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[PaladinValer]

Oh, I should listen to them?!!

If you want to call yourself Protestant, you do need to qualify for such a title so, yes, you do need to learn what Protestantism is instead of basing your information of false ideas not applicable to its founders.

Oh, and read Hus as well.

 

[dana b]

If you want to call yourself Protestant, you do need to qualify for such a title so, yes, you do need to learn what Protestantism is instead of basing your information of false ideas not applicable to its founders.

Oh, and read Hus as well.

Never! I would much rather follow Jer.31;31 and Heb.8;10 and be a true Christian of Jesus's covenant. Jesus told the scribes and pharesies where they lead to. I believe the Bible and so did the Protestants of the great Reformation of Europe! Scribes have underwritten in their ideas.

 

[dana b]

His darkness becomes light to those who see.

Very thoughtful of you.

 

[PaladinValer]

Never! I would much rather follow Jer.31;31 and Heb.8;10 and be a true Christian of Jesus's covenant. Jesus told the scribes and pharesies where they lead to. I believe the Bible and so did the Protestants of the great Reformation of Europe! Scribes have underwritten in their ideas.

Quote me one of those Protestants...try me. Tell you what, let's invite some of the Lutherans in the Lutheran forum here, the Methodists in the Methodist forum here, and the Presbyterians in the Presbyterian forum here what they think.

...this should prove interesting.

 

[dana b]

Quote me one of those Protestants...try me. Tell you what, let's invite some of the Lutherans in the Lutheran forum here, the Methodists in the Methodist forum here, and the Presbyterians in the Presbyterian forum here what they think.

...this should prove interesting.

OK, but only as long as nobody starts telling any body else about what to believe or what Christianity means. If brother still tells brother stuff then these brothers have not yet experienced the Protestant Reformation. The ones who still teach and preach are still hungup in the Orthodox/Catholic christian form. But the Protestant Reformation set the Northern Europeans free to meet the Lord and read his Bible themselves.

It's kind of like those Reformed Christian Churches were "born again." People and their churches both born again!

 

[PaladinValer]

OK, but only as long as nobody starts telling any body else about what to believe or what Christianity means. If brother still tells brother stuff then these brothers have not yet experienced the Protestant Reformation.

You still don't get it...

...the problem is, NONE OF THE 1ST GENERATION OR TRADITIONAL PROTESTANTS TAUGHT YOUR VIEWS!

It is PRECISELY that if they DISAGREE with you, it shall PROVE that I am RIGHT that you ARE NOT A PROTESTANT and are WRONG ABOUT WHAT PROTESTANTISM TEACHES

Read the primary sources! Read Luther! Read Hus! Read Calvin! Read Wesley (though he never was a Protestant, his ideas formulated Methodism)! If they DISAGREE with you and THEY are the FATHERS OF PROTESTANTISM then you ARE WRONG!

Good grief...

 

[dana b]

You still don't get it...

...the problem is, NONE OF THE 1ST GENERATION OR TRADITIONAL PROTESTANTS TAUGHT YOUR VIEWS!

It is PRECISELY that if they DISAGREE with you, it shall PROVE that I am RIGHT that you ARE NOT A PROTESTANT and are WRONG ABOUT WHAT PROTESTANTISM TEACHES

Read the primary sources! Read Luther! Read Hus! Read Calvin! Read Wesley (though he never was a Protestant, his ideas formulated Methodism)! If they DISAGREE with you and THEY are the FATHERS OF PROTESTANTISM then you ARE WRONG!

Good grief...

But Protestant Christianity is the end of the line, it is Jer.31;31. It doesn't matter who tried to teach what and when. If they tried to teach then they were wrong, they were heritics. With the Protestant Reformation the time of one man teaching another was concluded. "Brother would not teach brother" any more because Jeremiah's forecast says they wouldn't.

 

[PaladinValer]

But Protestant Christianity is the end of the line, it is Jer.31;31. It doesn't matter who tried to teach what and when. If they tried to teach then they were wrong, they were heritics. With the Protestant Reformation the time of one man teaching another was concluded. "Brother would not teach brother" any more because Jeremiah's forecast says they wouldn't.

No...

Protestantism doesn't teach what you say it does...it does not teach that every person can read the Bible and be always right in its interpretation. That was not the believe of Hus, Luther, Wesley, or Calvin. Each one of them rejected that, and since these are the founders of Protestantism, then you cannot logically call yourself one.

This is why solo scriptura is dangerous and considered erroneous by all traditional and mainline Protestants, Lutherans, and all Apostolics like we Anglicans, the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox, and the Vatican Catholics, All of us agree on this. Your brand of Biblical interpretation is not found at all.

 

[dana b]

No...

Protestantism doesn't teach what you say it does...it does not teach that every person can read the Bible and be always right in its interpretation. That was not the believe of Hus, Luther, Wesley, or Calvin. Each one of them rejected that, and since these are the founders of Protestantism, then you cannot logically call yourself one.

This is why solo scriptura is dangerous and considered erroneous by all traditional and mainline Protestants, Lutherans, and all Apostolics like we Anglicans, the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox, and the Vatican Catholics, All of us agree on this. Your brand of Biblical interpretation is not found at all.

This is why following others as a Christian is dangerous, you fully miss the point of the whole exersize of humanity. First we were offered and presented with the Law outward, the law of Moses written in stone. It is strict and unflexable and obeyed from outside of ourselves. That was the first Covenant.

Jesus brought the beginning of the New Covenant which is none other than the forecast of Jer.31;31 brought to fruition. In this form of govenment the law was followed from each man's personal conscience. Now the Christians began to follow their conscience. The world "conscience" is not found in the Old Testament Bible but is written in the New Testement 31 times. This is the same number as the number of verses that it took God to create the world in Genesis Creation.

The Protestant Reformation is the seeds being released from the safety of the church/fruit apon rippening. Now we the christian people/seeds are out on our own. Notice the churches have mostly become abandoned, and the ones who do mostly stay turn out to be child molesters and opportunists/rot, mould, overrippening

The world's history is correspondent with God's seven days of Genesis. This is why Peter told us that "a day with God is as a thousand years." We can see the parallel correspondence between our past 6000 years of history and the six days it took God to create the world.

It began from Adam in Mesopotamia in about 4000BC. So in 1500AD it corresponded to the second half of the Genesis 6th day. During the second half of the 6th day of Genesis Mankind was created. During the first half of the 6th day animals were created. Hence that time period corresponds to what have been called in history the "Dark Ages." Our history from Adam is described in the Genesis Creation Story symbolically.

The Christian Reformation corresponds to these things and is therefore not a group action with people to follow or lead. It is totally non-confomist. Those who stood out as leaders were actually betrayers of the faith. It is the individual souls of men matured after 2000 years of Christian culture."Times of Gentiles" Lk.21;24 That is why I have been so insisting on the Reformation as being the spritual awakening inside some people. The Pieists, the Quakers and the Douchobors were of the regenerated Christian tribe of Naphtali. Jesus said that in the regeneration there would be twelve thrones. These are Christian thrones being mounted just now under the flag of 12 stars. Rev.12;1

 

[dana b]

 

[dana b]

 

[dana b]

 

[PaladinValer]

This is why following others as a Christian is dangerous, you fully miss the point of the whole exersize of humanity. First we were offered and presented with the Law outward, the law of Moses written in stone. It is strict and unflexable and obeyed from outside of ourselves. That was the first Covenant.

Jesus brought the beginning of the New Covenant which is none other than the forecast of Jer.31;31 brought to fruition. In this form of govenment the law was followed from each man's personal conscience. Now the Christians began to follow their conscience. The world "conscience" is not found in the Old Testament Bible but is written in the New Testement 31 times. This is the same number as the number of verses that it took God to create the world in Genesis Creation.

The Protestant Reformation is the seeds being released from the safety of the church/fruit apon rippening. Now we the christian people/seeds are out on our own. Notice the churches have mostly become abandoned, and the ones who do mostly stay turn out to be child molesters and opportunists/rot, mould, overrippening

The world's history is correspondent with God's seven days of Genesis. This is why Peter told us that "a day with God is as a thousand years." We can see the parallel correspondence between our past 6000 years of history and the six days it took God to create the world.

It began from Adam in Mesopotamia in about 4000BC. So in 1500AD it corresponded to the second half of the Genesis 6th day. During the second half of the 6th day of Genesis Mankind was created. During the first half of the 6th day animals were created. Hence that time period corresponds to what have been called in history the "Dark Ages." Our history from Adam is described in the Genesis Creation Story symbolically.

The Christian Reformation corresponds to these things and is therefore not a group action with people to follow or lead. It is totally non-confomist. Those who stood out as leaders were actually betrayers of the faith. It is the individual souls of men matured after 2000 years of Christian culture."Times of Gentiles" Lk.21;24 That is why I have been so insisting on the Reformation as being the spritual awakening inside some people. The Pieists, the Quakers and the Douchobors were of the regenerated Christian tribe of Naphtali. Jesus said that in the regeneration there would be twelve thrones. These are Christian thrones being mounted just now under the flag of 12 stars. Rev.12;1

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I give up. No convincing you of this ridiculous, unhistoric, and completely unscholarly error. I may disagree with Protestantism, but at the very least I disagree with what it actually teaches.

Any Lutherans, Moravians, Methodists, or Presbyterians who'd like to give a stab? Although somehow I doubt your founding documented beliefs like the Concordia or the Institutes will matter, despite them being arguably the most important primary sources one can find...

 

[dana b]

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I give up. No convincing you of this ridiculous, unhistoric, and completely unscholarly error. I may disagree with Protestantism, but at the very least I disagree with what it actually teaches.

Any Lutherans, Moravians, Methodists, or Presbyterians who'd like to give a stab? Although somehow I doubt your founding documented beliefs like the Concordia or the Institutes will matter, despite them being arguably the most important primary sources one can find...

Well, at least we each had our say, no harm done no feelings hurt. We didn't attack each other, no moderators called. I'd say even though we came to no agreement so far, that it was still a civil discussion. I'm still totally convinced in the start of the Christian Millennium which began in 2000AD. Rev.20,4,6 Matt.19;28 Hos.6;2

In www.christianidentityrevealed2012.com the political phenomena of European Christian Israel is shown to have begun in the year 2000AD.