Threatening??

thegospelisgoodnews · May 22, 2011

awitch said:
I am a pagan and/or witch, but I am not Wiccan and definitely not New Ager.

Yes paganism is a very broad term much like christianity there are thousands of sect, denominations, and cults that consider themselves christian. in the same way there are thousands of different forms of paganism

awitch · May 22, 2011

thegospelisoffensive said:
Yes paganism is a very broad term much like christianity there are thousands of sect, denominations, and cults that consider themselves christian. in the same way there are thousands of different forms of paganism

But you're still not willing to share some details of your past experience with it?

SithDoughnut · May 22, 2011

awitch said:
But you're still not willing to share some details of your past experience with it?

I used to be a witch; I read Harry Potter.

Gardenia · May 22, 2011

thegospelisoffensive said:
I would have gone to your home turf, A pagan website, which makes me wonder why your here, maybe your here to proselytize paganism to Christians?.....that theory makes more sense.......but deep down I think you have found paganism empty and are searching for truth, and God has brought you here in search of it, Thats a good sign for you anyway

I find it interesting that you project your main (only?) reason for interacting with people of other faiths onto others. There are many non-Christians here for a variety of reasons (and there have been multiple threads on this topic in the past) - but since proselytization by non-Christians is banned here, it would seem a silly reason to stick around, no?
(And since you were a pagan, surly you know proselytization isn't something the majority of pagans do anyway... And that all witches aren't Wiccan, right...?)

While I can't speak for awitch personally... If I'm here because I find truth in Christianity, then I must also find truth in Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, and atheism. Or maybe I just enjoy leaning about other people's faiths/ philosophies/ world views...

This actually goes back to what I posted earlier - offended by Christianity? No. Offended by the attitudes and actions of some Christians - such as having assumptions made about me/my motives - which you are doing to another here... yeah, that can be offensive.

Oh, and as someone who was a Wiccan for several years...

thegospelisoffensive said:
curiousity killed the cat, let me just say how connected are you to the Kalderasha, the ones who run Wicca, how much do you dare to reveal before your afriad....lol

Uh, what now? Sounds like gibberish to me...

sanjaya1984 · May 22, 2011

thegospelisoffensive said:
I wouldn't think so since you appear to have the faith of Judism...

I'm curious as to your opinion of non-Abrahamic theists (including myself). I notice that many Christians seem to be under the impression that anyone outside of their faith is effectively a (God-hating) atheist, and I'm wondering how prevalent this view is.

thegospelisgoodnews · May 23, 2011

awitch said:
But you're still not willing to share some details of your past experience with it?

I really don't see the point! I don't like the old me, and I really don't care to think about the details of my practices, but I'll tell you one thing the symbols and symbolisms are tags, just as gang members tag their territory, spirits tag those who they are leading, You may have no idea why you are drawn to certain symbols, Its a leading of the spirit inside you. The same symbols in Paganism, are found in Wicca, satanism, masonic order, illuminatti, each sect or religion my have a different story or interpretation for the symbol, mostly a benign harmless meaning, but there is a deeper darker reason they want you to wear it or have it. This may sound pretty crazy if you are unaware of what is going on in the spirit realm, which spirits are good and which ones want to lead you down a long dark maze that most never find their way out of, then what I am saying probably sounds like giberish. When everything is all said and done, If you were to see who is in leadership of each and every religion, sect, cult, order, there is only two satan and Jesus, while they all are being lead by angels and demons, As a Christian we see this very plainly in Mathew 4 as satan tempts Jesus by offering Him all the kingdoms of this world, (these are spiritual kingdoms) Just as Christianity is a spiritual religion, it is manifasted in millions of people, So when we look at satan showing Jesus all the spiritual kingdoms he has created many much older than Christianity, we can be sure the ones satan created will not lead a person to inherit eternal life. satan doesn't care if his created false kingdoms don't acknowledge him as God, he has only one agenda and that is to lead people away from the truth, even by using 90% truth followed by his 10% of a lie. he is far more cunning, and deceptive than any human, he knows how to play on peoples weaknesses, their hurts, their let downs he's been at it for a long long time since he was booted out of heaven, he's now trapped here on earth waiting for Gods judgement which isn't far off these days

awitch · May 23, 2011

thegospelisoffensive said:
I really don't see the point!

Because your testimony about being a pagan is dubious. Playing with a Ouija board or chanting "Light as a feather, stiff as a board" do not make one a pagan.

You were unaware of the witch/Wiccan differences and said that you hated the Biblical god, which is an odd thing for a person who is not likely to recognize said god's existence in the first place.

Also, you can't seem to provide any detail at all about your tradition or practices.

I make a big deal out of this because this is a typical tactic for proselytizing and a horrible misrepresentation of our traditions. I would hate to think you had to embellish or lie to make your testimony sound more impressive. That would dent the reputation of any future Christian who tried to provide a testimony.

but I'll tell you one thing the symbols and symbolisms are tags, just as gang members tag their territory, spirits tag those who they are leading, You may have no idea why you are drawn to certain symbols, Its a leading of the spirit inside you.

I am unfamiliar with gangs and unfamiliar with "spirit tags". I am not drawn to symbols. Are you implying I am possessed?

. This may sound pretty crazy

Sure does.

he's now trapped here on earth waiting for Gods judgement which isn't far off these days

People have been saying that for the last 2000 years.

thegospelisgoodnews · May 23, 2011

sanjaya1984 said:
I'm curious as to your opinion of non-Abrahamic theists (including myself). I notice that many Christians seem to be under the impression that anyone outside of their faith is effectively a (God-hating) atheist, and I'm wondering how prevalent this view is.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, and in the entire Christian world you would probably get as many different replys as there are flavors, but in hinduism while it claims there is no founder I assure you there is, but lets get to the end of the Hindu life "Nirvana" a place where your freed from all desire. If you have no desires whether good or bad, its really a definition of being in a coma like state, what kind of life is that? In the Christian eternal life there is a purpose for each and everyone person in the after life, we still have our faculties, our personalities, our desires to converse and to be loved as each human needs to be needed its in our DNA

thegospelisgoodnews · May 23, 2011

awitch said:
Because your testimony about being a pagan is dubious. Playing with a Ouija board or chanting "Light as a feather, stiff as a board" do not make one a pagan.

You were unaware of the witch/Wiccan differences and said that you hated the Biblical god, which is an odd thing for a person who is not likely to recognize said god's existence in the first place.

Also, you can't seem to provide any detail at all about your tradition or practices.

I make a big deal out of this because this is a typical tactic for proselytizing and a horrible misrepresentation of our traditions. I would hate to think you had to embellish or lie to make your testimony sound more impressive. That would dent the reputation of any future Christian who tried to provide a testimony.

I am unfamiliar with gangs and unfamiliar with "spirit tags". I am not drawn to symbols. Are you implying I am possessed?

Sure does.

People have been saying that for the last 2000 years.

you have alot of questions, and since your really trying to pin me down on who I was associated with, for the fact that a group of pagans attempted to kill me, (obviously your not familiar with all pagan varieties as you think you are) I would rather remain mute on the subject, you can denote this respones in any matter you wish, it doesn't change the truth. I know more about paganism and witchcraft than I ever really wanted to know. The only point I'm making is if you were to follow its leadership all the way to the top you would find Lucifer is the ranking king over all of these kingdoms that don't reconize Jesus as the Son of God. also if you say you don't use any symbols in your practice you are not a pagan

awitch · May 23, 2011

thegospelisoffensive said:
you have alot of questions, and since your really trying to pin me down on who I was associated with, for the fact that a group of pagans attempted to kill me, (obviously your not familiar with all pagan varieties as you think you are) I would rather remain mute on the subject, you can denote this respones in any matter you wish, it doesn't change the truth. I know more about paganism and witchcraft than I ever really wanted to know. The only point I'm making is if you were to follow its leadership all the way to the top you would find Lucifer is the ranking king over all of these kingdoms that don't reconize Jesus as the Son of God. also if you say you don't use any symbols in your practice you are not a pagan

Pagans tried to kill you? Well I hope you filed a police report and had them charged with attempted murder.

I use symbols, but I am not drawn to them.

b&wpac7 · May 23, 2011

awitch said:
Pagans tried to kill you? Well I hope you filed a police report and had them charged with attempted murder.

I use symbols, but I am not drawn to them.

I, like you, am usually put off by someone being deliberately evasive. These kinds of post seem very bizarre almost as if the person believes some sort of Pagan Mafia is watching CF just waiting to see him post something and then come beat him up/kill him. This strikes of a lot of paranoia and fear.

It really is a bad attempt if someone were to desire to bring someone to Christianity.

sanjaya1984 · May 23, 2011

thegospelisoffensive said:
I can't speak for anyone but myself, and in the entire Christian world you would probably get as many different replys as there are flavors, but in hinduism while it claims there is no founder I assure you there is,

I assume you mean to imply that Hinduism was founded by Satan. Why not just say this directly? I notice many Christians like to thinly veil the more offensive doctrines of their religion, and I have to wonder why. Most Hindus would say that God is the founder of our religion (and a few would say that demons are responsible for founding Christianity), but I digress.

thegospelisoffensive said:
but lets get to the end of the Hindu life "Nirvana" a place where your freed from all desire. If you have no desires whether good or bad, its really a definition of being in a coma like state, what kind of life is that? In the Christian eternal life there is a purpose for each and everyone person in the after life, we still have our faculties, our personalities, our desires to converse and to be loved as each human needs to be needed its in our DNA

This isn't a particularly accurate description of general Hindu thought; it sounds more like something out of a Christian apologetics text in the "how to convert Hindus" section. The Hindu view of the afterlife only precludes desires that draw one away from God. For better or worse, this is actually quite similar to the Christian view. So you see that there's no need for me to convert.

In any case, my question was more aimed at addressing the Christian view of non-Abrahamic theists, specifically your perception that we have some sort of antipathy towards God. I notice that most Christian apologetic materials invite people into a relationship with God. This isn't very relevant to me, since I already believe in God (and the few apologetic materials I find on Hinduism contain patently false information). Not that I want Christians to be successful at converting Hindus, indeed I do not. But it seems to me that many Christians are out to convert us because they believe we are, for all intents and purposes, atheists who do not believe in a supreme God. Perhaps if you understood that we do have such a belief, you would not be so intent on compelling us to become Christians.

Tariki · May 23, 2011

thegospelisoffensive said:
I can't speak for anyone but myself, and in the entire Christian world you would probably get as many different replys as there are flavors, but in hinduism while it claims there is no founder I assure you there is, but lets get to the end of the Hindu life "Nirvana" a place where your freed from all desire. If you have no desires whether good or bad, its really a definition of being in a coma like state, what kind of life is that? In the Christian eternal life there is a purpose for each and everyone person in the after life, we still have our faculties, our personalities, our desires to converse and to be loved as each human needs to be needed its in our DNA

You give yourself a name, the gospel is offensive. It can be.

ARE you claiming that the founder of the Hindu Faith is in fact Satan, as another here has claimed? Please say so, it will not be found offensive.

You demonstrate no knowledge of nirvana, nor of your own (Christian) mystical tradition, nor of a deeper Christian understanding found in much Catholic monasticism.

Nirvana is more seen as the extinction of greed, hatred and delusion, these three in all there various manifestations within each human being. When these three poisons are extinguished, that which is true, real, eternal is revealed.

Within the Christian mystical tradition, the whole idea of "desire" would be associated with the willingness to submit totally to the will of God, rather than wishing only the fulfilment of one's own limited perspectives, willing, and imaginings. This would lead to the reality of Eckharts words......"They can truly enjoy the feast who would just as willingly fast."

I will not indulge myself by quoting at length from the Catholic Trappist monk Thomas Merton, but there is much in his writings that show the profound link between Buddhist (and by extension, Hindu) ideas and the Christian tradition, and this without him betraying his own fidelity to the mercy of God or the love of Christ. All that appears needed is a heart that opens to grace, rather than closes in upon its own "works".

I personally find it sad that you seem unable to see such unifying trends, but apparently prefer instead to relate only to an apparent "narrow" way that justifies yourself and any who think like you, salvation set by the parameters of your own mind and understanding, implying that all other faiths are totally excluded from "divine favour".

So be it. Your choice.

sanjaya1984 · May 23, 2011

Tariki said:
ARE you claiming that the founder of the Hindu Faith is in fact Satan, as another here has claimed? Please say so, it will not be found offensive.

I can certainly second this. I'm not offended if someone honestly believes that I am going to hell for an eternity of punishment. I may wonder what I did to offend this person and incur such dislike, but I think that people are entitled to believe this if they like. Really all I ask is that Christians stop sending missionaries to go convert people elsewhere.

TerranceL · May 23, 2011

thegospelisoffensive said:
you have alot of questions, and since your really trying to pin me down on who I was associated with, for the fact that a group of pagans attempted to kill me, (obviously your not familiar with all pagan varieties as you think you are) I would rather remain mute on the subject, you can denote this respones in any matter you wish, it doesn't change the truth. I know more about paganism and witchcraft than I ever really wanted to know. The only point I'm making is if you were to follow its leadership all the way to the top you would find Lucifer is the ranking king over all of these kingdoms that don't reconize Jesus as the Son of God. also if you say you don't use any symbols in your practice you are not a pagan

You do realize that by changing your story and adding on to it every few posts all it does it make it look like you are making it as you go along right?

sidhe · May 23, 2011

thegospelisoffensive said:
curiousity killed the cat, let me just say how connected are you to the Kalderasha, the ones who run Wicca, how much do you dare to reveal before your afriad....lol

Time for me to break out my rarely used 2* Gardnerianess and call this one...

Kalderasha? What? Seriously?

There is no central organizational body for Wicca. None. Nothing. Nada. It's a mystery faith subject to regional and personal variance...even in the ultra-traditional form like I was in. Seriously, there's more of a central body for the Golden Dawn, and they barely even exist in an organized form. At least one can check against the Cicero/Regardie canon for adherence to basics. Given that the Wiccan BoS has several revisions and redactions, there's no basic form for comparison.

"Kalderasha" sounds like...silliness. They're Romani metalworkers, not some controlling body of Wicca. Maybe vaguely connected to stregha stregheri and the Leland strand of witchcraft? I don't know.

sidhe · May 23, 2011

Oh, and on topic, the only time I've ever been threatened by the "sharing of the Gospel" was when the "sharing" involved throwing the "Gospel" at my head. Metal covered Bible. I ducked.

Gardenia · May 23, 2011

TerranceL said:
You do realize that by changing your story and adding on to it every few posts all it does it make it look like you are making it as you go along right?

This would not be the first time a Christian has made the claim that they were once a pagan, yet can provide no details (length of time as a pagan, specific tradition they belonged to, details about the beliefs of that tradition, etc), and instead would rather evade questions and even try to shove focus on to some strange conspiracies instead - make it look like they have some hidden knowledge, that you're in big trouble and getting sucked into a super dangerous cult or whatever... and we're expected to just accept that?

And really, it's so fitting for this topic. This is a perfect example of offensive Christian tactics. Saying you were once like someone, but being totally unable to provide any real information about your testimony and unable to answer questions... being only able to make outrageous claims that you know must sound rather unbelievable - yet you can't provide any details or evidence? If someone spun a similar story about Christianity, would you swallow it no questions asked? I'm going to guess no, right...?

Booko · May 23, 2011

thegospelisoffensive said:
curiousity killed the cat, let me just say how connected are you to the Kalderasha, the ones who run Wicca, how much do you dare to reveal before your afriad....lol

Kalderasha?

Sounds more like Balderdash.

I have a neighbor who's Wiccan, several acquaintances in my town who are Wiccan, college chum and his sister who are Wiccan (and their families...and we will be visiting them this July) and I've been discussing religion online since the mid-80s...with Wiccans. I helped my daughter find research on Wicca for a paper, and read the materials because they seemed interesting.

And I have never, ever, read the term "Kalderasha" before.

Wicca is arguably one of the most not-organized religion I've run across.

I'd give more credence to the notion that the Illuminati are behind the Gnomes of Zurich who are controlling the global wealth in order to facilitate the creation of a despotic One World Government in preparation for the return of the Antichrist who will ultimately Rule Us All.

Now, if you will excuse me, it's been very hot here today and I have to wash my hair as my head got a little overheated from wearing my tinfoil hat to prevent the Orbital Mind Control Lasers from taking over my mind during this last pass of it's orbit which was this afternoon about tea time.

Booko · May 23, 2011

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I used to be a witch; I read Harry Potter.

Someone turned me into a newt once, but I got better.

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