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What do you think about the two cherubim on the Ark of the Covenant? Loophole?

We also have to understand that murder is a sin and yet God commanded the Israelite to take life. When that was the case in God commanding to take life in the OT, it was not murder. But if the Israelite just decided to take life on his own, then it would be murder.

Obviously we do not have an Ark anymore, and there is no command for us to make any divine images. In fact, the Bible warns against making graven images and statues whereby one would bow down to them. The Ark was not a statue they made on their own without God's orders. It also was not something they venerated as another deity or as a means to contact some other deity.
 
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Have it your way. As an ex-Protestant, I can tell you that what you think about the Catholic Church, and probably the Orthodox Church, is a load of garbage.

Well, I am not Protestant. In fact, I am also against Protestantism in the fact that they hold to Belief Alone Salvationism (Which by default leads to the mindset that one can sin and still be saved on some level). I am just a non-denominational Trinitarian Bible Alone God fearing Christian. So it's not like you ever had the same view as me on the issue of idolatry. Just read again Leviticus 26:1 very slowly. It makes it clear that we are not to have statues (Whereby they are like idols of old) and to bow down to them. We see the problem of idols in the Bible were generally statues and they bowed down to them and kissed them. Yet, this is what the Catholic church does and they try to redefine idolatry in the Bible. We are also told to call no man our father, and yet Catholics again disobey this truth in Scripture. For me: I do not want to be anywhere close to what could be condemned in the Bible.
 
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You're non-denominational so you're Protestant.

I also told you that I reject Protestantism because their view of Soteriology is false. So no. I am not a Protestant. My denomination is not centered around Martin Luther and his protest of the Catholic church. While I am not in agreement with the Catholic church, I am also not in agreement with Martin Luther, either. I just believe the Bible.
 
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Recent incident of a chunk of asphalt knocked up by lighting hits the windshielf of a pickup truck.


Lightning can even strike moving cars, too.

 
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You ignore history. Neither your church nor mine were around with the Council decided what texts were to be included in the Bible. It was the Catholic church as it existed at the time. It seems rather illogical that the Catholic Church would canonize scripture that made itself "non-Biblical."

I grow rather tired of Christian groups bashing each other on Christian Forums, but persist if you must.

The Bible was canonized before the RCC started instituting extrabiblical doctrines, methodology and traditions.

The veneration of Mary started in the 4th century. Lighting candles for the dead started in the 4th-5th century. Cardinals came about in the 8th century. Holy water started in the 9th century. Vernation of saints started in the 10th century. Confessing to a priest started in the 11th century. Calling a priest "Father" started sometime in the late Middle Ages. The belief in the transubstantiation of the Eucharist started in the 12th century. Roseries started in the 13th century. That's just the few things I know of off the top of my head and looked up.
 
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I also told you that I reject Protestantism because their view of Soteriology is false. So no. I am not a Protestant. My denomination is not centered around Martin Luther and his protest of the Catholic church. While I am not in agreement with the Catholic church, I am also not in agreement with Martin Luther, either. I just believe the Bible.

As I recall you consider practically all views of Soteriology false. Or put another way, in the last 2000 years you're one of the few who's ever had a correct view of Soteriology. I suppose that's possible, but it's also highly unlikely.
 
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The Bible was canonized before the RCC started instituting extrabiblical doctrines, methodology and traditions.

The veneration of Mary started in the 4th century. Lighting candles for the dead started in the 4th-5th century. Cardinals came about in the 8th century. Holy water started in the 9th century. Vernation of saints started in the 10th century. Confessing to a priest started in the 11th century. Calling a priest "Father" started sometime in the late Middle Ages. The belief in the transubstantiation of the Eucharist started in the 12th century. Roseries started in the 13th century. That's just the few things I know of off the top of my head and looked up.

You have picked up a lot of false information about the Catholic Church. For example, confession to a priest DID NOT start in the 11th century. Here are some historical quotations:

"Just as a man is enlightened by the Holy Spirit when he is baptized by a priest, so he who confesses his sins with a repentant heart obtains their remission from the priest." – Saint Athanasius of Alexandria (d. 180)

In addition to these kinds of forgiveness of sins, albeit hard and laborious: the remission of sins through penance…when he [the sinner] does not shrink from declaring his sin to a priest of the Lord and from seeking medicine. – Origen (A.D. 244)

It seemed likewise impossible for sins to be forgiven through penance; yet Christ granted even this to his Apostles, and by His Apostles it has been transmitted to the offices of priest. – Saint Ambrose (d. 397)

Priests have received a power which God has given neither to angels nor to archangels. It was said to them: “Whatsoever you shall bind upon earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose, shall be loosed” [Matt 18:18]. Temporal rulers have indeed the power of binding; but they can bind only the body. Priests, however, can bind with a bond which pertains to the soul itself, and transcends the very heavens…Whatever priests do here on earth, God will confirm in heaven, just as the master ratifies the decision of his servants. Did He not give them all the powers of heaven? – Saint John Chrysostom (d. 407)

Just as in the Old Testament the priest makes the leper clean or unclean, so in the New Testament the bishop and presbyter [i.e. priest] binds or looses not those who are innocent or guilty, but by reason of their office, when they have heard various kinds of sins, they know who is to be bound and who loosed. – Saint Jerome (d. 420)
 
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Just so that all may know. I am not ignorant that lightning strikes occur more often in the summer months (July and August). My point of this thread was that the lightning strikes fit into the category of going outside the norm involving lightning strikes. It is not normal for a lightning to strike golf balls flying through the air. It's not normal for lightning strikes to destroy the a painting of a man on a brick wall who is being idolized in this country. Yes, what has happened to him is tragic, but we should not make him into a god or idolize him. It is not normal that the death rate is at the highest it has ever been in India by lightning strikes. If one were to read the article it said the death rate was unusually high. So we are not talking about your average run of the mill lightning strikes that ramp up more in the summer months. We are talking about the odd and unusual facts involving lightning strikes. I consider these to be acts of God because of what Scripture says.
 
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Some are critical to my view of Soteriology in that it is too narrow. But I am only reading and believing what the Bible teaches and I am actually against adding traditions or outside ideas to the Bible. I am for reading the Bible plainly. In fact, Jesus said, “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:14). “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” (Luke 13:24).
 
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To all:

Just so that all may know. I am not ignorant that lightning strikes occur more often in the summer months (July and August). My point of this thread was that the lightning strikes fit into the category of going outside the norm involving lightning strikes. It is not normal for a lightning to strike golf balls flying through the air. It's not normal for lightning strikes to destroy the a painting of a man on a brick wall who is being idolized in this country. Yes, what has happened to him is tragic, but we should not make him into a god or idolize him. It is not normal that the death rate is at the highest it has ever been in India by lightning strikes. If one were to read the article it said the death rate was unusually high. So we are not talking about your average run of the mill lightning strikes that ramp up more in the summer months. We are talking about the odd and unusual facts involving lightning strikes. I consider these to be acts of God because of what Scripture says.

"Going outside the norm of lighting strikes". Is that based on your knowledge of fulminology?
 
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Some are critical to my view of Soteriology in that it is too narrow. But I am only reading and believing what the Bible teaches and I am actually against adding traditions or outside ideas to the Bible. I am for reading the Bible plainly. In fact, Jesus said, “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:14). “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” (Luke 13:24).

I seem to read those verses a lot from those on the fringe of soteriology, like SDAs.
 
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Some folks appear to attack thread topics and or the user's beliefs as if they are soley their own. Let them speak and let them criticize; However, the Lord knows the truth of how things really are according to His Word. The Lord knows my life and He the secret things of other men that are not right. But just so that our readers may know, I am strongly against SDA beliefs (Seventh Day Adventists) in the fact that many of them appear to teach that the Saturday Sabbath is still binding for the believer and in the fact that they believe Ellen White was a true prophetess in though her prophecies were proven to be false.

As for lightning strikes and this thread: One can do a study on lightning and see if the occurences I brought up go outside the norm of your every day average lightning strike. The internet is at a person's disposal. I am merely mentioning such a topic because I know that sometimes God likes to get our attention with the odd and unsual. I find it a fascinating topic because God wants us to seek Him and He does things sometimes in nature to get us to recognize Him and only Him (So that He is the #1 priority of our lives).

Anyways, let my attackers be blessed and may they find peace in the Lord Jesus Christ (even if I disagree with their beliefs and the way they use their words here on the forums).
 
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To all:

Some folks appear to attack thread topics and or the user's beliefs as if they are soley their own. Let them speak and let them criticize; However, the Lord knows the truth of how things really are according to His Word. The Lord knows my life and my the truth of how things are. But just so that our readers may know, I am strongly against SDA beliefs in the fact that many of them appear to teach that the Saturday Sabbath is still binding for the believer and in the fact that they believe Ellen White was a true prophetess in though her prophecies were proven to be false.

I brought up SDAs because regarding their extremely minority view, I've seen them quote “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:14). “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” (Luke 13:24). But I'd expect that from anyone who held a minority or singular view of soteriology.

As for lightning strikes and this thread: One can do a study on lightning and see if the occurences I brought up go outside the norm of your every day average lightning strike. The internet is at a person's disposal. I am merely mentioning such a topic because I know that sometimes God likes to get our attention with the odd and unsual. I find it a fascinating topic because God wants us to seek Him and He does things sometimes in nature to get us to recognize Him and only Him (So that He is the #1 priority of our lives).

Yes, one can do a study on lighting. But the question is have you done a study on lightning, or are you giving an uninformed opinion about it?

Anyways, let my attackers be blessed and may they find peace in the Lord Jesus Christ (even if I disagree with their beliefs and the words they use on the forums).

So when you disagree their beliefs and the words they use on the forums, would you call that an attack? Or do you only consider it an attack when you're on the receiving end?
 
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Folks should know that guilt by association is not always true. Catholics believe in the Trinity, that does not invalidate the truth of the Trinity just because they happen to believe in it.

As for disagreements on the topics of sin and salvation: There is a right way and a wrong way to discuss these things. Generally a person who is seeking to do the right thing makes a case biblically if they disagree and they don't try to make it personal as if I am the only one who believes the way I do. I strive to attack the wrong belief in general and I don't try to make it about the individual (as if they are the only one to believe the way they do). Even if this was the case, the focus should be on discussing the Scriptures in love and respect and not in tearing each other down.

As for the discussion of lightning and being a lightning expert: One does not need to be a lightning specialist to do a Google search and research the common occurences and uncommon occurences of lightning. Also, if one who criticizes my topic of lightning, and yet they quote from articles themselves, should they not hold themselves to their own standard and be an expert in the field from articles they quote from (if that is what they demand of me)?

Anyways, this thread is not about me. We should uplift Christ Jesus. So I would encourage people to focus the topic on the things involving God and His Holy Word.

May you all be blessed in the Lord.

With loving kindness to you all in Christ.

Sincerely,

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To all:

Folks should know that guilt by association is not always true. Catholics believe in the Trinity, that does not invalidate the truth of the Trinity just because they happen to believe in it.

As for disagreements on the topics of sin and salvation: There is a right way and a wrong way to discuss these things. Generally a person who is seeking to do the right thing makes a case biblically if they disagree and they don't try to make it personal as if I am the only one who believes the way I do. I strive to attack the wrong belief in general and I don't try to make it about the individual (as if they are the only one to believe the way they do). Even if this was the case, the focus should be on discussing the Scriptures in love and respect and not in tearing each other down.

As for the discussion of lightning and being a lightning expert: One does not need to be a lightning specialist to do a Google search and research the common occurences and uncommon occurences of lightning. Also, if one who criticizes my topic of lightning, and yet they quote from articles themselves, should they not hold themselves to their own standard and be an expert in the field from articles they quote from (if that is what they demand of me)?

Anyways, this thread is not about me. We should uplift Christ Jesus. So I would encourage people to focus the topic on the things involving God and His Holy Word.

May you all be blessed in the Lord.

With loving kindness to you all in Christ.

Sincerely,

BL. Highlighter.

Is this what's to be expected anytime someone questions your knowledge or statements or disagrees with you? BTW, what's "BL" stand for?
 
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