Thrown into a pit, for what? Truly, the Devil has begun to drive a wedge between the concepts of Men

[jasonMalloy1999]

I'm sure everyone will be scared to death, Jesus said that it will be the most horrific time for unbelievers. They will seek death but they won't find it, so they will have to stand before Him to be judged and cast into the lake of fire to be tormented in flames forever.

i believe i hae faith and talk to jesus quite abit but my ocd makes me emotionless so i cant feel sincere for sinning but i hope i atleast cn get to heaven

 

[mmksparbud]

The book of the revelation of Jesus Christ, is written in symbolic language. It was never meant to be taken literally.
It is said that we can make the book of revelation say anything we want it to, hence the 40,000 Christian denominations each with a different intterpritation.

Of course it's symbolic---animals represent kingdoms, water represent people. Earth--places with few people---days=years unless it says years. Horns are kings or an authority, candlesticks=churches---women, good or bad=churches, virgins devout people of God (people who have been forgiven by Jesus)the bible also tells you what the symbols are. Unfortunately, people will come up with their own meanings instead of what the bible says they are. Revelation and Daniel need to be taken together. In fact a lot of the NT is quotes from the OT.

 

[Gottservant]

Well, at least we haven't let the Devil make us fight.

I like what mmsparkud said, that the Devil has only one hand to play: "that he is the one that gave the resurrection".

I think the more we unite under the resurrection, the harder the Devil's job gets!

 

[Blade]

If Satan was bound tossed in the bottomless pit.. WHO is tempting you? What.. all the demons or fallen angels? And wheres Christ? I missed that sheep and the goats. I really missed when Christ came with ALL His angels and set foot on the earth. No where does it say anyone is with Christ for 1000y in heaven.

So again.. all GOOD things come from God. So where are all these LIES and SINS and gay and abortion and murders on and on coming from? Man? Satan as Christ said is the god of this world. The demon said to Christ have you come to torment us before our time? A that TIME is not over yet.

The simple fact again is.. the one murderer from the start was Satan. If you take Satan out of the picture.. who is sinning then? We find after the 1000y what happens that WAS NOT happening? After Satan is loosed THEN and only THEN do the nations go after Christ. Yet.. the WORLD now is not for Christ. Christ is not ruling. If anyone can go murder or abortion or sin. Christ is not ruling. When He does.. none of that will be happening. As I see and understand.

The Church is still here. And the END of which were talking has not happen YET. Why? Because the word is NOT in every nation ...yet. 99% I believe.

 

[mmksparbud]

If Satan was bound tossed in the bottomless pit.. WHO is tempting you? What.. all the demons or fallen angels? And wheres Christ? I missed that sheep and the goats. I really missed when Christ came with ALL His angels and set foot on the earth. No where does it say anyone is with Christ for 1000y in heaven.

So again.. all GOOD things come from God. So where are all these LIES and SINS and gay and abortion and murders on and on coming from? Man? Satan as Christ said is the god of this world. The demon said to Christ have you come to torment us before our time? A that TIME is not over yet.

The simple fact again is.. the one murderer from the start was Satan. If you take Satan out of the picture.. who is sinning then? We find after the 1000y what happens that WAS NOT happening? After Satan is loosed THEN and only THEN do the nations go after Christ. Yet.. the WORLD now is not for Christ. Christ is not ruling. If anyone can go murder or abortion or sin. Christ is not ruling. When He does.. none of that will be happening. As I see and understand.

The Church is still here. And the END of which were talking has not happen YET. Why? Because the word is NOT in every nation ...yet. 99% I believe.

I agree, except on one thing.
I do not believe Christ sets foot on this earth when He returns. When He returns we meet Him up in the air---we are taken to Him. It does it say all then come back down to this earth. Why bother to take us up to Him and all His angels if He is going to just come right back down?


Mat_24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat_26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mar_13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mar_14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
1Th_4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Joh_14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

When Jesus returns this earth is left destroyed, barren, burnt up and Satan gets it as his bottomless pit---all dressed up and nowhere to go---bummer.

2Pe_3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe_3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?


Jesus is preparing a place for us in heaven---this is going to be our "city home!" After the 1000 years then Jesus makes this earth new again--- we get to build our "country homes" on a remade earth. After the earth is cleansed and then only will Jesus set foot on this wicked sinful world. We have polluted everything from the heavens to the oceans---This earth gets a 1000 year rest before it is remade, and everyone with Jesus and His Father comes down in the New Jerusalem that the wicked had tried to take.

To live and reign on this earth in that condition makes no sense to me. One thing that Satan will do at the end is try to impersonate the return of Jesus. And he will be on this earth.

Mat_24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mar_13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
Luk_17:23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
2Co_11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.


And the gospel must be preached to every nation, kindred and tongue first and also---

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[ewq1938]

Why bother to take us up to Him and all His angels if He is going to just come right back down?

Because the living saints are spread out all through the world in various countries etc. He wants to assemble all in one place with him as he completes his second coming so the living are brought to one place in the clouds and follow Him down as part of his army. The rapture is not taking anyone to the third heaven or else they wouldn't have to stop at the clouds of the Earth.

 

[mmksparbud]

Because the living saints are spread out all through the world in various countries etc. He wants to assemble all in one place with him as he completes his second coming so the living are brought to one place in the clouds and follow Him down as part of his army. The rapture is not taking anyone to the third heaven or else they wouldn't have to stop at the clouds of the Earth.

Nothing says they stop at the clouds---they keep going---

Joh_14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

He is not building a place for us here on this earth now. He is building them in His kingdom---and He returns to take us there.

BTW---
Rev_8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

That's because Jesus comes with ALL the angels---nobody there.

 

[ewq1938]

Nothing says they stop at the clouds---they keep going---

Yes but this is the middle of the second coming which is Jesus leaving heaven to come to the Earth and in Revelation 14 we indeed see him on the Earth.

 

[mmksparbud]

Yes but this is the middle of the second coming which is Jesus leaving heaven to come to the Earth and in Revelation 14 we indeed see him on the Earth.

There is a heavenly Mt. Zion on which the New Jerusalem in situated on. The 144,000 wer5e redeemed from the earth. So this is not happening on this earth. It is before the throne of God, which is not on this earth until after the 1000 years.

Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

 

[ewq1938]

There is a heavenly Mt. Zion on which the New Jerusalem in situated on.

There is no heavenly Mt Zion. The Mount is located at Jerusalem on the Earth. The same timeframe Christ will arrive at Armageddon which is about 66 miles from Mt Zion. Once the thousand years begins, Christ will rule from Jerusalem with his saints. They will establish a camp there which eventually will be surrounded by Satan's army after the thousand years.

 

[mmksparbud]

There is no heavenly Mt Zion. The Mount is located at Jerusalem on the Earth. The same timeframe Christ will arrive at Armageddon which is about 66 miles from Mt Zion. Once the thousand years begins, Christ will rule from Jerusalem with his saints. They will establish a camp there which eventually will be surrounded by Satan's army after the thousand years.

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


New Living Translation
No, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to countless thousands of angels in a joyful gathering.

English Standard Version
But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering,

Berean Study Bible
Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to myriads of angels

Berean Literal Bible
But you have come to Mount Zion, and the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels,


Satan and his followers will attack the city as it descends from heaven. It does not come down until after the 1000 years, after the earth is made new.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

 

[ewq1938]

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

The only heavenly thing there is Jerusalem not Mt Zion.

Satan and his followers will attack the city as it descends from heaven.

The city they surround is not descending and never does anyone attack New Jerusalem. Satan and all the unrighteous are in the LOF at the timeframe of Revelation 21.

 

[mmksparbud]

The only heavenly thing there is Jerusalem not Mt Zion.



The city they surround is not descending and never does anyone attack New Jerusalem. Satan and all the unrighteous are in the LOF at the timeframe of Revelation 21.

Read those verses again! It very clearly says ---
New Living Translation
No, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to countless thousands of angels in a joyful gathering.
Berean Literal Bible
But you have come to Mount Zion, and the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels,


The New Jerusalem comes down from heaven
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

You are free to believe whatever you want.

 

[ewq1938]

Read those verses again! It very clearly says ---
New Living Translation
No, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to countless thousands of angels in a joyful gathering.
Berean Literal Bible
But you have come to Mount Zion, and the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels,

It still doesn't say heavenly Mt Zion does it? There is one Mt Zion and it is on the Earth near Jerusalem.

 

[mmksparbud]

It still doesn't say heavenly Mt Zion does it? There is one Mt Zion and it is on the Earth near Jerusalem.

Really----you have come to Mt. Zion, to the city of the living God the heavenly Jerusalem---that doesn't say to you that it is saying Zion is in the heavenly city? Then there is nothing more I can say! It just can't get any clearer you are refusing to see it is all. But then---you don't have to see it. No one is holding a gun to you head---just scripture.

New Living Translation
No, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to countless thousands of angels in a joyful gathering.
Berean Literal Bible
But you have come to Mount Zion, and the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels,

 

[ewq1938]

Really----you have come to Mt. Zion, to the city of the living God the heavenly Jerusalem---that doesn't say to you that it is saying Zion is in the heavenly city? Then there is nothing more I can say! It just can't get any clearer you are refusing to see it is all. But then---you don't have to see it. No one is holding a gun to you head---just scripture.

New Living Translation
No, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to countless thousands of angels in a joyful gathering.
Berean Literal Bible
But you have come to Mount Zion, and the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels,

The heavenly Jerusalem will descend and be near Mt Zion like the current city is. Never is Mt Zion in heaven. Revelation 14 shows Christ on the Earth where he not only spends the thousand years but all of eternity.

 

[mmksparbud]

The heavenly Jerusalem will descend and be near Mt Zion like the current city is. Never is Mt Zion in heaven. Revelation 14 shows Christ on the Earth where he not only spends the thousand years but all of eternity.

OK---but that's obviously not what scripture says. Kinda hard for a Holy and pure God to live a 1000 years in a place like this until He then decides to make the earth new and have the heavenly Jerusalem come down.


2Pe_3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe_3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

 

[ewq1938]

Kinda hard for a Holy and pure God to live a 1000 years in a place like this until He then decides to make the earth new and have the heavenly Jerusalem come down.

Was it also kinda hard for God to have been born and killed here?

 

[mmksparbud]

Was it also kinda hard for God to have been born and killed here?

That is what He determined to do before the foundation of the world, it is what He was born to do---what is the reason to live in a burned up, destroyed world for 1000 years and then to make it new?

 

[ewq1938]

That is what He determined to do before the foundation of the world, it is what He was born to do---what is the reason to live in a burned up, destroyed world for 1000 years and then to make it new?

The world is not destroyed during or before the thousand years. Remember all those people at the end of the thousand years that Satan goes to deceive? They couldn't have lived if the world was destroyed.

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Remember that there is a camp of the saints where the saints lived during the thousand years?

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

That's a lot of people you say don't exist on the Earth.