also Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:13. The “feast” would seem to be one of the great festivals; the “new moon” the monthly, and the sabbath the weekly solemnity. With this passage it is natural to compare the similar passage in Galatians 4:10, “Ye observe days and months and times (special seasons) and years.” But there the specially Judaic character is not so expressly marked; and, in fact, the passage has a wider meaning (like Rom. 14:56), showing the different position which even Christian festivals held in Apostolic days. Here it is the Jewish festivals, and they alone, which are noted. It is obvious that St. Paul gives no hint of any succession of the Lord’s Day to be, in any strict sense, a “Christian Sabbath.” We know, indeed, that the Jewish Sabbath itself lingered in the Church, as having a kind of sacredness, kept sometimes as a fast, sometimes as a festival. But its observance was not of obligation. No man was to “judge” others in respect of it.Yes, I used part of a bible study from a friend That we worked on. Col 2:16-17 iso be of the most misused and abused scriptures so I have spent a lot of time studying. Many surface readers don’t really want to know the Truth- despite its how we are sanctified John 17:17 and what sets us free.
Meat - drink (βρώσει - πόσει)The plural sabbaths are being referred to here as the Greek is genitive neuter plural application - GNP
It’s the sabbath(s) contained in ordinances Col 2:14 KJV
Sorry but the definition and usage of sabbatōn (4521) is quite clearly the weekly seventh day Sabbath. To prove that wrong you're going to have cite a different translation of sabbatōn from a concordance/lexicon source most Christian translators and scholars consider valid.The plural sabbaths are being referred to here as the Greek is genitive neuter plural application - GNP
It’s the sabbath(s) contained in ordinances Col 2:14 KJV
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